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[tabnk]

WITH PRice DROPPing, it is sign. PRICE will raise 10X higher than NOW..  

[CHAOSiTEC]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

test lotterymining just to be sure

I will test and inform you

thank you :-)

I think your pool is still acceping fake diff shares;

Please check p2pool

-o stratum+tcp://uswest02.mine.nu:7903 -u Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp -p 1

Sorry i didnt connect;

2014-03-13 15:01:21,898 WARNING proxy mining_proxy.main # Trying to connect to Stratum pool at uswest02.mine.nu:7093
Unhandled error in Deferred:
Unhandled Error
Traceback (most recent call last):
Failure: stratum.custom_exceptions.TransportException: SocketTransportClientFactory connection timed out

port is 7903

You need to fix your pool; All shares accepted

so stratum seems to either have a fundamental flaw, the way it handles, because p2p isnt build with the same software

[feeleep]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

test lotterymining just to be sure

I will test and inform you

thank you :-)

I think your pool is still acceping fake diff shares;

so its not just a diff1 problem then...

have you tested coinmine?

I'm getting lots of pm from pool owners to test their pool. Please send me stratum ip, port, workername and password. I can not register on all pools  

stratum+tcp://drk.coinmine.pl:6090 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p 1

some problems here;

2014-03-13 14:59:16,625 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:21,068 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,029 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [105ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,554 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:27,519 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:40,053 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:49,536 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:55,358 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0

this actually works as expected - even if miner receive work for diff 0 it can find a valid share - those are accepted, invalid shares have 'Share is above target'

[bitcoyim]

i will repeat again. DIFF1 is not generic it depends on the specific algorithm. it CANNOT be guessed. so until someone figures out what the diff should be for x11 you will still be exploitable

give me a scrypt pool ip, port, worker name and password. Lets we try

[chaeplin]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

test lotterymining just to be sure

I will test and inform you

thank you :-)

I think your pool is still acceping fake diff shares;

Please check p2pool

-o stratum+tcp://uswest02.mine.nu:7903 -u Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp -p 1

Sorry i didnt connect;

2014-03-13 15:01:21,898 WARNING proxy mining_proxy.main # Trying to connect to Stratum pool at uswest02.mine.nu:7093
Unhandled error in Deferred:
Unhandled Error
Traceback (most recent call last):
Failure: stratum.custom_exceptions.TransportException: SocketTransportClientFactory connection timed out

port is 7903

You need to fix your pool; All shares accepted

2014-03-13 13:08:01.844441 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:01.844708     Hash:   142e2a84f6e288d37e3890bdd118222d0a854d70ec8321ee20f9682015ca
2014-03-13 13:08:01.844853     Target: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
2014-03-13 13:08:01.893335 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:01.893513     Hash:   1d5fa1bbaf50acb1f8bc69da022619e97613a283453b93740a08a2d298b8
2014-03-13 13:08:01.893652     Target: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
2014-03-13 13:08:02.189877 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:02.190133     Hash:   1ddda9aaf0c06d90c8a93c63cc245389108943b60389b7ba9d69f9541cb1
2014-03-13 13:08:02.190275     Target: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
2014-03-13 13:08:03.554054 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:03.554299     Hash:   22288db382137562e83adc0d5e4de6d8b9d3a1982d3deb148a4c40fa3e3a
2014-03-13 13:08:03.554441     Target: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

This is p2pool log.

Yes a lot of spam log. share not accepted.

Thanks for your test.

[Madychoux]

You need to fix your pool; All shares accepted



so stratum seems to either have a fundamental flaw, the way it handles, because p2p isnt build with the same software

It's fucking important !

So P2Pool is compromised too, Damned !!!

[CHAOSiTEC]

i will repeat again. DIFF1 is not generic it depends on the specific algorithm. it CANNOT be guessed. so until someone figures out what the diff should be for x11 you will still be exploitable

give me a scrypt pool ip, port, worker name and password. Lets we try

scrypt:

mine.pool-x.eu:9000 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p x

[chaeplin]

You need to fix your pool; All shares accepted



so stratum seems to either have a fundamental flaw, the way it handles, because p2p isnt build with the same software

It's fucking important !

