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Author Topic: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB  (Read 849082 times)
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December 01, 2015, 04:08:47 AM
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I think the question is: at what point do you change it?
Each share is within a network block, so each share should be valued as per the network block it was mining.
Thus the value should of course be at the point when the share was submitted.
(that's what I use on my shifts page - I also break shifts at a diff change to avoid having to resolve that issue)

Change the value of a share?  It's based on the difficulty derived from the bits field of the actual share submitted, actually, so every share is perfectly valued for the work it was done for.

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December 01, 2015, 07:58:46 AM
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A share is saved in the CPPSRB share log as work_difficulty/network_difficulty.  This is applied to the block subsidy, currently 25 BTC.  So 25*(work_difficulty/network_difficulty) currently.


I love this pool. Thanks wizkid057.

I have a question about the payout. So, let's say the pool was lucky more than once, and paid all the share logs. and, let's say the pool kept doing well, and maintained being lucky +100% five or six times in a row or even more. Now, where does all the remaining balance of the reward go? I mean, is it possible that the miners get more rewards for their shares similar to PPLNS in lucky rounds if their is a remaining balance?
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December 01, 2015, 03:05:12 PM
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A share is saved in the CPPSRB share log as work_difficulty/network_difficulty.  This is applied to the block subsidy, currently 25 BTC.  So 25*(work_difficulty/network_difficulty) currently.


I love this pool. Thanks wizkid057.

I have a question about the payout. So, let's say the pool was lucky more than once, and paid all the share logs. and, let's say the pool kept doing well, and maintained being lucky +100% five or six times in a row or even more. Now, where does all the remaining balance of the reward go? I mean, is it possible that the miners get more rewards for their shares similar to PPLNS in lucky rounds if their is a remaining balance?

If the pool gets super lucky and pays off the entire share log so that there are zero shelved shares, then any excess earned from blocks that pay miners 100% PPS is kept in a buffer as sort of a rainy day fund.  While things continue, when the pool finds a block that was in an unlucky round the pool taps that buffer to still pay miners 100% PPS until that buffer is depleted, effectively overpaying miners for those rounds.

In no cases does the pool end up with anything extra to keep for itself or anything, it all gets paid to miners.

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December 01, 2015, 03:20:38 PM
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I am glad that you have become more proactive in the daily concerns of the pool

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December 01, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
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I am glad that you have become more proactive in the daily concerns of the pool

I have slightly more time available than I did a few months ago, so using a lot of that for crossing some Eligius related items off of my mile-long TODO list. Smiley

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December 02, 2015, 08:38:10 AM
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I'd like to mine at eleguis but your pool give me a very low hashrate.

Your pool only hands me out work with a difficulty of 4.1K and i get a hashrate of about 6.8TH

But on antpool that give me work from 16.4K to 32.8K diff i get about 8.76TH

See here:

http://imgur.com/a/SFaA2

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December 02, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
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I'd like to mine at eleguis but your pool give me a very low hashrate.

Your pool only hands me out work with a difficulty of 4.1K and i get a hashrate of about 6.8TH

But on antpool that give me work from 16.4K to 32.8K diff i get about 8.76TH

See here:

http://imgur.com/a/SFaA2

Interesting.  I just looked up your pool side stats for the worker in your image to get some data.

Your 7.7 Th/sec rated S5 Plus mined on Eligius for a total of 10 minutes 39 seconds in total submitting 1,161,728 difficulty 1 equivalent shares.  That comes out to 7,808,425,300,230 hashes per second, or 7.8 Th/sec, as seen by the pool for your worker in that time period.  This includes the time spent mining on difficulty 512 shares.

However, once your miner adjusted to difficulty 4096 (the appropriate difficulty to get meaningful stats for your machine) your average hash rate went up slightly.  You submitted 1,077,248 of those above shares in 9 minutes 37 seconds, or about 8 Th/sec over that time period.

So, basically your average hash rate was stabilizing, but you disconnected long before any meaningful stats could be realized... and interestingly took your screenshot 94 seconds earlier than your antpool screenshot, exaggerating this further (not saying this was on purpose).  Further, Eligius's share difficulty is lower, and thus results in more accurate stats over shorter periods.  I can pretty much guarantee your long term hash rate average at both pools would be much closer to your machine's rated 7.7 Th/sec.

Long story short:  10 minutes of stats are nearly useless.  Mine for at least a day on each pool and then let me know.  Pretty sure your results will be within a reasonable margin of error of each other (normal variance).  Variance over only 10 minutes with these high difficulty shares can be pretty high and skew stats by huge margins.  Even with that said, the results from your 10 minutes of mining on Eligius look completely normal for your hardware.

