#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[Peeps Place]

BTCsportsmatch and BTCsportsbet are thieves.

They stole 8btc from me which was well documented on SBR and elsewhere.

Maybe Raiders can contact them on my behalf since they wouldnt reply to anyone else.   

  I think their lips are sealed. I'll go find your case on SBR and post it. Your case played a major role in the ratings.

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[Peeps Place]

BTCSportsBet, Bitcoin Sportsbook, yet to comment on stealing $6,700
By: SBR | Tuesday, January 14, 2014

BTCSportsBet, the Bitcoin sportsbook which was the subject of SBR's advisory video report Friday, has declined comment to SBR since the report's publication. BTCSportsBet refused to pay 8 BTC (valued at $6,700 at the time) in winnings from four wagers. The wagers were placed at valid market odds and were not entered late.

BTCSportsBet has claimed to be the largest and oldest sportsbook of its kind - an assertion that has been rejected by at least one bitcoin betting reviews site.

"They are definitely not the biggest, that is bitbook. I never affiliated with them as they did not look like a good option for players compared to the top places," the site manager noted on condition of anonymity.

BTCSportsBet's web server resolves to Germany, although no public address or even headquarters location is made available through their website. The transaction wallet is proprietary software coded in PHP and JSON. The betting software used to display lines and accept wagers is unknown but presumed to also be proprietary.

A standard wager ticket appears as following on the BTCSportsBet website:



SBR welcomes feedback from readers who might have information on the betting software being used by BTCSportsBet.

BTCSportsBet, bitcoin sportsbook, steals $6,700 in player winnings is the complaint cited in this article. Prior to this publication, BTCSportsBet traded a few contentiously worded messages with SBR suggesting that their reputation within the bitcoin community was strong enough to overcome any PR damage caused by the report. That theory has already been put to test as the player who was shorted $6,700 has aired his grievance at BitCoinTalk.org, a forum BTC Sports Bet previously advertised their service in.

Watch the SBR video concerning the winnings theft:


SBR is in the process of creating a bitcoin section on Sportsbook Review.com. BTC Sports Bet has been added to the SBR Sportsbook Blacklist at the mark of F.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr-news/btcsportsbet-bitcoin-sportsbook-yet-comment-stealing-6-700-6087/

[Peeps Place]

BTCSportsmatch is very tough to rate. The book side, that is no longer in existence, stole 8 BTC from booslock. Personally, I don't like to give a book a mulligan. That said, there has been strong support for the exchange from very credible posters. BTCSports has not had any problems on the exchange side.

I don't like the idea of my offer being accepted at a different price. Some posters feel that the positives out weigh this negative. The majority always wins when rating books. One great thing that has happened here is that there has been enough poster feedback that the players have a lot of information at their disposal without solely relying on a grade.

[FUR11]

BTCSportsmatch is very tough to rate. The book side, that is no longer in existence, stole 8 BTC from booslock. Personally, I don't like to give a book a mulligan. That said, there has been strong support for the exchange from very credible posters. BTCSports has not had any problems on the exchange side.

Is it the same company?  Then one side is liable for what the other side has done.

[Peeps Place]

BTCSportsmatch is very tough to rate. The book side, that is no longer in existence, stole 8 BTC from booslock. Personally, I don't like to give a book a mulligan. That said, there has been strong support for the exchange from very credible posters. BTCSports has not had any problems on the exchange side.

Is it the same company?  Then one side is liable for what the other side has done.

Yes and I agree. They recently shut down the sportsbook side.

[Peeps Place]

Coinbet made some changes. Their layout is great and user friendly.

[Cloudbet]

Books- I don't want to take this thread too far off course but the NCAA tournament is right around the corner and the following may be of interest to players:

1. Are you taking bets on the individual games? sides, totals, props?
2. What are the limits?
3. Will you have live betting?

Hi Peeps Place,

1. We are taking bets on almost every game, including sides, totals, and props. In fact, we're looking at adding some pretty exciting new props. Our NBA "race to 20 points" markets have been extremely popular.

2. Our NCAA limits will be up to 13.5 BTC.

3. Yes - of course! It doesn't get any more exciting than live betting.

Thanks for your continued excellent work here.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

You need some derivatives up there.  I never see any 1h NBA totals, for example.

What markets would you like to see? We can see about introducing more derivatives.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[goxcraft]

Cloudbet, DirectBet, DarkBet,  CoinBet, Casinobitcoin, Betcoinsports, Bitcoinsport – these are not the best names from a marketing point of view. They have almost completely the same names so that it is easy to mix them up. They all are quite confusing and have a similarly poor interface.  Most of them have a horrible loading time. The notable exception is Nitrogen and was BitBook. New projects must pay more attention to branding and visibility.