So P2Pool is compromised too, Damned !!!

NO!!

2014-03-13 13:07:20.260455 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:22.066996 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:22.637110 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:23.233666 New work for worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp! Difficulty: 0.000244 Share difficulty: 0.133715 (speed 552775.615000) Total block value: 21.005000 DRK including 5 transactions
2014-03-13 13:07:24.744026 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:24.916102 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:25.999432 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:26.004707 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:28.065059 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:28.779872 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:29.083577 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:29.749802 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:31.053325 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:34.862550 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:35.971043 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:37.211451 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:37.386508 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:38.760011 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:40.529582 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:41.722043 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:42.592623 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:43.076182 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:43.372365 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:46.063940 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:47.886224 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:49.552847 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:51.465185 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:51.603445 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:51.667987 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:51.761130 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:52.522071 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:52.698144 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:54.742377 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:58.165514 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:07:59.711687 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:01.844441 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:01.893335 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:02.189877 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:
2014-03-13 13:08:03.554054 Worker Xhw8EQDdK4ogGFre677vgh4RYkocLafQPp submitted share with hash > target:

All rejected.

[JGCMiner]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

test lotterymining just to be sure

I will test and inform you

thank you :-)

I think your pool is still acceping fake diff shares;

so its not just a diff1 problem then...

have you tested coinmine?

I'm getting lots of pm from pool owners to test their pool. Please send me stratum ip, port, workername and password. I can not register on all pools  

stratum+tcp://drk.coinmine.pl:6090 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p 1

some problems here;

2014-03-13 14:59:16,625 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:21,068 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,029 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [105ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,554 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:27,519 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:40,053 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:49,536 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:55,358 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0

this actually works as expected - even if miner receive work for diff 0 it can find a valid share - those are accepted, invalid shares have 'Share is above target'

Sorry for my ignorance here, but how can it be working as expected if the pool is accepting 0 diff shares?

[bitcoyim]

i will repeat again. DIFF1 is not generic it depends on the specific algorithm. it CANNOT be guessed. so until someone figures out what the diff should be for x11 you will still be exploitable

give me a scrypt pool ip, port, worker name and password. Lets we try

scrypt:

mine.pool-x.eu:9000 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p x

2014-03-13 15:20:07,335 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [77ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 15:20:23,699 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [76ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 20
2014-03-13 15:20:30,914 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [77ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 20

[CHAOSiTEC]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

test lotterymining just to be sure

I will test and inform you

thank you :-)

I think your pool is still acceping fake diff shares;

so its not just a diff1 problem then...

have you tested coinmine?

I'm getting lots of pm from pool owners to test their pool. Please send me stratum ip, port, workername and password. I can not register on all pools  

stratum+tcp://drk.coinmine.pl:6090 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p 1

some problems here;

2014-03-13 14:59:16,625 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:21,068 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,029 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [105ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:25,554 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:27,519 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:40,053 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [103ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0
2014-03-13 14:59:49,536 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [104ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 14:59:55,358 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [102ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 0

this actually works as expected - even if miner receive work for diff 0 it can find a valid share - those are accepted, invalid shares have 'Share is above target'

Sorry for my ignorance here, but how can it be working as expected if the pool is accepting 0 diff shares?

if we had access to hrt sources, and test with his, then we would be sure

i will repeat again. DIFF1 is not generic it depends on the specific algorithm. it CANNOT be guessed. so until someone figures out what the diff should be for x11 you will still be exploitable

give me a scrypt pool ip, port, worker name and password. Lets we try

scrypt:

mine.pool-x.eu:9000 -u FireWalkerX.1 -p x

2014-03-13 15:20:07,335 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [77ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' REJECTED: (-2, u'Share is above target', None)
2014-03-13 15:20:23,699 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [76ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 20
2014-03-13 15:20:30,914 INFO proxy stratum_listener.submit # [77ms] Share from 'FireWalkerX.1' accepted, diff 20

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

[coins101]

WITH PRice DROPPing, it is sign. PRICE will raise 10X higher than NOW..  

drk is on sale......

