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Author Topic: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB  (Read 847542 times)
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June 24, 2016, 10:15:00 PM
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Hi, I'm completely new to mining and to using the Eligius Pool, and it was easy enough to get mining. The website and info were great. But I'm still familiarizing myself with things, so apologies if this is a simply answered question.

I've just received an antminer s7 and have it set up and mining on Eligius. I have a question about the stats page. I've got the stats provided from the antminer interface, and it lists the following for the 6+ hours I've been mining on Eligius so far: Elapsed: 6h31m53s  GH/S(5s): 4,948.96   GH/S(avg): 4,563.83

However, on the Eligius stats page it lists Hashrate Average over 3 hours as 2,928.16 Gh/s. I've checked frequently on the antminer interface, and it has had a consistent hashrate in both fields listed above 4,500 GH/s each time I checked.

Why is there such a large disconnect between the average hashrate reported? Are the stats on Eligius just estimating hashrate based on valid shares accepted/submitted and I've simply had bad luck so far? Do I need to run it a bit longer before a more accurate average hashrate is reported?

Eligius's stats are the actual hash rate since they're based on actual valid share submissions.  If your miner's stats differ, then there is likely an issue on your side.  Historically, this has pretty much always been the case when someone describes such a discrepancy.

I poked around and looked for a user that was about 6 hours old with around 3Th/sec and I think I see your user.  I would check your miner's configuration, since as I was looking there was a large gap in submitted shares (over 4 minutes), which suggests some type of load balancing or something else on your end preventing 100% of your miner's work from being submitted to Eligius.  The calculations for the shares actually submitted look correct for what the stats are showing (just below 3Th).
I am impressed with such quick and accurate response wizkid

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June 25, 2016, 07:12:32 AM
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Check the error percent on your S7, it should be below .03%; if not, try a reboot.  If it stays high, that is indicative of a hardware problem and would explain why you are getting less shares successfully submitted than expected.
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June 26, 2016, 12:10:54 AM
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Experiencing some latency on a few pool nodes due to an ongoing DDoS attack.  Working on it.   Angry

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June 26, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
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to be honest , i don't understand what you mean by this
You can confirm if it is a large coinbase causing the issue by trying to mine on P2Pool.  Their coinbase is WAY larger than Eligius's, since I've imposed a size limit on it to better facilitate miners with poor work generation speed.

if it hashes up to speed on Ant's pool or slush's pool which i thought had a bigger coinbase or maybe i don't understand the term bigger coinbase and i usually do, to me that means a large a mount of hashes on your pool, i Guess i just misunderstand that term and probable always have .

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 i tried what you said and it didn't work, i still under hashes on this pool of all the pools i tired it's only on this one I'm not complaining , it doesn't matter thu I'm just waiting for this to go fully live and hope the hash rate goes back up for this pool that will be awesome to see again.

yea  ty for not taking script out of BFG and all im gonna say on that subject .

sorry it took so long getting back , i do other types of mining  Smiley  and stuff with coins .
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June 26, 2016, 12:39:11 PM
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Had an issue with one of the pool servers this morning and it had to be restarted.  Things should be back to normal shortly as load balancing recovers.  Apologies for the bit of short term instability.  I was busy mitigating a DDoS last night and hadn't caught on to the one server having some minor issues.  I'll be working on figuring out why this one machine was having issues in order to prevent it in the future.

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June 26, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
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Hi, I'm completely new to mining and to using the Eligius Pool, and it was easy enough to get mining. The website and info were great. But I'm still familiarizing myself with things, so apologies if this is a simply answered question.

I've just received an antminer s7 and have it set up and mining on Eligius. I have a question about the stats page. I've got the stats provided from the antminer interface, and it lists the following for the 6+ hours I've been mining on Eligius so far: Elapsed: 6h31m53s  GH/S(5s): 4,948.96   GH/S(avg): 4,563.83

However, on the Eligius stats page it lists Hashrate Average over 3 hours as 2,928.16 Gh/s. I've checked frequently on the antminer interface, and it has had a consistent hashrate in both fields listed above 4,500 GH/s each time I checked.

