[POOL][Scrypt][Scrypt-N][X11] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com

[libbyporit]

Makes perfect sense. Out of curiosity, I know scryptN is usually referred to as "about half the hash as scrypt" but is the 0.47 a proven value?

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[poolwaffle]

Makes perfect sense. Out of curiosity, I know scryptN is usually referred to as "about half the hash as scrypt" but is the 0.47 a proven value?

So the issue there is the 0.47 changes per GPU/CPU.  Some cards will be 0.40, some will be 0.55, varying by clock speed, memory available, memory speed, etc.  Generally higher memory cards (or faster memory) will have a slightly better edge on Scrypt-N vs Scrypt.  0.47 is just a pretty good estimate for scaling (I think this is based on R280x cards - a pretty standard mining card).

When we're stable with the additional algorithms (X11/X13), I'll be adding some custom stuff to allow you to switch your miner dynamically for the most profitable algorithm (I think, it will need a TON of testing - don't hold me to it).  If that's the case, it will need to have a more accurate measure for each miner's speed change.

Long story short, 0.47 is pretty widely accepted for the hashrate change (seen 0.45, 0.47, and 0.50 in different places).

[utahjohn]

@poolwaffle
Whatever the HIDDEN coin is I am getting 0 payout on it:

2014-06-03 02:39:12    execoin    0.00276909    0.00000006
2014-06-03 02:36:18    spaincoin    0.00928363    0.00000003
2014-06-03 02:34:12    spaincoin    0.01856726    0.00000005
2014-06-03 01:58:11    spaincoin    0.01380851    0.00000004
2014-06-03 01:49:10    execoin    0.00321167    0.00000007
2014-06-03 01:48:13    spaincoin    0.01391932    0.00000004
2014-06-03 01:40:03    hidden    0.00952157    0.00000000
2014-06-03 01:34:14    execoin    0.00445178    0.00000010
2014-06-03 01:32:13    execoin    0.00890374    0.00000021
2014-06-03 01:29:12    execoin    0.00464180    0.00000011
2014-06-03 01:28:14    execoin    0.00464180    0.00000011
2014-06-03 01:27:12    execoin    0.00464180    0.00000011
2014-06-03 01:26:11    execoin    0.00464208    0.00000011
2014-06-03 01:25:02    hidden    0.01904314    0.00000000
2014-06-03 01:22:08    execoin    0.00464180    0.00000011
2014-06-03 01:20:15    spaincoin    0.00581386    0.00000002
2014-06-03 01:16:16    execoin    0.00588514    0.00000014
2014-06-03 01:14:17    execoin    0.00588514    0.00000014
2014-06-03 01:13:12    spaincoin    0.00581386    0.00000002
2014-06-03 01:12:12    execoin    0.00588537    0.00000014
2014-06-03 01:10:14    execoin    0.00569227    0.00000013
2014-06-03 01:08:20    execoin    0.00569261    0.00000013
2014-06-03 01:00:01    hidden    0.00946201    0.00000000
2014-06-03 00:59:13    spaincoin    0.00527125    0.00000002
2014-06-03 00:57:12    spaincoin    0.00527125    0.00000002
2014-06-03 00:55:11    execoin    0.00609788    0.00000014
2014-06-03 00:50:11    execoin    0.00609788    0.00000014
2014-06-03 00:45:11    execoin    0.00542086    0.00000013
2014-06-03 00:45:01    hidden    0.04750748    0.00000001
2014-06-03 00:37:11    execoin    0.00401030    0.00000009
2014-06-03 00:31:12    execoin    0.00401030    0.00000009
2014-06-03 00:30:13    execoin    0.00401030    0.00000010
2014-06-03 00:29:11    execoin    0.00401030    0.00000010
2014-06-03 00:22:16    execoin    0.00401030    0.00000010
2014-06-03 00:20:10    execoin    0.00401062    0.00000009
2014-06-03 00:15:01    hidden    0.01915774    0.00000000
2014-06-03 00:14:11    execoin    0.00436414    0.00000010
2014-06-03 00:03:11    execoin    0.00403113    0.00000009
2014-06-02 23:52:10    execoin    0.00259484    0.00000006
2014-06-02 23:51:14    execoin    0.00259484    0.00000006
2014-06-02 23:48:11    execoin    0.00259484    0.00000006
2014-06-02 23:47:13    execoin    0.00259484    0.00000006
2014-06-02 23:44:11    execoin    0.00261677    0.00000006
2014-06-02 23:40:18    execoin    0.00562692    0.00000013
2014-06-02 23:38:16    execoin    0.01125362    0.00000026
2014-06-02 23:28:13    execoin    0.01136965    0.00000026
2014-06-02 23:21:11    execoin    0.00572907    0.00000013
2014-06-02 23:15:10    execoin    0.00572907    0.00000013
2014-06-02 23:10:13    execoin    0.01146085    0.00000026
2014-06-02 23:10:02    entropycoin    0.00689050    0.00000019