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December 02, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
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Hey thanks for taking the time to look into it, my miner is overclocked from the stock freqs i was lucky and got a really good unit. The machined has mined for 30 days solid on antpool and i can assure you it averages 8.76TH.
Heres a picture http://imgur.com/lxc94q6


I have mined before on your pool, but i know for sure last time i tried your pool i switched back because of this   issue and i never bothered contacting you. ill move my miner over and post here again tommorow and you can have a look.

Thanks again i appreciate you taking the time to investigate.

Edit* the miner is now pointed at your pool and will be for the next bit so you can see what i mean with the low hash. (19yFw8qdYsfD4TJNZbeg3onHhifDfia8ks)

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December 03, 2015, 12:55:24 AM
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Yeah i get about 7,214.68 GH avg......1.56 TH less than on other pools

https://imgur.com/JMsXO7Q
https://imgur.com/1DbPGpW

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December 03, 2015, 01:05:01 AM
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Yeah i get about 7,214.68 GH avg......1.56 TH less than on other pools

https://imgur.com/JMsXO7Q
https://imgur.com/1DbPGpW

That looks interesting - would you mind to switch to another pool, Slush, for example, and post your results from this pool?
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December 03, 2015, 01:08:29 AM
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Yeah i get about 7,214.68 GH avg......1.56 TH less than on other pools

https://imgur.com/JMsXO7Q
https://imgur.com/1DbPGpW

That looks interesting - would you mind to switch to another pool, Slush, for example, and post your results from this pool?
Indeed this is interesting, I think it would be useful to do at least 12-24 hours to see how the variance levels out.

For myself, I've found my 3 hour averages will swing a bit, but the 12 hour ones more closely track a local p2pool node (which is about as close to "I control everything" as it gets :-)
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December 03, 2015, 01:44:10 AM
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Yeah i get about 7,214.68 GH avg......1.56 TH less than on other pools

https://imgur.com/JMsXO7Q
https://imgur.com/1DbPGpW

That looks interesting - would you mind to switch to another pool, Slush, for example, and post your results from this pool?
Indeed this is interesting, I think it would be useful to do at least 12-24 hours to see how the variance levels out.

For myself, I've found my 3 hour averages will swing a bit, but the 12 hour ones more closely track a local p2pool node (which is about as close to "I control everything" as it gets :-)
Not much point comparing it to p2pool since you are assuming the miner display is correct.

What you'd need to do is actually look at the pool display of what it accepted over the time period.
P2pool's stales will show that low anyway.

In cgminer I have the easy way to actually verify those numbers, my S1/S2/S3 versions display it on the web page, but it's easy to calculate.

I call it "GH/S(paid)"
It's simply the accepted shares over the elapsed time mining - which is what the pool will actually pay you no matter what numbers you see anywhere.

i.e. from the summary API it would: 2^32*"Difficulty Accepted"/"Elapsed"
would be your actual pool accepted hash rate (per second)
Of course divide it by 10^9 to get "GH/S(paid)"
Then as long as you are only getting Accepted shares from one pool, you know your performance on the pool.

Of course, yes you need to run it for quite a few hours to reduce variance.
12 should be enough Smiley

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December 03, 2015, 02:39:44 AM
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Well, still not a substantially long run, but honestly I have no idea what the issue is.  Nothing odd on the pool side, and others run S5+'s on Eligius without issues (which means the work difficulty isn't a factor).  So, very strange.  I really have no explanation.

I did try dropping the full coinbase transaction on the node your miner was connected to for a bit to see if maybe the large coinbase was causing a slow down (used to be a problem on some old ASIC hardware that caused issues with Eligius and p2pool), but doesn't appear to have made a difference.  With the coinbase transaction dropped to a 1tx coinbase you were literally mining work that would be the same as any other pool (besides p2pool).  So, I'm at a complete loss for what the issue would be.  I still have a feeling there is some misreporting happening somewhere.

Honestly, if you're *actually* getting more hash rate for some reason on another pool and being paid more based on that, by all means mine there.  No hard feelings here.  Makes no sense to me why there would be a difference, but hey, do what you have to do.  I really just have a feeling there is something weird at play with your hardware one way or another, but without actually tinkering with it I really don't know what the issue could be.

If you want to mess around with it anymore, tomorrow some time I can setup a test node just for you (you'll still get work credit and all) that has a higher default work difficulty.  That's really the only variable I can see different between the pools at this point, even though the normal difficulty settings work fine for everyone else.

I would also be curious to how you stats look on other pools besides antpool.

Also, I do appreciate the opportunity to help troubleshoot.

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December 03, 2015, 11:00:13 AM
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Eligius pays nmc? I do not receive any nmc.
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December 03, 2015, 05:42:45 PM
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Eligius pays nmc? I do not receive any nmc.
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NMC payout is manual and happens every few weeks. That's not much anyway, so don't hold your breath.

