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Author Topic: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB  (Read 931831 times)
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October 18, 2015, 12:18:30 AM
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#15 (Unknown users) 183.02 Th/s 460225024 1.257%
LOL, that's people mining with an invalid address I think.

= donations.

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October 18, 2015, 12:49:53 AM
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#15 (Unknown users) 183.02 Th/s 460225024 1.257%
LOL, that's people mining with an invalid address I think.

= donations.

That is a lot of TH that someone has an invalid address for. Over 1% of the whole pool, someone should call them lol

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October 18, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
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#15 (Unknown users) 183.02 Th/s 460225024 1.257%
LOL, that's people mining with an invalid address I think.

= donations.
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If you have a way to track these users down, you're welcome to share it.

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October 18, 2015, 01:11:09 AM
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agree but at this pool at this pool "thou shall not steel" has conditions were they can

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October 18, 2015, 01:30:15 AM
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agree but at this pool at this pool "thou shall not steel" has conditions were they can

Well, stealing is stealing - no matter what conditions are attached to it. It's also a very effective way to piss a lot of people off, which is bad for any pool, and why I am leaving.
When someone you have no way to identify gives you some free work, it would be foolish to let that go to waste. How is that "stealing" ?

For all we know, they could be mining with no address or some made up name as an address, which makes it impossible to credit a particular address with the rewarded shares.


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October 18, 2015, 01:38:13 AM
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 I have mined close to 20 BTC here and i am still waiting for mmc pay out, according to picked namecoind is broken been broken for almost a year, whats is odd about that that all the other polls that offer merged mining have been managing to pay their miner nmc coins, pps is pay per share submitted not when blocks are solved or pool luck, cppsrb= hedging coins for profit  Grin

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October 18, 2015, 01:41:09 AM
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#15 (Unknown users) 183.02 Th/s 460225024 1.257%
LOL, that's people mining with an invalid address I think.

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If you have a way to track these users down, you're welcome to share it.

On my pool we don't keep users connected with invalid connection details so we can steal their mining power = BTC.
Invalid address miners are not allowed to mine.

Well it looks like whoever it is figured it out.  I agree though, this should be prevented.  With that kind of hashrate it's an expensive mistake.

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October 18, 2015, 01:44:04 AM
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and i hope the person don't expect to get paid by the pool as stated earlier in this thread wrong credentials = donations to pool

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October 18, 2015, 01:44:37 AM
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Then the pool should not accept invalid credentials, it should reject them immediately so that the user knows that their configuration is incorrect - not keep their hard earned coins as "donations". It's dishonest. It's stealing.
Who says anything about "invalid credentials" ? If there is no address or no meaningful address for payment, it can legitimately assumed that the mined shares are fair game. Otherwise, somewhere, electricity will have been used in pure waste.

When you find a coin somewhere on a street with no way to know whose pocket it fell from, you might as well keep it and it's not "stealing" either.

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October 18, 2015, 01:44:49 AM
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but fret not tomorrow church day Grin

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October 18, 2015, 01:47:44 AM
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Well it looks like whoever it is figured it out.  I agree though, this should be prevented.  With that kind of hashrate it's an expensive mistake.
There is always a residue of unknown addresses. At one point, part of my miners had a configuration mistake and I contributed quite a bit in this manner.   Grin
No big deal, sooner or later you notice, fix your mistake and that's it. At least, meanwhile, the shares will not have been processed in vain.

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October 18, 2015, 01:48:24 AM
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don't drop your wallet,its fair game Grin

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October 18, 2015, 01:49:49 AM
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so steeling is fair game, because i assure you that the pool knows that miners ip address and the mac address of the modem and the account name and address
There is no account name and address on Eligius, as for the mac address of the modem, I'm curious to know by which mechanism it survives the transit through the ISP gateway etc.

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October 18, 2015, 02:00:14 AM
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so steeling is fair game, because i assure you that the pool knows that miners ip address and the mac address of the modem and the account name and address
There is no account name and address on Eligius, as for the mac address of the modem, I'm curious to know by which mechanism it survives the transit through the ISP gateway etc.

every packet sent over the internet is traceable back to the point of origin, it is not like in the movies its real life.

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October 18, 2015, 02:04:20 AM
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every packet sent over the internet is traceable back to the point of origin, it is not like in the movies its real life.
Show me where the MAC address of the "point of origin" is stored after the first hop...

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October 18, 2015, 02:08:34 AM
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I have made purchases online and i have been given my ip address and my mac address, nothing is anonymous on the www

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October 18, 2015, 02:09:30 AM
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anonymity is a big lie

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October 18, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
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PS, all pool operators know who is connected to their pools,the operators simple machines know, and if someone sells their bitcoins for cash the bank knows who the players are in detail

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October 18, 2015, 02:57:21 AM
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If someone is dropping money on the street, it isn't the job of whoever finds it to hunt them down even if it is possible.

As for rejecting connections, that might be a reasonable thing to do now, but back when I started Eligius it was expensive (computationally) since you'd need to check it every work request.
Since that time, people have been using invalid usernames to intentionally donate.
And as others have mentioned, it's not like rejecting the connections is going to benefit anybody.

Additionally, it's clearly documented on the website that invalid usernames are handled in this way.
People need to take responsibility for their own mistakes, rather than look for an opportunity to blame someone else.

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October 18, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
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Wow, some of you are a little nuts.  Cleaned up this thread a little bit.  The accusations of stealing based on a well established policy are a bit absurd, and honestly I don't want to hear it.

The invalid address = donations to the pool is documented and has been this way since day one.  Well established behavior.  It's also a way for people to directly donate to the pool with hash power.  I've seen invalid usernames of "wizkid057_needs_a_vacation" and all sorts of witty invalid user names over the years.  I've also seen some where someone accidentally added a character to a bitcoin address or otherwise made an honest mistake setting up a miner.

When someone screws up and does this unintentionally, and it's obvious, and they contact me along with some kind of proof (username they used + IP they used is generally enough for me in these cases, on a case by case) I'm pretty easy going about it.  It's not a huge deal.  Now when someone complains about it, and after spending time manually going through the database to calculate what they've mined and it turns out to be an insignificant sum.... sorry, you're just SOL and I'm just not going to waste any further time on it.  If you've been mining for days at 200 Th/sec or something with an extra character on the end of your address, I'll take the the time to calculate things and manually send the earnings.  Just don't waste my time on it if you messed up and mined for a short period on the wrong username.  Just fix it and move on.

I'm not going to implement valid address/worker name checking in the pool software.  It's not worth the time and effort when there are plenty of other things I can dedicate my time to.

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