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June 12, 2017, 12:11:33 AM
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The one they were mining at that time... And since this is taking so long problem is that a wallet from that time was compromised... I think it is about 230 BTC in total(not just me all the miners)... But it is so far back that I forgot... But it is somewhere in this thread...

Not sure what you're referring to as far as "a wallet from that time was compromised".  Eligius has never had any pool funds or wallets compromised.

I described in detail at the beginning of this year the disposition of funds held as a result of the block withholding attack, and they were distributed accordingly.  The withholding attack's effects were spread across thousands of miners, and thus very few ended up with any significant impact from it.  I spent a great deal of time going over all of the details as best as possible while sitting with legal counsel on this matter.  I forget the exact words used, but an analogy along the lines of "Going to an abandoned house and placing money in a dresser drawer" was made when I was going over the miner addresses that had been inactive both on Eligius and the blockchain for multiple years.  Further, as mentioned in the original post, the bulk of the shelved shares accumulated by miners during the withholding period were actually paid by subsequent pool luck from that time period.  The discovery of the block withholding attack was roughly three years ago at this point.  I personally funded legal counsel costs towards the end of last year in order to finally resolve the matter.  I consider this a completely closed matter at this point.
Address that I used at that time was compromised and that why it was inactive. I came hire and asked you about when you will redistribute this funds multiple times and also if it is posible to change the address. So the house had a note on it. Also since you told me that changing address is not posible  I did have a script ready to move founds of it ASAP running for 1,5 years waiting for this. So even if the house was abandoned it had a transporter in a dresser drawer and I have send multiple notes send to you... At current exchange rate your BS reason cost me a 1000$...

EDIT: Just do a search for my nickname and you will find me asking you and telling you about that...
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June 12, 2017, 12:44:38 AM
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Address that I used at that time was compromised and that why it was inactive. I came hire and asked you about when you will redistribute this funds multiple times and also if it is posible to change the address. So the house had a note on it. Also since you told me that changing address is not posible  I did have a script ready to move founds of it ASAP running for 1,5 years waiting for this. So even if the house was abandoned it had a transporter in a dresser drawer and I have send multiple notes send to you... At current exchange rate your BS reason cost me a 1000$...

As noted in my last post earlier, inactivity did not actually prevent anyone from being paid who was due funds from this time period related to the block withholding attack.  You should probably re-read the distribution checklist that I re-quoted.  Inactivity on the pool only mattered at all if the unrewarded shelved shares from the affected period totaled less than 2 TBC (~0.001 BTC).  If it were less, well, sorry... it would have been a donation to the pool anyway, but instead it was decided to forgo that and distribute to other miners.  If it were more than 2 TBC, it was rewarded and distributed.  If you didn't get anything further from the Eligius-Ra closing payouts then you weren't due anything related to the block withholding attack, or weren't due more than ~0.001 BTC.

This matter has been closed for half a year now, so I'm not going to continue to waste time entertaining public posts about it that are just going to spread misinformation, especially to those who may not have been around back in 2014.  If you have a specific question or concern about your own payout from that time period: open a ticket, email me, PM me on IRC, etc.  Considering I've gotten only a few questions back in January regarding this particular topic, all of which were misunderstandings and resolved easily with clarification, I'm pretty sure the same would apply to others as well.  As may be obvious, I'm finally back to actively working on Eligius again.  Please don't waste the time I have by trying to make something out of long dead topics that are effectively unchangeable at this point anyway.

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June 12, 2017, 07:50:56 AM
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OK in that case some other mistake cost me that BTC or your stupid reasoning... In any case you should not distributed that to new miners but the ones that were affected by this not just when you figure it out but mouths before that when we were screaming that you are having this problem... In a normal process that didn't take 2,5 years this is what would happen anyway...

And sorry for not reading this every day since it looked like it will never get solved... In most cases you just ignored my questions... I also moved off this forum in protest to polices used hire...

EDIT: also why you had close to no questions or complaints? 99% have moved on from this pool and forgot about it... If everyone would know about it they would be screaming you should not pay new miners but miners from that time. And if you have extra BTC left then you should pay back from that date. According to stats I have less then 90% of shares paid from March to July 2014... It might be that I have 100% of June paid(no way to know that from stats) but that doesn't give you the right to use funds from that time to pay miners mining 2,5 years later... If it is a June 2014 money it should be going to shares before June 2014... If 98% of lost funds in June were payed by luck later on what would happen if that luck would not go to pay 98% of lost funds but to older shares. That is the BS part you did and I don't see a way for you to defend it... If you would distributed that 200BTC to miners sooner luck later that paid June would pay shares in May, April and so on...
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June 12, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
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I guess I see the source of your confusion.  Let me try to clarify.  The main issue became that rewarding further back in the share log so far beyond the block withholding attack shares that were already rewarded naturally would have rewarded miners in a very disproportional manner.  It would have rewarded shares of miners who a) had abandoned the pool, and/or b) weren't affected by the withholding attack at all in the first place, and/or c) wouldn't have been rewarded a sufficient amount to be paid over 2 TBC (~0.001 BTC).  So, there was no perfect solution to this whole thing.  It didn't make sense to make many thousands of dust payouts to miners who had long stopped mining and/or didn't have anything to do with mining during the withholding attack.  At the same time, it would have been wrong to selectively choose miners who were affected by the attack and disproportionately reward shares that would have never been rewarded otherwise.  It would have been wrong to use the massive amounts of < 2 TBC balances as an excuse to suck up those funds as pool donations, too, so that was out of the question.  Rewarding and payout of the shares as was done back in January was the most fair and sensible solution available.  Again, not perfect, because it did not eliminate the issue of rewarding miners who weren't affected by the withholding attack in the first place... but that was an unsolvable problem to begin with.  At least the rest of the issues were eliminated by the final solution.