[gridsad]

Are there any merge minable scrypt (or scrypt-n for that matter now) secondary coins that actually trade on any of the exchanges that WP uses?  

Poolwaffle, I don't remember seeing this mentioned ever, seems like if answer to above is yes, it may be a good feature to have to eek out a bit of extra profit and set WP apart from the other profit switching pools.  I don't know of any decent profit switching pool that is currently at least publicly doing this.

Is the feature to keep certain mined coins still planned or was that a non-starter?  

[poolwaffle]

@poolwaffle
Whatever the HIDDEN coin is I am getting 0 payout on it:

2014-06-03 02:39:12    execoin    0.00276909    0.00000006
2014-06-03 02:36:18    spaincoin    0.00928363    0.00000003
2014-06-03 01:40:03    hidden    0.00952157    0.00000000
2014-06-02 23:10:02    entropycoin    0.00689050    0.00000019

Snipped a bunch of lines.

Thats really odd, as the three non-hidden ones are the only ones we're mining on Scrypt-N (and none of them are hidden obviously).  Can you send me the address and I'll take a look?

[utahjohn]

@poolwaffle
Whatever the HIDDEN coin is I am getting 0 payout on it:

2014-06-03 02:39:12    execoin    0.00276909    0.00000006
2014-06-03 02:36:18    spaincoin    0.00928363    0.00000003
2014-06-03 01:40:03    hidden    0.00952157    0.00000000
2014-06-02 23:10:02    entropycoin    0.00689050    0.00000019

Snipped a bunch of lines.

Thats really odd, as the three non-hidden ones are the only ones we're mining on Scrypt-N (and none of them are hidden obviously).  Can you send me the address and I'll take a look?

1HANJQygp3jHuzutceBgMT7wfCgEug6h4L

Seems really odd to me too as I have not mined scrypt on waffle for a while (backup pool for scrypt).
I'll be moving more hashrate to scrypt-n and perhaps X11 after I see how N goes ...

[iggle]

Hey poolwaffle, first off thanks for the pool. been here on and off a while, but jumped over for nscrypt and loving it!

Is there going to be any type of closed x11 beta? I know you had the message for nscrypt i noticed a  few days ago, but i'd love to get on the x11 train when it gets started(i know it'll be disconnected a bunch at first as you work on it).  With it using about half the power it makes it much more profitable so I'dlove to help test it out as soon as you get it implemented!

Thanks again!

(ps seeing my 280x go at 2.5mh for x11 is awesome but i'm back at wp to support it on nscrypt for now)

[poolwaffle]

Hey poolwaffle, first off thanks for the pool. been here on and off a while, but jumped over for nscrypt and loving it!

Is there going to be any type of closed x11 beta? I know you had the message for nscrypt i noticed a  few days ago, but i'd love to get on the x11 train when it gets started(i know it'll be disconnected a bunch at first as you work on it).  With it using about half the power it makes it much more profitable so I'dlove to help test it out as soon as you get it implemented!

Thanks again!

