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[TanteStefana2]

Behold, CCMF is coming soon to a Masternode near you!



Anything BitRated can do, I can do... well, probably! 

Hey Crouton, can you explain to me, as if I'm an old lady.... er 'cause I am an old lady, how one would use this?  I'd like to do a write up, but I only have a cursory understanding.  I'd like to know:

Why one would use this?: can one trade dissimilar coins with this?  is it for items as well (a market?) conceptual things like a contract?  What else?

How does it work?: I see you generate a public key, who has the private key?  Is there a timed element, so that the parties can retrieve their funds if the transaction isn't completed successfully?  I think that's what it needs.  The contract must be timed so that the arbitrator address can eventually return the funds.  I don't see a timing function there?

I know I'll have other questions, but that's it ATM   BTW, I LOVE THIS!

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[toknormal]

BTW, how can the data of the internet be passed through 1000 masternodes without clogging things up?  Is that even remotely possible?  I'm not technical, so I'd appreciate any insight.  Thanks

+1 !

I've been wondering this as well. The potential bandwidth of a DRK "TOR" seems collosal and I would have thought that 1000 masternodes would be saturated in minutes.

Hopefully someone can explain.

[TanteStefana2]

I haven't got a GUI wallet yet. My coins are still on the exchange.

Is it safe to get one ? Is there any interesting stuff to see - like background "washing" of coins etc ?

Is there a Mac one ?

OMG, if you want safety, use the 0.9.12.32 wallet!  Keeping your coins on an exchange is NOT safe!  Why would you think that?  What wallet are they using?  It would be better if YOU used that wallet to protect your coins!

And, go to testnet and play with the wallet with testnet coins.  It's still running and the best and safest way to get used to the wallet, now and in the future.  We have all the tools listed here:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/sticky-testnet-tools-resources.1768/page-2#post-15536

make a darkcoin.conf file and put:

testnet=1

in it.

Ask ANY question, I'll help ya!

[toknormal]

We have all the tools listed here:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/sticky-testnet-tools-resources.1768/page-2#post-15536

Thanks !

Not ALL my DRKs are on the exchange - some are in a masternode cold encrypted wallet which lives in an encrypted drive image with a non-english 40 odd character password which lives on a real hard drive that lives in a "never-connected-to-the-internet" cupboard. Backed up, of course by a paper wallet that lives in a god-knows-where 'nother cupboard somewhere that I'm sure even I won't find it when I really need it.

It's just that I bought a load more DRK's @ 0.003+ and they're still on the exchange cos I wos on holiday in a tent trying to hold my laptop up around the 1 square foot of air that had a semblance of signal from the campsite's public router reflecting off a couple of caravans parked 50 yards away.

Thanks for the offer of help by the way - will take you up on that if I get confused with the new toys !

[coins101]

BTW, how can the data of the internet be passed through 1000 masternodes without clogging things up?  Is that even remotely possible?  I'm not technical, so I'd appreciate any insight.  Thanks

+1 !

I've been wondering this as well. The potential bandwidth of a DRK "TOR" seems collosal and I would have thought that 1000 masternodes would be saturated in minutes.

Hopefully someone can explain.

Demand and supply.

That's the reason for creating a home for adult content and making people pay to be on it, search engines to pay to crawl it, adWords to profit from it.

1,000 master nodes is myopic (litteral definition - no offence meant).

Lets say several thousands, all with nice big pipes for extra bandwidth.

[thelonecrouton]

Hey Crouton, can you explain to me, as if I'm an old lady.... er 'cause I am an old lady, how one would use this?  I'd like to do a write up, but I only have a cursory understanding.  I'd like to know:

Why one would use this?: can one trade dissimilar coins with this?  is it for items as well (a market?) conceptual things like a contract?  What else?

How does it work?: I see you generate a public key, who has the private key?  Is there a timed element, so that the parties can retrieve their funds if the transaction isn't completed successfully?  I think that's what it needs.  The contract must be timed so that the arbitrator address can eventually return the funds.  I don't see a timing function there?

I know I'll have other questions, but that's it ATM   BTW, I LOVE THIS!

I wanted to understand how multisig transactions work, so I wrote a little python app to provide a GUI for the process.

You can download it here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00465450645705168931

(I have no idea if it works on Windows and you need to make sure you're running darkcoind on test-net! You *could* use it on main-net but I wouldn't risk it just yet.)

Doing multisig manually is a pain in the arse, this is a prototype for an easier GUI way of doing it, that's all, which I am trying to port to the web so anyone with a browser can try it, and so anyone using OpenBazaar or something similar can eventually use it too.

Multisig isn't only useful for dealing with other parties, you can create a multisig address that requires multiple keys for your own use, so you need say 2 of 3 (x of y, it's up to you) keys to unlock it, for added security, or in case you lose one.

