[POOL][Scrypt][Scrypt-N][X11] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com

[suchmoon]

hey guys

I made a previous post about this and I am struggling. Is there a place to find some good information about what is more profitable between scrypt N and X11 or X13?

Thanks in advance

If you are asking about waffle's options you can see it on the front page - or any page:

scrypt   Hashrate: 19.01 GH/s   Mining: worldcoin   vsLTC: 114%
nscrypt   Hashrate: 477.14 MH/s   Mining: vertcoin   vsLTC: 138%
x11   Hashrate: 8.83 GH/s   Mining: darkcoin   vsLTC: 154%

Waffle doesn't offer X13 yet. The vsLTC number is what you can compare between algorithms.

[poolwaffle]

I have set my password to d=4096 for my ~12Mhs Scrypt ASIC rig, but it seems it is stuck at diff 512.
Any ideas?

Sorry, forgot to make a post here.  It was disabled on the restarts yesterday while working on some tweaks, should be re-enabled soon.

If you are asking about waffle's options you can see it on the front page - or any page:

scrypt   Hashrate: 19.01 GH/s   Mining: worldcoin   vsLTC: 114%
nscrypt   Hashrate: 477.14 MH/s   Mining: vertcoin   vsLTC: 138%
x11   Hashrate: 8.83 GH/s   Mining: darkcoin   vsLTC: 154%

Waffle doesn't offer X13 yet. The vsLTC number is what you can compare between algorithms.

This is correct, however X11 only shows in the header if you have enabled it on the opt-in page.  Hopefully I'll get the stuff done to bring it 100% online (wihtout that page) today   And this post is correct, vsLTC is what you can use to compare which has been most profitable (the header is over the last 24hrs).

[vladman]

Can anyone help, I'm really struggling, and have now spent hours trying to figure this out.  Excuse the newbness of the questions in advance.

I've been mining scrypt on WP for months now, nearly from the beginning, on the rig I built, which was running BAMT.  It was all working fine, but I now want to switch to X11 due to the fact it runs cooler, uses less energy, and should be more profitable than scrypt.

Someone on this thread, a few pages back, gave a link for PiMP (www.getpimp.org), which is some new OS that's multi-algo, and supposedly very easy to use and reliable.  Well, I'm not getting far with it.  I've managed to image a USB stick, and boot the rig with it, and I get into the GUI.  Where I'm struggling is I simply don't know how to set up the config file for X11.  I have my config file from the BAMT, when I was running scrypt.  Can I copy most of this file, and only change a few lines?  Obviously, I know I need to change the ports from 3333 to 3331.  Do intensities, tc, gpu-threads, etc, remain the same, or at least similar?  Most importantly, I don't know what to put in the line where it says "kernel:"  PiMP provides several example config files.  There are two X11 files, called config.x11.conf and config.x11mod.conf. The first one says "kernel: darkcoin", the second one "kernel: x11mod".  Which one of these should I be using?  Are there any other crucial and important differences in the config file which are different from a config file for the scrypt algorithm?  Anything else I should be aware of?

Finally, I have no idea what difficulty I should specify.  My hash rate on scrypt was about 2.4 MH/s.  If I understand correctly, x11 is about 3.5-4 x more, so my X11 hash rate should be somewhere around 9-10 MH/s?  What should I set the "d=???" to in my password?  Or can/should I just specify any password, and let it be handled automatically?

Many thanks!

[Xafen]

Does anyone else on x11 wp mining seem to have their miners go dead more often?

On Scrypt I used to never touch the things on Scrypt, but it seems at least once a day I have to restart the miners on x11. It seems even on my one gridseed miner now that's Scrypt, I also loose wp stats (it declares it dead) 1-2 times a day. The miner at the computer terminal still says it's going, but it doesn't seem I get any credit on wp. Once I restart the miner all seems well again.

Ideas?

[suchmoon]

Can anyone help, I'm really struggling, and have now spent hours trying to figure this out.  Excuse the newbness of the questions in advance.

I've been mining scrypt on WP for months now, nearly from the beginning, on the rig I built, which was running BAMT.  It was all working fine, but I now want to switch to X11 due to the fact it runs cooler, uses less energy, and should be more profitable than scrypt.