Why is there such a large disconnect between the average hashrate reported? Are the stats on Eligius just estimating hashrate based on valid shares accepted/submitted and I've simply had bad luck so far? Do I need to run it a bit longer before a more accurate average hashrate is reported?

I had somewhat of the same scenario playing out for a while on my Antminer S5 and it turned out to be related to my network connection.  I'm unable to plug my miner directly into a wired internet connection so I was using a wireless bridge....  I honestly don't know the details or the technical explanation as to why communications seemed to be fine on another device behind the same bridge and how the S5 saw completed submissions that didn't seem to be making it to eligius but when I replaced that bridge with one from another company things started working perfectly.  Perhaps it has something to do with the way your internet connection is routing to eligius vs other pools....  I unfortunately don't have any answers but maybe this will help point in the right direction.
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June 27, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
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to be honest , i don't understand what you mean by this
You can confirm if it is a large coinbase causing the issue by trying to mine on P2Pool.  Their coinbase is WAY larger than Eligius's, since I've imposed a size limit on it to better facilitate miners with poor work generation speed.

Eligius and P2Pool are using generated coins to pay to miners. Because of that their first (coinbase) transaction is much bigger than from other pools (Ant and Slush) and if your miner can't handle it well, your actual hashrate is dropping even the miner shows it's OK.

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June 28, 2016, 04:42:25 AM
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Hi everyone,

I know I'm way behind on this refresh project, and it's disappointing.  After a very limited pre-alpha test of some of the new code........ I've ended up working on fully rewriting a lot of that code in an effort to make some aspects of the new system as good as they really should be.  I had reused a lot of things I used in Eligius's CPPSRB implementation with the new code, but it turns out that it's just not as efficient as it can be with the new changes.  The result of that, though, is more time in development.  I think these updates are well worth it, though, but I'm starting to worry it's going to end up just being a little too late to matter by the time I get everything actually up and running.  Undecided  I don't think anyone is going to be disappointed once the new code is done and is up and running publicly... but I'm well aware of the declining user base.  While some miners have left the pool for now in search of better prospects, my hope is that they're keeping an eye on things here and will return once they see the new Eligius. Smiley  Time will tell I suppose.

I wish there were more hours in the day so I could keep up with my normal work and have plenty of time to work on Eligius.  If anyone sees Doc Brown send him my way, will yah?  Grin

Coming along though!

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Unrelated note:  Does anyone have any old miners sitting around collecting dust that they're looking to get rid of?  I'm trying to perhaps use more miners as part of my solar dump load for my off-grid setup, but it doesn't make sense to buy them new, or old hardware for the prices people are trying to sell them for on eBay and such since I'd only be running them for up to 5-10 hours per day and only on good weather days... at best ~25% of normal run-time on average. Basically anything more efficient than BFL era hardware would probably be worthwhile to setup.  I currently have all of my old hardware hooked up for this (about 4Th worth at about ~1.5W/Gh average), but it's not wasting enough power... I need something like 15kW more in waste loads during the peak of the day.  PM or email me if you have any suggestions!  Thanks!

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June 28, 2016, 02:40:38 PM
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Unrelated note:  Does anyone have any old miners sitting around collecting dust that they're looking to get rid of?  I'm trying to perhaps use more miners as part of my solar dump load for my off-grid setup, but it doesn't make sense to buy them new, or old hardware for the prices people are trying to sell them for on eBay and such since I'd only be running them for up to 5-10 hours per day and only on good weather days... at best ~25% of normal run-time on average. Basically anything more efficient than BFL era hardware would probably be worthwhile to setup.  I currently have all of my old hardware hooked up for this (about 4Th worth at about ~1.5W/Gh average), but it's not wasting enough power... I need something like 15kW more in waste loads during the peak of the day.  PM or email me if you have any suggestions!  Thanks!

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June 30, 2016, 12:36:46 AM
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There is something that I am curious about.....  this isn't really a complaint because I know it always seems to catch up but really more of a curiosity.  Frequently I end up at the point where I am right now where my user stats pages shows:

Approximately 0.00000000 BTC remaining to enter payout queue. Maintaining your 3 hour hashrate average, this will take at least another a few seconds at current network difficulty of 209,453,158,595.38.

