[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[thelonecrouton]

But their 'bought' marketplace is essentially integrated in the blockchain, no?
that doesn't mean that other markets won't accept it, it's just an extra feature of the coin i guess.

I think it would just give the adoption a boost, since all holders and believers of the coin will start using this decentralised marketplace to sell their goods/services or whatever for their preferred coin.

could you give me some of those reasons why currency and market have to be completely separated?
I would find it hard to believe that the creator of the currency and of the decentralised marketplace could be held responsible if illegal goods would be sold/bought there.

Dark on

Consider the integration of ebay and paypal - it's horrible for their customers, just makes it too easy to fleece people with hideous fees.

Competition is a good thing.

edit, regarding bolded part: good luck trying to sell anything 'dark' (for want of a better word, you know what I mean) on ebay. There's a reason they wont let you - they'd get a fuckton of legal shit dropped on them in short order and wind up behind bars.

[Jesse Livermore]

lets speculate about this :

''and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).

-Evan''


i'm thinking master nodes related cool stuff ... what are your thoughts guys ?

DarkCoin Internet Browser (Darkcoin TOR network) or Mr. Atlas gives his seal of approval.

[KryptoFoo]

lets speculate about this :

''and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).

-Evan''


i'm thinking master nodes related cool stuff ... what are your thoughts guys ?

A fantastic new wallet
Darkcoin foundation
Private TOR network operated by master nodes
Summary blocks
...

[coinzcoinzcoinz]

Lets first optimize the wallet messaging display. The fact that people think theyre experiencing bugs while theyre not means that there is some work to do in messaging etc. Simplicity and clarity is critical.

[Ignition75]

But their 'bought' marketplace is essentially integrated in the blockchain, no?
that doesn't mean that other markets won't accept it, it's just an extra feature of the coin i guess.

I think it would just give the adoption a boost, since all holders and believers of the coin will start using this decentralised marketplace to sell their goods/services or whatever for their preferred coin.

could you give me some of those reasons why currency and market have to be completely separated?
I would find it hard to believe that the creator of the currency and of the decentralised marketplace could be held responsible if illegal goods would be sold/bought there.

Dark on

• Any wrongdoings on the market will get linked to the coin, the coin will be held liable for people's actions
• Other markets will steer clear of the coin because it's linked itself to one marketplace, psychologically it will be an uphill struggle to get it accepted by merchants elsewhere

There's a couple of reasons...

[bigrcanada]

Guys,

I have a question.

I'll go right out ahead and say that i am a firm Darkcoin enthusiast (maybe even believer) because of the way that i've seen the developers handle everything thus far. Kudos for them all the way!

However, i am also invested in another coin (CL...)
I believe both of these coins have very good fundamentals and are serious contendors of having large marketcaps in the future.

However, I believe that currently the idea of CLOAK on OneMarket is superior to that what we are going to be implementing here (OpenBazaar).
Because the way I see it, OpenBazaar uses some form of central marketplace, whereas Onemarket is a decentralised marketplace.

Is there anyone who can explain me why OpenBazaar should/would be superior to an implementation like OneMarket, or why we choose to not try and implement something similar like them here?

Not trying to spread FUD here, i genuinely want DRK to succeed! Am just trying to get a more firm understanding of the market.

Dark on

My firm belief is that a currency has no place in being directly linked to any consumer market place.  i dont thing its a good idea...for either cloak and dark.  I understand in the case of cloak is they are trying to in essence to buy uses to use their coin.   but this is very very narrow minded.  Dark is a currency,  ecash... and similar to fiat cash... shouldn't be integrated into "a particular market".   that would  be a third party application development and not a coin dev development.  its like your trying to buy relevancy... imho

You're belief's are correct.  The currency and the market must stay completely separate for reasons too numerous to mention...

But their 'bought' marketplace is essentially integrated in the blockchain, no?
that doesn't mean that other markets won't accept it, it's just an extra feature of the coin i guess.

I think it would just give the adoption a boost, since all holders and believers of the coin will start using this decentralised marketplace to sell their goods/services or whatever for their preferred coin.

could you give me some of those reasons why currency and market have to be completely separated?
I would find it hard to believe that the creator of the currency and of the decentralised marketplace could be held responsible if illegal goods would be sold/bought there.

Dark on

Think gold,  silver and fiat.  They have no built in features... they are holders of value.   We need to think of brick and mortar and real-estate etc,  big picture.  The concept of a tied marketplace is so very miniscule that its humorous.  i understand the concept of what its supposed to do.   But if for whatever reason the built in feature market gets in trouble with the law enforcement and the government,  whatvever... its now, right or wrong,  tied to the potential issue and the coin.   We call it "tied houses" in the booze business... not a good thing.  Currency must be the currency.  3rd party yes.... and there is nothing wrong with a 3rd party working closely with a coin.. none.   But having the market place actually integrated into its block chain... Bad.  imho

[thelonecrouton]

Lets first optimize the wallet messaging display. The fact that people think theyre experiencing bugs while theyre not means that there is some work to do in messaging etc. Simplicity and clarity is critical.

Yeah, it's time to abandon the format of the existing wallet, which was never exactly a masterpiece anyway. If your UI needs more that one screen or tab for Joe Average to do what he needs then you've failed to design it properly.

Have a User Wallet, and a separate MN/Dev/Expert Wallet.