Someone on this thread, a few pages back, gave a link for PiMP (www.getpimp.org), which is some new OS that's multi-algo, and supposedly very easy to use and reliable.  Well, I'm not getting far with it.  I've managed to image a USB stick, and boot the rig with it, and I get into the GUI.  Where I'm struggling is I simply don't know how to set up the config file for X11.  I have my config file from the BAMT, when I was running scrypt.  Can I copy most of this file, and only change a few lines?  Obviously, I know I need to change the ports from 3333 to 3331.  Do intensities, tc, gpu-threads, etc, remain the same, or at least similar?  Most importantly, I don't know what to put in the line where it says "kernel:"  PiMP provides several example config files.  There are two X11 files, called config.x11.conf and config.x11mod.conf. The first one says "kernel: darkcoin", the second one "kernel: x11mod".  Which one of these should I be using?  Are there any other crucial and important differences in the config file which are different from a config file for the scrypt algorithm?  Anything else I should be aware of?

Finally, I have no idea what difficulty I should specify.  My hash rate on scrypt was about 2.4 MH/s.  If I understand correctly, x11 is about 3.5-4 x more, so my X11 hash rate should be somewhere around 9-10 MH/s?  What should I set the "d=???" to in my password?  Or can/should I just specify any password, and let it be handled automatically?

Many thanks!

I think you're on the right track. Try x11mod kernel, it should give you higher hashrate. Intensity with this kernel should be 15 or 16, and gpu-threads 2 or 4. Other settings can remain the same, eventually you might want to try tuning further, but first try to get it running.

I'd suggest to start with d=0.008 or d=0.016

[vladman]

I think you're on the right track. Try x11mod kernel, it should give you higher hashrate. Intensity with this kernel should be 15 or 16, and gpu-threads 2 or 4. Other settings can remain the same, eventually you might want to try tuning further, but first try to get it running.

I'd suggest to start with d=0.008 or d=0.016

suchmoon, thanks VERY much!

I've succeeded in getting it going just before I saw your reply, I'm very pleased with myself!

It's fantastic, it's drawing 520-ish Watts instead of 970-ish when it was mining scrypt.  The temps are much lower too and the fans are barely spinning!

Now, I've left everything on default as per the provided example x11mod config file, and just copied a few lines from the old scrypt config file.  This is the current file I'm using:

(the cards are: 280x, 270, 280x, 7950)

"api-allow" : "W:127.0.0.1",
"api-listen" : true,
"api-port" : "4028",
"auto-fan" : true,
"expiry" : "20",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-engine" : "0-0",
"gpu-fan" : "15-70",
"gpu-memclock" : "0",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "2,1,2,1",
"gpu-vddc" : "0.00",
"intensity" : "13,18,13,18",
"kernel" : "x11mod",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin",
"log" : "5",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "60",
"shaders" : "0",
"shares" : "0",
"temp-cutoff" : "86",
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"temp-overheat" : "80",
"temp-target" : "69",
"thread-concurrency" : "0",
"vectors" : "1",
"worksize" : "256"

I left the gpu-threads alone from the old scrypt file, where 280x needed 2, and most other cards 1.  Should I change them all to 2?  Or 4?  Not sure how this works in X11.  What about recommended intensities for these cards?  Also, I didn't specify the difficulty in the password, and it's automatically been set at 0.160.

I'll leave the engine, memory and tc alone for now, small steps.  

This is what it's looking like right now:

[suchmoon]

I left the gpu-threads alone from the old scrypt file, where 280x needed 2, and most other cards 1.  Should I change them all to 2?  Or 4?  Not sure how this works in X11.  What about recommended intensities for these cards?  Also, I didn't specify the difficulty in the password, and it's automatically been set at 0.160.

With the 280x and 270x you probably should try more gpu-threads, not sure about 7950, I'm running it myself with gpu-threads 1

Try higher intensities. 15-16 with gpu-threads > 1, 19-20 with gpu-threads 1.

You should get > 3 MH/s for the 280x, > 2.6 MH/s for the 7950.