(ps seeing my 280x go at 2.5mh for x11 is awesome but i'm back at wp to support it on nscrypt for now)

There will be for sure, hopefully during this week sometime (testing on my own rig to make sure everything works tomorrow)

[iggle]

There will be for sure, hopefully during this week sometime (testing on my own rig to make sure everything works tomorrow)

Awesome, looking forward to it very much!  I can't find any reliable (or at least on same pool) profitability for all 3, so that will be great.  can't decide if i should stay on n, or jump to x11 since my power is about 0.08/  its pretty cheap already compared to some.   But if profits are close to the same that will make my mind up for me

also randomness, if you ever want someone to help with the site itself let me know, i'd love to design a new ui for it eith a bit better ux ;P web design/developer; so i'd love to help out for a fun project!

[ak111in]

Can I ask which stats you're looking for that aren't on the new stats page?  Would probably be trivial to add them to the API (scraping is the ugly answer)

Currently the following values are taken from wafflepool stats page:
Pool hashrate, currently mining, last hour of coin mining, Pool unconverted balances and recent earnings per MH pool vs LTC.

[madian]

pw, are you sure about the 4x factor calculation(x11 vs scrypt)? my rigs report a 2.85x-3.13x x11 vs scrypt. is it a problem on my end or a typo?

[libbyporit]

Is there a reason the vsLTC stats at the top of the site do not match the  stats page:http://wafflepool.com/stats ?

[Uniphase21]

not sure where to post this but does anyone have a link to really describe the differentiation between script-N and X11. I have been mining for 7 months and really have been too busy read up on this until now. I have been on wafflepool since the beginning.


Thanks in advance guys

[gtraah]

Is there constant work on new Profitability algos? There is a guy on the clever thread who wrote his own coin switching algo and is getting 0.004 whilst clever / waffle are getting half... I am just thinking since times are changing wouldn't it be better to try new things, spread hashrates over 10 different coins at a time which may allow us to mine the smaller coins.. I am just thinking if people have figured out  new ways & combinations to mine for more profit there must be better ways out there..

mh/btc is getting really bad... I mean 0.002 is getting ridiculous..

I wonder what poolwarz is like they have a monster queue... even if they charge $12 per month if its @ 0.004 Or higher its worth it. Maybe not the best place to ask but anyone mining anywhere else? PM me plz!! we need a awesome comparison site to see how all these multipools compare

[poolwaffle]

pw, are you sure about the 4x factor calculation(x11 vs scrypt)? my rigs report a 2.85x-3.13x x11 vs scrypt. is it a problem on my end or a typo?

I haven't looked into it much yet, that first 4x comment was just taken from somewhere I saw it.  It also varies by device, some devices might be 3x, some might be 5x

Is there a reason the vsLTC stats at the top of the site do not match the  stats page:http://wafflepool.com/stats ?

vsLTC on the stats page is by day (from 00:00:00 to 23:59:59).  The one up in the header is past 24hrs (-24hrs to now).

not sure where to post this but does anyone have a link to really describe the differentiation between script-N and X11. I have been mining for 7 months and really have been too busy read up on this until now. I have been on wafflepool since the beginning.

Just a different POW algorithm, and not an amazingly complex one at that, they just strung together 11 different algorithms in series as "one" algorithm. algo1(algo2(algo3(....)))

Is there constant work on new Profitability algos? There is a guy on the clever thread who wrote his own coin switching algo and is getting 0.004 whilst clever / waffle are getting half... I am just thinking since times are changing wouldn't it be better to try new things, spread hashrates over 10 different coins at a time which may allow us to mine the smaller coins.. I am just thinking if people have figured out  new ways & combinations to mine for more profit there must be better ways out there..

mh/btc is getting really bad... I mean 0.002 is getting ridiculous..