You are right, for the real world it needs some kind of time-out, and some other stuff, but one ice cream fuelled lunchbreak at a time... 

[thelonecrouton]

BTW, how can the data of the internet be passed through 1000 masternodes without clogging things up?  Is that even remotely possible?  I'm not technical, so I'd appreciate any insight.  Thanks

As bandwidth (and CPU, and disk space) demand grows, MN ops are going to have to pay for much beefier servers. Which shouldn't be a problem, as revenues will grow accordingly.

[Brilliantrocket]

One other thing that concerns me is whether Evan has fixed the collateral bug. If I recall correctly, we can't go open source until that bug is fixed. Otherwise someone will write malicious code that jams Darksend by not fulfilling all the necessary steps.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

I must say, the last several pages have been a joy. The trolls must be taking an extended holiday! This is how great ideas are born, flowing freely between intelligent people. It's been a pleasure to read... /circlejerk  

Tao

[coins101]

Hey Crouton, can you explain to me, as if I'm an old lady.... er 'cause I am an old lady, how one would use this?

Its like having a safe door with 2, 3 or more keys and key holders.

If one person wants to open the safe, he (or, err, she) needs to get the others to agree to open the safe.

Multi-signatories, or multisig.

random example:

If you put some DRK on an exchange and the exchange has one of the keys, you have the other; if the exchange gets hacked and they steal a key from the exchange, people can't steal your coins without your key.

[TanteStefana2]

Thanks !

Not ALL my DRKs are on the exchange - some are in a masternode cold encrypted wallet which lives in an encrypted drive image with a non-english 40 odd character password which lives on a real hard drive that lives in a "never-connected-to-the-internet" cupboard. Backed up, of course by a paper wallet that lives in a god-knows-where 'nother cupboard somewhere that I'm sure even I won't find it when I really need it.

It's just that I bought a load more DRK's @ 0.003+ and they're still on the exchange cos I wos on holiday in a tent trying to hold my laptop up around the 1 square foot of air that had a semblance of signal from the campsite's public router reflecting off a couple of caravans parked 50 yards away.

Thanks for the offer of help by the way - will take you up on that if I get confused with the new toys !

I'm so jealous!  Camping AND internet access!  WOW! 

[TanteStefana2]

BTW, how can the data of the internet be passed through 1000 masternodes without clogging things up?  Is that even remotely possible?  I'm not technical, so I'd appreciate any insight.  Thanks

+1 !

I've been wondering this as well. The potential bandwidth of a DRK "TOR" seems collosal and I would have thought that 1000 masternodes would be saturated in minutes.

Hopefully someone can explain.

Demand and supply.

That's the reason for creating a home for adult content and making people pay to be on it, search engines to pay to crawl it, adWords to profit from it.

1,000 master nodes is myopic (litteral definition - no offence meant).

Lets say several thousands, all with nice big pipes for extra bandwidth.

So you think it can work?  What kind of specs do you think the MNs will need?

[TanteStefana2]

I wanted to understand how multisig transactions work, so I wrote a little python app to provide a GUI for the process.

You can download it here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00465450645705168931

(I have no idea if it works on Windows and you need to make sure you're running darkcoind on test-net! You *could* use it on main-net but I wouldn't risk it just yet.)

Doing multisig manually is a pain in the arse, this is a prototype for an easier GUI way of doing it, that's all, which I am trying to port to the web so anyone with a browser can try it, and so anyone using OpenBazaar or something similar can eventually use it too.

Multisig isn't only useful for dealing with other parties, you can create a multisig address that requires multiple keys for your own use, so you need say 2 of 3 (x of y, it's up to you) keys to unlock it, for added security, or in case you lose one.

You are right, for the real world it needs some kind of time-out, and some other stuff, but one ice cream fuelled lunchbreak at a time... 

It NEEDS to be a tab on our wallet.  Have you told DRKLord?

[defunctec]

Well isn't this interesting!

You know I've got the hots for a Web 3.0 - provided its distinguished from Darkcoin the currency.

Keeping young people safe from the wild parts of the internet will get such global support from families and governments (someone raised a valid point on how you would keep kids off).

But, and on that note.  

Drum roll, please.

SafetyNet (.SN)

Ta da!  

SafetyNet could be made up of willing masternodes that have sophisticated child locks that can't be tampered with by the child.

Masternode would select SafteyNet=1. The node would only accept users who want to use SafetyNet and the safety tools that it provides.

But lets be honest, there are more important things to be concentrated on... Adoption/Open Sourcing/built-in PGP messages for anon delivery.

[thelonecrouton]

I wanted to understand how multisig transactions work, so I wrote a little python app to provide a GUI for the process.

