The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa

[JollyGood]

Thank you for the post Coinfan, I knew you would come back fighting and would not give in to the attempts to silence and intimidate you by the Rock Trading scammers. They have the audacity to make attempt to create a diversion from the real facts and make up nonsense stories against you just because their reputation is in the gutter. In the eyes of many Rock Trading is a tiny little exchange waiting to selective scam its users but if they want this mindset to change they have return your funds to you in crypto directly to your wallet then they might start to redeem themselves.

All users are advised to stay well away from Rock Trading otherwise your funds are at risk of being selectively scammed just like the OP.

Absolute trash!

We will see what Coinfan will say when they next log in here and read the rubbish you posted which not so co-incidentally occurred after your little Rock Trading raised 1.5M euro in fundraising from investors that have no idea about the evidence all pointing to selective scamming from a tiny little exchange that will never become a big player.

In the end, you are the one who lost out because outside the small circle of investors that some inexplicable reasons handed you 1.5m euro, the reputation of this exchange is in the gutter where it belongs and all because you refused to payout 35,000+ euro to the person that was the rightful owner by making pointless excuses. You could have released the funds back in crypto from wallet to wallet but you used that whole fiat bank transfer drama to create a diversion and cite all sorts of nonsense about real identity

You deserve a special place in hell for what you did to the OP, you made every effort to make it impossible for the OP to get their funds back and all the evidence is in this thread is starting from the first page and then it becomes clear you held on to those funds as a grudge after your trashy little exchange got exposed for selective scamming the OP.

Of course, he could never find a lawyer to write this. He incriminates himself. The text has several lies very easily proven, that I will detailed with more time.

You are right on the spot. He found the crazy courage to do this precisely because of the 1.5 million he managed to raise by hiding all his legal problems (lets not forget also the Bitgrail case, that I don't know about how it's going). Probably, the crowdfunding site Opstart refused to give him the money until he solved this.

Having to decide between my 35500 euro and the 1,5 million, he obviously opted for the second amount.

It's not clear if he sent also the email connected to the account with the money. I'm expecting the police will contact before dismisses this ridiculous complaint. At least because of the amount involved.

I hope the Police won't ignore this, as the prosecutor office of Genoa did about the denunciation against them made on 2019.

He will answer criminally for what he done. And he still has the pending case with the Italian Garante of Privacy, beside the several complaints sent to the Italian Organismo Agenti e Mediatori.

[Coinfan]

Thank you, Jollygood, for your continuous support.

The Rock CFO assured that he won't see the money from Opstart.it.

Beside denouncing his own actions on this case (of course, he hided the most damaging ones) to the police, he dared write blatant lies!! (more on this in due time)!

But he also denounced to the police and to the public that Opstart.it knows about all of this. He just informed all investors that Opstart.it knew.

I bet he didn't ask for permission from Opstart to write this on the "complaint". This is basically a betrayal of his own partner Opstart.

After trying to hide all his "legal problems" from Opstart, now he does also this. Opstart would have to be crazy to give him the money and risk law suits from the investors.
 

[eliale]

Thank you, Jollygood, for your continuous support.

The Rock CFO assured that he won't see the money from Opstart.it.

Beside denouncing his own actions on this case (of course, he hided the most damaging ones) to the police, he dared write blatant lies!! (more on this in due time)!

But he also denounced to the police and to the public that Opstart.it knows about all of this. He just informed all investors that Opstart.it knew.

I bet he didn't ask for permission from Opstart to write this on the "complaint". This is basically a betrayal of his own partner Opstart.

After trying to hide all his "legal problems" from Opstart, now he does also this. Opstart would have to be crazy to give him the money and risk law suits from the investors.
 

Good morning,

some clarifications regarding the campaign with Opstart:

1) We confirm that Opstart has received at least a couple of emails  obviously anonymous  written in the confused style attributable to Coinfan
2) Opstart, as it should be, asked us for clarification to which we have given an answer
3) The legal department of Opstart closed the case, not finding a legal valid reason to open a dispute
4) Opstart is fully aware of our legal procedure against Coinfan
5) The Opstart campaign continued regularly and ended on October 30th (11 days before our complaint) without any reservations towards our Holding.

Thanks

[JollyGood]

There is a special place in hell for those types of people that cause so much pain and suffering to others and seemingly enjoy watching. I am in no doubt whatsoever that one day this pathetic little Rock Trading will be shut down by the authorities because of legal requests from multiple jurisdictions and the people controlling the company will have to answer questions after being arrested.

In the end one thing is for sure, Coinfan will get their crypto returned which at the time of being scammed was over 35,000 euro and whether that happens after stubborn petty little spoilt brat eliale willingly returns it with an apology (or is forced to do it after being humiliated in the Court and is instructed to do it), Coinfan will get their funds back.

Thank you, Jollygood, for your continuous support.

The Rock CFO assured that he won't see the money from Opstart.it.

Beside denouncing his own actions on this case (of course, he hided the most damaging ones) to the police, he dared write blatant lies!! (more on this in due time)!

But he also denounced to the police and to the public that Opstart.it knows about all of this. He just informed all investors that Opstart.it knew.

I bet he didn't ask for permission from Opstart to write this on the "complaint". This is basically a betrayal of his own partner Opstart.

After trying to hide all his "legal problems" from Opstart, now he does also this. Opstart would have to be crazy to give him the money and risk law suits from the investors.
 