[bitcoyim]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

[feeleep]

Sorry for my ignorance here, but how can it be working as expected if the pool is accepting 0 diff shares?

it displays for you that you submitted share with diff 0 but in reality it was higher and stratum accepted it - all invalid shares with diff lower than expected were rejected

[chaeplin]

You need to fix your pool; All shares accepted



so stratum seems to either have a fundamental flaw, the way it handles, because p2p isnt build with the same software

It's fucking important !

So P2Pool is compromised too, Damned !!!

Code:

https://github.com/chaeplin/p2pool-drk/blob/master/p2pool/work.py#L398-L442


            
            if pow_hash <= share_info['bits'].target and header_hash not in received_header_hashes:
                last_txout_nonce = pack.IntType(8*self.COINBASE_NONCE_LENGTH).unpack(coinbase_nonce)
                share = get_share(header, last_txout_nonce)
                
                print 'GOT SHARE! %s %s prev %s age %.2fs%s' % (
                    user,
                    p2pool_data.format_hash(share.hash),
                    p2pool_data.format_hash(share.previous_hash),
                    time.time() - getwork_time,
                    ' DEAD ON ARRIVAL' if not on_time else '',
                )
                self.my_share_hashes.add(share.hash)
                if not on_time:
                    self.my_doa_share_hashes.add(share.hash)
                
                self.node.tracker.add(share)
                self.node.set_best_share()
                
                try:
                    if (pow_hash <= header['bits'].target or p2pool.DEBUG) and self.node.p2p_node is not None:
                        self.node.p2p_node.broadcast_share(share.hash)
                except:
                    log.err(None, 'Error forwarding block solution:')
                
                self.share_received.happened(bitcoin_data.target_to_average_attempts(share.target), not on_time, share.hash)
            
            if pow_hash > target:
                print 'Worker %s submitted share with hash > target:' % (user,)
                print '    Hash:   %56x' % (pow_hash,)
                print '    Target: %56x' % (target,)
            elif header_hash in received_header_hashes:
                print >>sys.stderr, 'Worker %s submitted share more than once!' % (user,)
            else:
                received_header_hashes.add(header_hash)
                
                self.pseudoshare_received.happened(bitcoin_data.target_to_average_attempts(target), not on_time, user)
                self.recent_shares_ts_work.append((time.time(), bitcoin_data.target_to_average_attempts(target)))
                while len(self.recent_shares_ts_work) > 50:
                    self.recent_shares_ts_work.pop(0)
                self.local_rate_monitor.add_datum(dict(work=bitcoin_data.target_to_average_attempts(target), dead=not on_time, user=user, share_target=share_info['bits'].target))
                self.local_addr_rate_monitor.add_datum(dict(work=bitcoin_data.target_to_average_attempts(target), pubkey_hash=pubkey_hash))
            
            return on_time

Share not accepted

[CHAOSiTEC]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

try with 1

[bitcoyim]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

try with 1

What is the real diff for this coin? Diff1 gives share about target. But it is already a problem accepting a low diff

[Standhaft]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

try with 1

What is the real diff for this coin? Diff1 gives share about target. But it is already a problem accepting a low diff

It's an LTC pool. So around 5000

[CHAOSiTEC]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

try with 1

What is the real diff for this coin? Diff1 gives share about target. But it is already a problem accepting a low diff

It's an LTC pool. So around 5000

Litecoin Difficulty:   4,719

[bitcoyim]

hmm a scrypt pool that is also affected interresting

stats on pool-x says:

Paid Shares All submitted shares from previous rounds which are already accounted and paid for.
Your Valid: 1
Invalid: 0

I dont know, what is this scrypt coin's difficulty. I set it 20 on miner and worked

try with 1

What is the real diff for this coin? Diff1 gives share about target. But it is already a problem accepting a low diff

It's an LTC pool. So around 5000

Litecoin Difficulty:   4,719

So difficulty is 4,719 but i can mine with difficulty 20?