I was also not going to take any action regarding the coins that were recovered back in 2014 until after a full review by legal counsel to cover both myself and Eligius on all possible risks.  This was not an inexpensive task, either, and Eligius has virtually no real income aside from donations which haven't even covered hosting costs for a while.  I didn't think it right to take away from these held funds due to the miners to cover those costs, either, as they still were not Eligius's funds to spend.  In the end it was an issue that had to finally be resolved, and I took the steps and paid the needed costs associated with doing so myself.  Suffice it to say, not even counting my own time, over the past year or so I've Eligius's biggest donor.

I do believe, in your personal case, you're mixing natural pool luck in with the block withholding attack offset.  I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the block withholding attack accounted for a few % drop in shares rewarded throughout the affected period.  There were other periods of bad luck that were natural and unrelated.  The CPPSRB share log was run through simulations related to the block withholding attack period and its expected effect on the share log throughout that time frame, and that data was analyzed extensively before coming to the final reward distribution method.

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June 14, 2017, 05:59:17 PM
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Unfortunately I've had to remove a post from here relating to the above.  I'm not going waste time going in circles publicly about something that is done and over with and is only being brought up now because a couple of people want to try and extort me and/or Eligius solely because of the latest hike in exchange rate.  There is no sense continuing such a line of discussion here.  It serves no purpose other than to allow FUD to be spread by those who obviously do not have a full understanding of Eligius's reward system at the time, the actual topic, and have their own motives along those lines.  There is absolutely nothing that can or will be done to change how it was handled.  The matter is closed.

Further posts spinning wheels on this topic that is beyond ancient history will be removed.  If you desire more details, check posts from June 2014 era and the posts around the closing of Eligius-Ra.


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June 14, 2017, 07:26:12 PM
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Lucko don't blame others for your mistakes!

IMHO: the problem here is that Lucko's prejudice is the loss because of his own fault, but he is looking for an excuse:
Address that I used at that time was compromised

And another IMHO: Slush and Eligius are the only true mining pools with their owners being open and honest since the beginning, spending their own resources/funds to support the pool growth ... or simply existence!

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June 15, 2017, 12:47:17 AM
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As of the most recent payout all blocks found by Eligius-Hu have been distributed to miners.  Eligius-Hu's offline wallet holds a bit over 1 BTC worth of miner funds as the sum of funds due to miners who have not yet reached the minimum payout amount (roughly 0.01 BTC).

When the pool finds its next block, I will process the payout accordingly.  I am still working on getting stats and automatic payouts back online, however the past several months have been exhausting (unrelated to Eligius) and I have not had the time required to complete everything needed.  My time is opening back up again, and I plan to move forward full force on completing these projects ASAP.

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Thanks, WK, for your personal efforts in keeping the pool up and running.
For the record, I feel you handled the transition payout very fairly, and I know I couldn't have done any better myself.

I understand too well what it's like being exhausted from the day job, and I appreciate your choosing to spend some of your own personal time to improve the site for all users.
My rigs remain pointed here, at the Eligius pool.
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June 23, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
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How goes the new stats page and homepage progress?
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July 02, 2017, 02:14:13 PM
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I had donated a small amount to stats development before the pool died. As the stats were never further developed, is it possible to have the donation returned??
i asked the magic 8-ball for you and it said ● Very doubtful

all joking aside a donation is just that and never treated as anything else im not a mod or anything in the pool other then another miner but   . thats like asking the red cross for the money you donated because you feel fema does a better job  

It has now been a month since I asked this and the pool seems no more alive than it did back then.

I agree, paxtoncamaro91, I acknowledge this was a donation.  However, in this case, it was a donation in exchange for a specified outcome (ie. stats development).   Perhaps a closer analogy would be supporting a crowdfunding project (ie. kickstarter) that never met it's target, but not getting one's donation back..??

WK - can I please ask you to consider returning the dust donation?

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July 17, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
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Given the upcoming soft and hard forks, what is Eligius's position on the matter?
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July 20, 2017, 07:45:06 AM
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Hello wk,

could you trigger a payout before Aug 1st? What will happen with the shares if blockchain will split?  Undecided
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July 21, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
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We are currently all paid up.  If we find a block, hopefully we will receive a payout shortly thereafter.
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August 05, 2017, 01:28:11 AM
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How's the redevelopment of the site/pool going?
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August 05, 2017, 02:00:04 AM
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Wizkid, given we don't have any on-line stats, can you provide the current hashrate of Eligius?  Just trying to get a feel of our luck / timeframe until we find our next block.
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August 18, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
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Is this page http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/pushtxn.php actually working?
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