[Cloudbet]

We have a cloud! An actual cloud!

His name is MacGyver.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[Cloudbet]

Cloudbet, DirectBet, DarkBet,  CoinBet, Casinobitcoin, Betcoinsports, Bitcoinsport – these are not the best names from a marketing point of view. They have almost completely the same names so that it is easy to mix them up. They all are quite confusing and have a similarly poor interface.  Most of them have a horrible loading time. The notable exception is Nitrogen and was BitBook. New projects must pay more attention to branding and visibility.

We'd be very interested in any interface feedback you have. Please do send us a message.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[goxcraft]

We have a cloud! An actual cloud!

His name is MacGyver.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

Yes, you do have a Cloud but it’s not yours – it’s Bettingpromotion’s Cloud, the cheapest working sportsbetting solution available on the market now. You haven’t even tried to change the standard layout and to order a normal logo. Your acid green grass on the background is – go blind! I wouldn’t open account in your sportsbook more than 0.001 BTC, as you cannot trust the startup which saves money on everything. Regarding your buggy Casino and ugly live dealers you can read a lot on your thread. I can only add that your Casino is powered by one of the cheapest providers.

[waylon james]

What markets would you like to see? We can see about introducing more derivatives.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

Player props is what I want to see, kind of like the Greek has for every NBA and MLB game.

[boosblock]

Books- I don't want to take this thread too far off course but the NCAA tournament is right around the corner and the following may be of interest to players:

1. Are you taking bets on the individual games? sides, totals, props?
2. What are the limits?
3. Will you have live betting?

Hi Peeps Place,

1. We are taking bets on almost every game, including sides, totals, and props. In fact, we're looking at adding some pretty exciting new props. Our NBA "race to 20 points" markets have been extremely popular.

2. Our NCAA limits will be up to 13.5 BTC.

3. Yes - of course! It doesn't get any more exciting than live betting.

Thanks for your continued excellent work here.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

You need some derivatives up there.  I never see any 1h NBA totals, for example.

What markets would you like to see? We can see about introducing more derivatives.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

I'd like to see 1h/2h spreads/totals for all basketball, both nba and cbb.

[BetVIP]

We have a cloud! An actual cloud!

His name is MacGyver.

Cheers,
Cloudbet

Yes, you do have a Cloud but it’s not yours – it’s Bettingpromotion’s Cloud, the cheapest working sportsbetting solution available on the market now. You haven’t even tried to change the standard layout and to order a normal logo. Your acid green grass on the background is – go blind! I wouldn’t open account in your sportsbook more than 0.001 BTC, as you cannot trust the startup which saves money on everything. Regarding your buggy Casino and ugly live dealers you can read a lot on your thread. I can only add that your Casino is powered by one of the cheapest providers.

Hi Goxcraft,

We are a new professional sportsbook run by Bitcoin enthusiasts but more importantly ex-fiat bookmakers. What do you think of our site and brand name?

Kind regards,
BetVIP Support

[goxcraft]

Firstly about CoinBet.

CoinBet is a quite misleading book, which does not deserve rate B.

CoinBet has a terrible loading time. It seems that they do not have any CEO specialist in their team or if they do, these specialists are not competent at all.

CoinBet has a very limited bet offer. At this point they mislead us when hiding their poor bet offer by showing, for example, +220 next to the betting lines, as if they provide additional 220 bets. Actually they show us the number of different outcomes – 1X2 etc. With normal bookmakers this number corresponds to the side bets of the same event. 

Despite having slogan “Bet Safely, Bet Securely, Bet Anonymously”, the option “Anonymous mode” does not work, which is again misleading.

CoinBet deceives us, directly or indirectly, by presenting a lot of Payment systems in the footnote, while actually there is only one available – Bitcoin.

In their FAQ is stated “CoinBet holds its gaming licenses and permits in Costa Rica.” They again failed in formulation. Actually, Costa Rica does not issue any gambling license. Data processing license is the only thing you can get from Costa Rica, which allows you to connect different Payment systems. All Costa Rican companies are self-regulated. And in case of dispute arises user cannot rely on the help of any regulatory body.

[KGambler]

BTCSportsmatch is very tough to rate. The book side, that is no longer in existence, stole 8 BTC from booslock. Personally, I don't like to give a book a mulligan. That said, there has been strong support for the exchange from very credible posters. BTCSports has not had any problems on the exchange side.

I don't like the idea of my offer being accepted at a different price. Some posters feel that the positives out weigh this negative. The majority always wins when rating books. One great thing that has happened here is that there has been enough poster feedback that the players have a lot of information at their disposal without solely relying on a grade.