It's not hard, I've already built my own, although I can't do DS+ related stuff yet as that's not public. And the expert wallet doesn't need to be pretty, expert users don't care about that crap.

[AlexGR]

Hello Everyone,

If you're running a larger than normal wallet and set "Amount to anonymize" to a really high amount, the client will prioritize money that has not been denominated, in effect denominating the entire amount ONCE (this could look  like the round > 1 bug, but it's not). No input will reach 2 rounds before that amount is met. When the client detects you've reached the threshold you set, it will then start denominating round 2, then 3, etc.

From the looks of the thread all issues users are experiencing are not bugs at this point, just a misunderstanding of how Darksend works. All major bugs have been resolved and I'm going to move on to RC5 and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).

-Evan

Camo said he tried with smaller amounts and still it does the same:

did a backup. deleted my wallet and everything. installed fresh .31 wallet and downloaded block chain. Installed backup. Now it works. Weird. Glad its finally working though.

I've done this 4 times. No effect. Still does only 1 round, fees, 1 round, fees, 1 round, fees... Or sometimes just locks the whole wallet and does nothing...

I've just recently started trying it with smaller quantities. No effect. 100 in wallet, 500, 600, 400, 1200, 4000, 1500, 2000... It doesn't matter. Same problems.

I wish it weren't true. But it is...

I've been up all damn night with it. It's 7am now... It doesn't work.

...perhaps there is something in his setup that is causing a failure that doesn't appear in other people (?). TOR-related perhaps? I don't know.

[Blackmet]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

[jaredboice]

Super Stoked for RC4!

Does anyone happen to know when the update will be available for the Mac Wallet??

[thelonecrouton]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

Ask yourself why they are doing that...    

Nobody goes to the effort of running bots out of malice, but greed is another story.

Anonymous trustless ecash is here, the smart are hoovering it up on the cheap.

[GhostPlayer]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

+1 .... hate them bots....

[JGCMiner]

Super Stoked for RC4!

Does anyone happen to know when the update will be available for the Mac Wallet??

It's already available on the website.

[bigrcanada]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

I know... its a crafty piece of bot.  its brutal for all those that are panicking & desperate people,  they are being raped of their money by these bots.  I guess there is no way of curbing it either.

[Ozziecoin]

and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).

-Evan

Could you quantify how you will be able to tell when these 'weak hands' are gone? If you ask me, this is the first time in months that there doesn't seem to be a concern over DRK's new lower-low price this morning. That's a pretty good sign of weak hands being gone, IMO.
Disclaimer: I have a sell-all DRK stop-limit at .00550 which I really would rather not see hit, so I may be biased to see DRK's price take off now rather than drop and trigger that stop (so ironically enough I might be a 'weak hand').
JL

I don't think the market is looking for more tech. The market is looking for open sourced anon tech solution with Btc compatibility. Once that happens, experts like AA can comment on drk's code and markets can form. Drk needs fresh money.

[thelonecrouton]

+1 .... hate them bots....

You probably wont be saying that when their switch gets flipped and they start pushing the price up again.

[silikonski]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

They do that for all coins on Cryptsy. Don't sell! 

[GhostPlayer]

+1 .... hate them bots....

You probably wont be saying that when their switch gets flipped and they start pushing the price up again.

When that happens, I'll trust real investors more than bots

Bots are only useful to manipulate markets

[Blackmet]

These motherfuckers are acting smart.

I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.

1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.

LUL.

They do that for all coins on Cryptsy. Don't sell! 

I don't:)
But taking into account the volumes - some fools still do, and that is pissing off a bit.

[GhostPlayer]

Come one! everyone do your part !! Contact the pools and send them this link... and be nice about it!
In the meanttime, move your miners to know RC4 compliant pools !

http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/Important



Plaswik21's list;

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Please mine on pool that have been fully upgraded to RC4 !

Links useful to trace bad actors
https://drk.mn/blocks.html
http://drk.poolhash.org/mnode.html

Help by sending the pool on RC3 a friendly reminder to update to RC4 version

Link for pool operators to get info where update from etc:
http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/Important#Pool_Owners


Here are the pools who updated to RC4 - OK
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Mining.DarkcoinTalk.org
http://suchpool.pw/drk/
https://coinotron.com/coinotron/
https://www2.coinmine.pl/drk/
x11ltcbtccom (still 10% but at least they updated!)
pool_unknown_125
multipoolus
http://coinmine.pw/
http://drk.p2poolmining.us:7903/static/
http://simpledrk.com/
http://drk.cryptoadhd.com/
https://www.ltcrabbit.com/
http://q30.qhor.net/

Here are the pools who didn`t update to RC4 - KO
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http://wafflepool.com/ - INFORMED BY MAIL
http://darkcoin.miningpoolhub.com/ - INFORMED BY PM BTCTALK
http://drk.cif8.com/ - INFORMED BY MAIL
http://dark.v2.dedicatedpool.com/
https://www.minep.it/ - INFORMED BY PM BTCTALK
http://x11.greenpool.tk/ -
http://darkcoin.cryptocurrency.tw/ - INFORMED BY CONTACT FORM
https://cpu-pool.net/drk/ - INFORMED
https://dark.hashfaster.com/ - INFORMED
https://switchercoin.com/ - INFORMED
http://hashrate.org/ - INFORMED
drkhashlinkeu
nicehash
coinking.io - INFORMED BY TWITTER

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