It's been showing this for at least the past 12 hours and I have previously seen that message for days straight....  my balance seems to increase throughout this but I don't actually enter the payout queue for some time.

As for the updates I am looking forward to them and can certainly appreciate the position your are in wizkid.....   I just want you to know that I am happy to support a pool that is run by someone who is "just like us" in a sense.... so, thanks!  Smiley
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June 30, 2016, 04:33:43 PM
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@wizkid057

Thank you for the continued updates! Keep up the good work! Also, for certain aspects of the site that are not as core that you dont have time on feel free to ask the community for our talent, I bet many of us would write GUI, API's, other code or host servers for you for free.

This is unrelated, however, this does affect myself in where I point some of my miners. In regards to the options, I understand at the moment the only way to use them is to sign a message with the options we want using our miners.

This makes sense, however, I recently moved some of my miners to hashplex facility due to them having a cheaper source of energy. Since I do not have command line access, I cant specify options for these miners.

I could ask the operations staff to see if they could sign a message for me or ask them to create an interface that allows me to sign on their online interface. However, another way for people who do not have full access to there miners would be to be able to just update our options by specifying the same options parameters as the password in connecting to the pool and have it parsed there.

Just curious on your thoughts on this. Anyways, keep up the good work!
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June 30, 2016, 08:24:45 PM
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I have a Bitmine CCD 600GH/s, consumes ~600Watts at the wall.
What's your location?

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July 02, 2016, 10:01:39 PM
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I got 4 x S5 antminers = 4.5 TH sitting on a shelf, but it will only consume around 2.2 kwatts. if ya want them, message me, you can have them if you can pay the shipping from Canada via post i think is the cheapest. If you only need to get rid of power, im sure if you mine to my address, i'll pay the shipping Smiley
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July 10, 2016, 03:27:28 AM
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Can you allow us to assign unique ids to each worker? If I have many workers mining on the same address, I can't break down the stats by workers.
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July 10, 2016, 03:31:41 AM
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July 10, 2016, 08:41:13 AM
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So there is no nmc payouts? or are they going somewhere else? as i have yet to see any or get a answer to that question Sad
It does seem that this pool is strangely unlucky so i say thank you and take my leave from it. o/
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July 10, 2016, 05:30:35 PM
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NMC payouts are done every 1-3 months.  I believe he has to do them manually hence the irregular timing.
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July 12, 2016, 07:07:53 AM
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Hi All,

I just join your pool with 8ths.

I have a question. When pool find the block, do that pay reward right away for miners?
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July 12, 2016, 03:02:15 PM
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Hi All,

I just join your pool with 8ths.

I have a question. When pool find the block, do that pay reward right away for miners?
So long as the conditions (minimum payout, etc) are met, the reward is mined directly to miners.

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July 14, 2016, 05:26:53 AM
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So long as the conditions (minimum payout, etc) are met, the reward is mined directly to miners.
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Ok I have more noob questions Cheesy , is that payment system automatic that when some earning line cross pool will send coins to that adress what miner using? And what is that 120 confirmation, after that pool get that reward and tx fees? I dont still 100% get that CPPSRB payment system. Let's think about situation that pool had a bad luck like last 10 blocks and then miners join the pool after that so is that new miner going to pay shares didnt get paid last blocks? And If pool have good luck so are miners getting paid more than usually or does pool save those extra for future that could pay when is not so good luck? Hopefully you understand my thoughts Smiley

I have been mining in Eligius last three blocks, I guess I came here with good luck Cheesy
483.5%
183.0%
111.2%

EDIT:

Have been mining here since 11.7 (3.75days) and been part of mining power for 4 rewarded blocks.

273.4%
483.5%
183.0%
111.2% (part of that)

So average luck should be ~262%.
My stat page shows:
Estimated Total:    0.02675039 BTC   100.00%.

0.00824840 (calculated daily amount for 7ths with 100% luck)*3.75 (my time in eligius) = 0.0309BTC
So if that stat page is rigth for my earnings it is only 86% what it should be for 7ths with 100% for that period. Pool luck has been 262% average at this time and my actual hashrate in Eligius pool about 7.3ths. So  there was no benefit for good pool luck for me?
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