You can download it here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00465450645705168931

(I have no idea if it works on Windows and you need to make sure you're running darkcoind on test-net! You *could* use it on main-net but I wouldn't risk it just yet.)

Doing multisig manually is a pain in the arse, this is a prototype for an easier GUI way of doing it, that's all, which I am trying to port to the web so anyone with a browser can try it, and so anyone using OpenBazaar or something similar can eventually use it too.

Multisig isn't only useful for dealing with other parties, you can create a multisig address that requires multiple keys for your own use, so you need say 2 of 3 (x of y, it's up to you) keys to unlock it, for added security, or in case you lose one.

You are right, for the real world it needs some kind of time-out, and some other stuff, but one ice cream fuelled lunchbreak at a time... 

It NEEDS to be a tab on our wallet.  Have you told DRKLord?

Yeah, having an easy to use multisig GUI in-wallet would be fantastic. I'm just trying to come up with possible approaches to it, and demonstrating that if an idiot like me can do it, Evan + co have no excuse!

flare is on the case I believe... 

[TanteStefana2]

Yeah, having an easy to use multisig GUI in-wallet would be fantastic. I'm just trying to come up with possible approaches to it, and demonstrating that if an idiot like me can do it, Evan + co have no excuse!

flare is on the case I believe...  

It would be awesome if it could be added to any coin's wallet, so that it functions kind of separately/independent of the wallet itself, but the masternodes would host the transactions perhaps, and we could put exchanges out of business!  We could even possibly pay masternodes a teeny tiny reward for hosting!  Starting with BTC/DRK exchange

[thelonecrouton]

SafetyNet could be made up of willing masternodes that have sophisticated child locks that can't be tampered with by the child.

Nothing is childproof.  

More seriously, I am absolutely against any kind of content filtering on both technical, legal and moral grounds. And that's a lot of boths!


Techinical: everything should be encrypted, the system shouldn't be able to determine the content anyway.

Legal: when you allow some things but not others (or try to) you lose your common carrier status and become legally responsible for said content.

Moral: fuck censorship.

[r-ando]

Well isn't this interesting!

You know I've got the hots for a Web 3.0 - provided its distinguished from Darkcoin the currency.

Keeping young people safe from the wild parts of the internet will get such global support from families and governments (someone raised a valid point on how you would keep kids off).

But, and on that note.  

Drum roll, please.

SafetyNet (.SN)

Ta da!  

I just read a few posts up again about IRIS, and I read/saw ISIS.  Errrr, oops!  Maybe a problem?  I dunno.  

I like SafetyNet, that's cute!  It also is SUPER user/masses friendly.

We should definitely stay clear of anything that isn't positive because Darkcoin is all about positivity and ensuring the evolution of freedom!  

So here we have an interesting separation idea... Because there already exists an internet where people are bombarded by pornographic content, why not make the new internet pornography content free from the very beginning? Its a great selling point and child pornography is a point of contention with regards to full anonymity so that would silence that argument once and for all.

A New Secure Internet that forever preserves the access, exchange and security of trade, information and spirituality for all the world and its people.

This is sustainable development and would be a great pleasure.

[defunctec]

SafetyNet could be made up of willing masternodes that have sophisticated child locks that can't be tampered with by the child.

Nothing is childproof.  

More seriously, I am absolutely against any kind of content filtering on both technical, legal and moral grounds. And that's a lot of boths!


Techinical: everything should be encrypted, the system shouldn't be able to determine the content anyway.

Legal: when you allow some things but not others (or try to) you lose your common carrier status and become legally responsible for said content.

Moral: fuck censorship.

The SafetyNet nodes wouldn't be able to see content. SafetyNet could make it known the content it blocks from the off. No need to comb the content.

But yeh i agree with what you said.

[r-ando]

SafetyNet could be made up of willing masternodes that have sophisticated child locks that can't be tampered with by the child.

Nothing is childproof.  

More seriously, I am absolutely against any kind of content filtering on both technical, legal and moral grounds. And that's a lot of boths!


Techinical: everything should be encrypted, the system shouldn't be able to determine the content anyway.

Legal: when you allow some things but not others (or try to) you lose your common carrier status and become legally responsible for said content.

Moral: fuck censorship.

I know censorship is terrible. I'm just thinking since pornography already has its place it would not be censured only channeled to a specific spot, the old internet. If porn was relegated to the old internet there would be no reason to have it on the new one because if people were really concerned about hiding what porno they watch they can buy a dvd or go through the original Tor on the old internet if they want to. This way no one can see what they are doing and if they are concerned about compromising their IP adresse with relation to pornography irrelevant of content they are surely into something wrong. (maybe politics   ) and what is the government going to do or say, they are watching some kind of porn? This would silence any claims of relation between anonymity on the web and child pornography once and for all. We need to eventually work to take that stick away from them might as well do it now.