[utahjohn]

Card 0 is 280x, card 1 is 7950

sgminer 4.1.0 - Started: [2014-06-10 16:22:41] - [0 days 00:20:30]
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(5s):6.125M (avg):6.112Mh/s | A:239  R:1  HW:0  WU:0.103/m
ST: 0  SS: 3  NB: 34  LW: 1646  GF: 0  RF: 0
Connected to uswest.wafflepool.com:3331 (stratum) diff 0.008 as user 1HANJQygp3j
Block: eeb01873...  Diff:220  Started: [16:40:01]  Best share: 1.905
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[P]ool management [G]PU management ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 GPU 0:  58.0C 2777RPM | 3.166M/3.170Mh/s | A:127 R:  0.0% HW:0 WU:0.050/m I:16
 GPU 1:  56.0C 3096RPM | 2.967M/2.964Mh/s | A:113 R:  0.8% HW:0 WU:0.053/m I:18
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[16:42:06] Accepted 3feb9625 Diff 0.016/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:42:09] Accepted 1beb7ced Diff 0.036/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:10] Accepted 2a5e9542 Diff 0.024/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:15] Accepted 6b7133b2 Diff 0.009/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:42:23] Accepted 104c9aff Diff 0.061/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:23] Accepted 737b6687 Diff 0.009/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:30] Accepted 44ef95cf Diff 0.015/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:42:33] Accepted 4673ec5a Diff 0.014/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:34] Accepted 5e95121c Diff 0.011/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:42:40] Accepted 61404ba1 Diff 0.010/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:42:43] Accepted 3efda005 Diff 0.016/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0
[16:42:57] Accepted 76a679d9 Diff 0.008/0.008 GPU 1 at Pool 0
[16:43:09] Accepted 396af744 Diff 0.017/0.008 GPU 0 at Pool 0

{
"pools" : [
   {
      "url" : "stratum+tcp://uswest.wafflepool.com:3331",
      "user" : "1HANJQygp3jHuzutceBgMT7wfCgEug6h4L_R9280x-HD7950",
      "pass" : "d=0.008"
   },
   {
      "url" : "stratum+tcp://pool1.us.multipool.us:3371",
      "user" : "arthertonjohn.GPU2",
      "pass" : "x"
   }
]
,
"intensity" : "16,18",
"worksize" : "256,256",
"kernel" : "x11mod",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"thread-concurrency" : "24576,24000",
"shaders" : "2048,1792",
"gpu-threads" : "4,4",
"gpu-engine" : "1050-1080,1065-1100",
"gpu-fan" : "60-100",
"auto-fan" : true,
"gpu-memclock" : "1600,1250",
"gpu-memdiff" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "0",
"gpu-vddc" : "0.000",
"temp-cutoff" : "95",
"temp-overheat" : "85",
"temp-target" : "70",
"api-mcast-port" : "4028",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "59",
"failover-switch-delay" : "60",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "0",
"scan-time" : "50",
"tcp-keepalive" : "30",
"temp-hysteresis" : "2",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin",
"no-client-reconnect" : true,
"no-submit-stale" : true
}

[poolwaffle]

X11 is fully live.  No longer opt-in, and shows in the header/homepage with a getting-started guide.

The password-based difficulty is a lot more flexible now as well, allows any value from 0.008 to 2.048 (not required to be a multiple of 0.008)

[chadwickx16]

X11 is fully live.  No longer opt-in, and shows in the header/homepage with a getting-started guide.

The password-based difficulty is a lot more flexible now as well, allows any value from 0.008 to 2.048 (not required to be a multiple of 0.008)

Great news PoolOP!! Thanks! It's working great so far!

[Zels]

X11 is fully live.  No longer opt-in, and shows in the header/homepage with a getting-started guide.

The password-based difficulty is a lot more flexible now as well, allows any value from 0.008 to 2.048 (not required to be a multiple of 0.008)

Don't forget nvidia in your How-To ^^

ccminer: https://github.com/cbuchner1/ccminer/releases
Example: ccminer50.exe --algo=x11 -o stratum+tcp://eu.wafflepool.com:3331 -u your_bitcoin_address -p d=0.016

Ps: For X11 the title is "Scrypt-N Mining" instead of x11 and wrong port Number in your example

[libbyporit]

The table title X11 quickstart is titled "Scrypt-N Mining". Don't you hate those copy/paste errors? 

[poolwaffle]

The table title X11 quickstart is titled "Scrypt-N Mining". Don't you hate those copy/paste errors? 

Copy/Paste is hard man.  Writing a decent pool, no problem.  Copy/pasting instructions for how to use said pool, way harder

Don't forget nvidia in your How-To ^^

ccminer: https://github.com/cbuchner1/ccminer/releases
Example: ccminer50.exe --algo=x11 -o stratum+tcp://eu.wafflepool.com:3331 -u your_bitcoin_address -p d=0.016

Ps: For X11 the title is "Scrypt-N Mining" instead of x11 and wrong port Number in your example

Added, sorry about that

[zSprawl]

I left the gpu-threads alone from the old scrypt file, where 280x needed 2, and most other cards 1.  Should I change them all to 2?  Or 4?  Not sure how this works in X11.  What about recommended intensities for these cards?  Also, I didn't specify the difficulty in the password, and it's automatically been set at 0.160.