I agree that a book with an un-addressed payout dispute should have its (negative) rating frozen until the issue is addressed.

Back when I saw the un-addressed complaint about BTCSportsbet on SBR, I contacted the owner of BTCSportsmatch (BTCSM).  On BTCSM you can chat with other users who are logged in.  I opened a chat with him and asked him what was going on with that complaint.  He said he didn't know because he had sold his ownership stake in BTCSportsbet about 2-3 years ago (I am going off memory, can't remember exactly how long he said it had been) and no longer had any connection to the site.  He said he did hear about the complaint but that he didn't personally put much stock in it because he knew the new owners had a good reputation even before they had purchased the site.

I didn't even realize that BTCSportsbet had recently closed shop until reading about it in this thread.  It's pretty damning they never addressed the issue and then closed.

I think BTCSportsmatch should comment here on bitcointalk.  I understand if they are trying to keep a low profile (for legal reasons).  I understand if they want to ignore SBR, who outright refused to review them back in the day because SBR couldn't figure out how BTC worked (SBR still says BTC is a fad and no BTC book will exist within a couple of years, although they now say they will review BTC books soon).  I don't see any reason they shouldn't comment on this issue on bitcointalk though.

[CoinBet]

Goxcraft, perhaps you completely missed the fact, despite it being posted everywhere and even sent out to our players, that we are in the final stages of completely overhauling our entire site and platform. Be patient, improvements take time and Rome wasn't built in a day. We are, as we speak, reintroducing many of our features and options, but we have to do so one at a time.. it's not like we can just flip a switch and be done. Everything has to be tested, make sure it works with other parts of our site, make sure it works with the new platform, then rolled out slowly and surely. For example, we rolled out a whole bunch of changes to the front end appearance of our NHL and NBA lines just last night and are getting great responses to the new look. Like I said, please be patient.

As far as your other beef, are you, a bitcoin enthusiast, actually complaining about not having government oversight or regulation? That's kind of ironic and disappointing, TBH. I think the community does a fine job of regulating itself, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not even going to say anything further about that.

As we've said before, if you'd like to lend your feedback to the development process as we roll out version 2.0 of our platform, we'd love to have your input if you want to send your thoughts to support@coinbet.cc

[Cloudbet]

Regarding your buggy Casino and ugly live dealers you can read a lot on your thread.

It's a shame you feel that way because one of our dealers - Natalya - just told me she thought you were cute!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[Cloudbet]

Yes, you do have a Cloud but it’s not yours – it’s Bettingpromotion’s Cloud, the cheapest working sportsbetting solution available on the market now. You haven’t even tried to change the standard layout and to order a normal logo. Your acid green grass on the background is – go blind! I wouldn’t open account in your sportsbook more than 0.001 BTC, as you cannot trust the startup which saves money on everything. Regarding your buggy Casino and ugly live dealers you can read a lot on your thread. I can only add that your Casino is powered by one of the cheapest providers.

We are working on expanding our product offering, improving each of our products, and improving our interface. Thanks for your feedback!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[goxcraft]

Bitcoinlivebets

Guys from Germany are absolutely green; they know nothing about gambling business. Their site was an arbers’ paradise.  Sure bets profit ran up to 20% and they were brave enough to accept bets of BTC 30 and more on such events! Each could get a no-risk profit of BTC 6 from one single bet.  And of course they ran out of money…

They made up some kind of mythical statistics and are selling their company’s shares, being the only buyers most probably. A reasonable person, even being deadly drunk, will never throw his money in that way!

They borrowed money and in 2 months paid off debts to their users, good guys! They managed to find more money to change their odds data provider. They are behaving like small children crying all around the forum – that soon all will be fine with both withdrawals and software – not understanding that to integrate new Feed qualitatively, having 2 IT persons as a maximum it is a 3-4 months task for pre-live bets and plus the same time for in-play.

In addition, they don’t see again that their site is full of sure bets and, as a result, abounds in arbitragers. Odds monitoring service is a rather expensive thing – they definitely cannot afford that.

I’ll say nothing about Bitcoinlivebets’ interface, it’s just porn!!!

Peeps, how could you rate Bitcoinlivebets as C-?

Bitcoinlivebets has maximum 4-6 months left; it’s just a death agony!

Bicoinlivebets - prove me that I am wrong! If you show me that you owe at least BTC 50 I will apologize and take my words away.

They started to place ad banners in their website to earn money – what a joke bookie!

They included some more languages that actually must be called Google translated Monkey Languages! Would better they not….

How couldn’t people notice the obvious, hey Peeps?!