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December 03, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
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Well, still not a substantially long run, but honestly I have no idea what the issue is.  Nothing odd on the pool side, and others run S5+'s on Eligius without issues (which means the work difficulty isn't a factor).  So, very strange.  I really have no explanation.

I did try dropping the full coinbase transaction on the node your miner was connected to for a bit to see if maybe the large coinbase was causing a slow down (used to be a problem on some old ASIC hardware that caused issues with Eligius and p2pool), but doesn't appear to have made a difference.  With the coinbase transaction dropped to a 1tx coinbase you were literally mining work that would be the same as any other pool (besides p2pool).  So, I'm at a complete loss for what the issue would be.  I still have a feeling there is some misreporting happening somewhere.

Honestly, if you're *actually* getting more hash rate for some reason on another pool and being paid more based on that, by all means mine there.  No hard feelings here.  Makes no sense to me why there would be a difference, but hey, do what you have to do.  I really just have a feeling there is something weird at play with your hardware one way or another, but without actually tinkering with it I really don't know what the issue could be.

If you want to mess around with it anymore, tomorrow some time I can setup a test node just for you (you'll still get work credit and all) that has a higher default work difficulty.  That's really the only variable I can see different between the pools at this point, even though the normal difficulty settings work fine for everyone else.

I would also be curious to how you stats look on other pools besides antpool.

Also, I do appreciate the opportunity to help troubleshoot.

I like your pool and would like to mine at it if you could setup a test node i would really appreciate it maybe one at 16.4K and another at 32.8k?


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December 03, 2015, 05:56:16 PM
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Eligius pays nmc? I do not receive any nmc.
Thank you

*starts to regret re-adding an NMC merged mining option...*

NMC payouts are done infrequently, manually, and basically amount to something like $0.05-$0.10 worth of NMC for most miners that do reach the NMC payout threshold (0.1NMC).

Bluntly, it's just not a priority, and I'll get to it eventually, I promise.  Even overpaying miners by using the lowest NMC difficulty since the last payout like I do, the actual value in NMC most miners end up with is still basically nothing.  It really is almost useless to bother these days, especially with NMC worth so much less than BTC and their difficulties not far off.

I like your pool and would like to mine at it if you could setup a test node i would really appreciate it maybe one at 16.4K and another at 32.8k?

Thanks.  Give me a few hours to finish up some things I'm working on, and I'll get some stuff setup.

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December 03, 2015, 08:25:56 PM
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Eligius pays nmc? I do not receive any nmc.
Thank you

*starts to regret re-adding an NMC merged mining option...*

NMC payouts are done infrequently, manually, and basically amount to something like $0.05-$0.10 worth of NMC for most miners that do reach the NMC payout threshold (0.1NMC).

Bluntly, it's just not a priority, and I'll get to it eventually, I promise.  Even overpaying miners by using the lowest NMC difficulty since the last payout like I do, the actual value in NMC most miners end up with is still basically nothing.  It really is almost useless to bother these days, especially with NMC worth so much less than BTC and their difficulties not far off.

I like your pool and would like to mine at it if you could setup a test node i would really appreciate it maybe one at 16.4K and another at 32.8k?

Thanks.  Give me a few hours to finish up some things I'm working on, and I'll get some stuff setup.


yeah even after just 10 mins on slush's pool at 16.4k min difficulty

https://imgur.com/80IOfGo

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December 03, 2015, 11:54:04 PM
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Eligius pays nmc? I do not receive any nmc.
Thank you

*starts to regret re-adding an NMC merged mining option...*

NMC payouts are done infrequently, manually, and basically amount to something like $0.05-$0.10 worth of NMC for most miners that do reach the NMC payout threshold (0.1NMC).

Bluntly, it's just not a priority, and I'll get to it eventually, I promise.  Even overpaying miners by using the lowest NMC difficulty since the last payout like I do, the actual value in NMC most miners end up with is still basically nothing.  It really is almost useless to bother these days, especially with NMC worth so much less than BTC and their difficulties not far off.

I like your pool and would like to mine at it if you could setup a test node i would really appreciate it maybe one at 16.4K and another at 32.8k?

Thanks.  Give me a few hours to finish up some things I'm working on, and I'll get some stuff setup.


yeah even after just 10 mins on slush's pool at 16.4k min difficulty

https://imgur.com/80IOfGo

Sorry, I've gotten held up with some issues unrelated to Eligius today, and I'm going to have to put off test server setup until tomorrow. Sad

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December 04, 2015, 01:21:14 AM
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no worries mind just sending me a pm when you do so i get an email and you didn't do it in vain, i typically dont check this forum too often.

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