With the 280x and 270x you probably should try more gpu-threads, not sure about 7950, I'm running it myself with gpu-threads 1

Try higher intensities. 15-16 with gpu-threads > 1, 19-20 with gpu-threads 1.

You should get > 3 MH/s for the 280x, > 2.6 MH/s for the 7950.

Thanks. Your tips helped me as well.

[suchmoon]

I left the gpu-threads alone from the old scrypt file, where 280x needed 2, and most other cards 1.  Should I change them all to 2?  Or 4?  Not sure how this works in X11.  What about recommended intensities for these cards?  Also, I didn't specify the difficulty in the password, and it's automatically been set at 0.160.

With the 280x and 270x you probably should try more gpu-threads, not sure about 7950, I'm running it myself with gpu-threads 1

Try higher intensities. 15-16 with gpu-threads > 1, 19-20 with gpu-threads 1.

You should get > 3 MH/s for the 280x, > 2.6 MH/s for the 7950.

Thanks. Your tips helped me as well.

Take a look at utahjohn's post too. His setup seems to be better tuned than mine:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433634.msg7240969#msg7240969

[vladman]

Is it normal the reject ratio on x11 is incredibly low? I'm obviously not complaining, but I'm suspicious, just in case it indicates something is wrong with my settings. I set my rig up for x11 last night, it's hashing at about 9 MH/s, and until just 5 minutes ago, I had no rejects! I had over 500 accepted shares, and 0 rejects. Literally now, as I'm writing this, there's been the first reject, so my reject rate is now 0.188 %.

Wp seems to be tracking my rate and earnings are going up, but still, I thought it was a little too good to be true, so I thought I'd better check.

Thanks suchmoon (and utahjohn and his posts with his config files) in particular who helped me with the setup.

Thanks of course goes to Waffle too, for his continued work and improvements on this awesome pool! 

[Gigi8899]

X11 settings
This is my stable settings for 280x Toxic.
Gpu 0 with Elpida memory & Gpu 1&2 with Hynix memory
Catalyst 14.4

Gpu 0 with 3.2Mhs & WU 0.044
Gpu 1 with 3.5Mhs & WU 0.049
Gpu 2 with 3.5Mhs & WU 0.049

"intensity" : "19,19,19",
"worksize" : "256,256,256",

"thread-concurrency" : "8192,8192,8192",
"shaders" : "2048,2048,2048",

"gpu-threads" : "4",
"gpu-engine" : "1050,1150,1150",
"gpu-memclock" : "1600,1800,1800",

"auto-fan" : true,

"temp-target" : "75,75,75",
"temp-cutoff" : "95",

"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "7",
"expiry" : "28",

"log" : "5"

http://i57.tinypic.com/23jofgk.jpg

[ak111in]

Update www.wafflepoolmonitor.com



Hi, the website has been updated with seperate stats for scrypt, scrypt-n and x11 and is now using the new api.
Hope you find it useful.

Regards,

[f0ad]

@poolwaffle: any chance you can combine the balance sheets of all 3 algos when paying out? i have a lingering balance for scrypt that won't ever be paid out unless i go back to mining scrypt. however, i've been paid out for x11 no problem, but only x11, not x11 + scrypt.

in case i wasn't clear in my description:
on the stats page it shows the balances broken out nicely, and even totals them up on the right-hand side. however, payouts are not the total combined, but rather individual.

[poolwaffle]

@poolwaffle: any chance you can combine the balance sheets of all 3 algos when paying out? i have a lingering balance for scrypt that won't ever be paid out unless i go back to mining scrypt. however, i've been paid out for x11 no problem, but only x11, not x11 + scrypt.

in case i wasn't clear in my description:
on the stats page it shows the balances broken out nicely, and even totals them up on the right-hand side. however, payouts are not the total combined, but rather individual.

They'll definitely be grouped together eventually, just not quite yet.  We've got 1 more algorithm to add (X13), which should hopefully be in testing this weekend (maybe early next week?), and having them split up is just a precaution for me in case anything goes wrong.  I don't expect anything to go wrong, but having them split up makes it much clearer where the problem was (if there is a problem).  Soon as X13 is up, and looks stable, I'll go through and combine the payouts