I wonder what poolwarz is like they have a monster queue... even if they charge $12 per month if its @ 0.004 Or higher its worth it. Maybe not the best place to ask but anyone mining anywhere else? PM me plz!! we need a awesome comparison site to see how all these multipools compare

poolpicker.eu does comparisons, so do a lot of places (google is your friend).  The base number of 0.002 is 100% based on LTC profitability to BTC however, I would be very surprised at anyone getting 0.004 on average over a decent sample size.  The other thing to mention however, is that almost anyone on their own should be able to beat out wafflepool doing it themselves.  We have to switch about 200,000 different connections, at 40GHs, and for the most part be more profitable than straight LTC across the board.  This means no mining super small coins (5 difficulty and under), and for reasonably small coins (under 30-40 difficulty), need to switch parts of the pool to avoid all sorts of problems.  Not to mention we have latency to clients, etc.

If you were to run the 30ish coindaemons locally (a huge amount of bandwidth), and pull prices from 3-4 exchanges locally, and write your own switcher locally (no latency) for just your own miner, and do all of the sending/exchanging coins at those 3-4 exchanges (and the market analysis so you dont get caught in pump/dumps), you should be almost guaranteed to beat out any pool doing the same thing.  You could probably beat us out by 15-20% almost all of the time.

The difference is between taking 30 seconds to type in our endpoint + your bitcoin address, and probably a solid month of work (and not terribly easy work), plus constant monitoring/tweaking for 15-20% profits.  There's a reason we're still around

[suchmoon]

pw, are you sure about the 4x factor calculation(x11 vs scrypt)? my rigs report a 2.85x-3.13x x11 vs scrypt. is it a problem on my end or a typo?

If you are using something like AMD 7950/7970 R9 270/280/290 you should be getting ~4x. Upgrade sgminer to x11mod if you haven't yet.

[suchmoon]

Is there constant work on new Profitability algos? There is a guy on the clever thread who wrote his own coin switching algo and is getting 0.004 whilst clever / waffle are getting half... I am just thinking since times are changing wouldn't it be better to try new things, spread hashrates over 10 different coins at a time which may allow us to mine the smaller coins.. I am just thinking if people have figured out  new ways & combinations to mine for more profit there must be better ways out there..

mh/btc is getting really bad... I mean 0.002 is getting ridiculous..

I wonder what poolwarz is like they have a monster queue... even if they charge $12 per month if its @ 0.004 Or higher its worth it. Maybe not the best place to ask but anyone mining anywhere else? PM me plz!! we need a awesome comparison site to see how all these multipools compare

I saw that post in CM thread. It's certainly possible to get better returns than multipools, and rig rentals sites kind of prove it since there are people paying 20-50% premium for hashrate (or maybe they are all one big charity), but I think that CONSISTENTLY earning twice as much as WP/CM/etc is not that easy. I have a feeling that 0.004 number - if it's true - was taken from a short period (e.g. 1 day) or from a long period that includes "better times" just a few weeks ago. You also need to question why someone would step into a multipool's thread to brag about it. I would either silently mine the shit out of it with rented rigs, or I would sell it as a service.

[gsrcrxsi]

Hey guys. How is the profit for the scrypt-n pool doing? Is it any better than the scrypt pool? Are there configuration tweaks (GPU settings, core, mem, TC, etc) that need to be made when switching to scrypt-n?

I've had my 2MH (scrypt) on Waffle for a few months now, and I like that I never touch it. It just runs and makes money. I'm interested in making some more profit by switching to the N pool, but only if it's worth the effort. I do not want to be tweaking a system all the time.

[libbyporit]

I do not want to be tweaking a system all the time.

If you don't want to be tweaking... then stay scrypt. If you want to be making 35% more money, then you better get used to it More algos on the way...

[poolwaffle]

Hey guys. How is the profit for the scrypt-n pool doing? Is it any better than the scrypt pool? Are there configuration tweaks (GPU settings, core, mem, TC, etc) that need to be made when switching to scrypt-n?

I've had my 2MH (scrypt) on Waffle for a few months now, and I like that I never touch it. It just runs and makes money. I'm interested in making some more profit by switching to the N pool, but only if it's worth the effort. I do not want to be tweaking a system all the time.

Click "Stats", then click "Scrypt-N".  Alternatively, just look in the header.