Good morning,

some clarifications regarding the campaign with Opstart:

1) We confirm that Opstart has received at least a couple of emails  obviously anonymous  written in the confused style attributable to Coinfan
2) Opstart, as it should be, asked us for clarification to which we have given an answer
3) The legal department of Opstart closed the case, not finding a legal valid reason to open a dispute
4) Opstart is fully aware of our legal procedure against Coinfan
5) The Opstart campaign continued regularly and ended on October 30th (11 days before our complaint) without any reservations towards our Holding.

Thanks

[r34tr783tr78]

The scammer medri crawled back from his hole and invented a complaint after 3 years of attempts to scam the OP. He ruined his scam of more than 1 million because of his scam of 35k. He also ruined his business and will have free holidays at expenses of the italian government. Good luck with covid on the italian jails scammer medri. They have some new partners its time to warn them about the Rock.

[Coinfan]

Thanks for your posts r34tr783tr78 and JollyGood.

The Rock CFO lied to the Italian Police:

I) Lie about the motive:

He wrote on the complaint that the reason why they blocked my account at the beginning of 2018 (his confession) was that my account was "dormant" from about 2014 to 2017. Which is complete lie. I kept trading between 2014 and 2018 only interrupting for about 3 months twice and I kept logging on.

I have a full transaction history and scans of it. The police will receive them.

Lying to the police is a very serious felony, especially on a complaint. And Lying against clear evidence was very a major mistake. But lying about his motive is even more serious.

It's clear evidence that their motivation was completely different. His covert block (that he hides), his public confession that he would keep my money "forever", their 3 year block and his attempt to deny the money they are blocking (under his alt account Marco777) confirms that he tried to appropriate my money under the pretext of verification.

That he now is having second thoughts won't save him. Failed attempt is punishable also.

This is just his first lie. There are many more!

P.S.
He is afraid of being caught. He started posting again with his alt account Marco777 after making the complaint (to try to hide to the police the connection). He can even delete the self-incriminating posts, I made several copies. It will be another confession.

[eliale]

There is a special place in hell for those types of people that cause so much pain and suffering to others and seemingly enjoy watching. I am in no doubt whatsoever that one day this pathetic little Rock Trading will be shut down by the authorities because of legal requests from multiple jurisdictions and the people controlling the company will have to answer questions after being arrested.

In the end one thing is for sure, Coinfan will get their crypto returned which at the time of being scammed was over 35,000 euro and whether that happens after stubborn petty little spoilt brat eliale willingly returns it with an apology (or is forced to do it after being humiliated in the Court and is instructed to do it), Coinfan will get their funds back.

Thank you, Jollygood, for your continuous support.

The Rock CFO assured that he won't see the money from Opstart.it.

Beside denouncing his own actions on this case (of course, he hided the most damaging ones) to the police, he dared write blatant lies!! (more on this in due time)!

But he also denounced to the police and to the public that Opstart.it knows about all of this. He just informed all investors that Opstart.it knew.

I bet he didn't ask for permission from Opstart to write this on the "complaint". This is basically a betrayal of his own partner Opstart.

After trying to hide all his "legal problems" from Opstart, now he does also this. Opstart would have to be crazy to give him the money and risk law suits from the investors.
 

Good morning,

some clarifications regarding the campaign with Opstart:

1) We confirm that Opstart has received at least a couple of emails  obviously anonymous  written in the confused style attributable to Coinfan
2) Opstart, as it should be, asked us for clarification to which we have given an answer
3) The legal department of Opstart closed the case, not finding a legal valid reason to open a dispute
4) Opstart is fully aware of our legal procedure against Coinfan
5) The Opstart campaign continued regularly and ended on October 30th (11 days before our complaint) without any reservations towards our Holding.

Thanks

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

[JollyGood]

What a pathetic little worm you are. Is this the best you could do? This is the sort of conduct a proprietor of a so-called world famous crypto exchange is supposed to exhibit?

Let us not forget ladies and gentlemen that the Rock Trading raised a miserly sum of 1.5m euro from their fund raising, that might seem a lot to some people but for a crypto exchange claiming to be so many years old they should be making that much profit and more on a weekly basis.

Look at Binance, they are trading multi-billions of USD$ worth of transactions daily and compare it to the Rock Trading with their alleged $2m per 24 hours: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/therocktrading/

 

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

[eliale]

What a pathetic little worm you are. Is this the best you could do? This is the sort of conduct a proprietor of a so-called world famous crypto exchange is supposed to exhibit?

Let us not forget ladies and gentlemen that the Rock Trading raised a miserly sum of 1.5m euro from their fund raising, that might seem a lot to some people but for a crypto exchange claiming to be so many years old they should be making that much profit and more on a weekly basis.

Look at Binance, they are trading multi-billions of USD$ worth of transactions daily and compare it to the Rock Trading with their alleged $2m per 24 hours: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/therocktrading/

 

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

EDIT: I forgot the best:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50340436;topicseen#new

Bitcointalk moderator is declaring that Jollygood accepts rewards in exchange for his defamatory posts......

[JollyGood]

Reading the posts from the pathetic little boy who is the owner of the tiny little mini-exchange called Rock Trading that has been accused with solid evidence of selective scamming the OP  

The same way he forgot to mention more trash in his previous post and edited it to add it, he also forgot the impact of the negative reviews that would be going his way and towards his tiny little exchange if a victim of their exchange opened a Scam Accusation thread against them.

Rock Trading has an alleged daily volume of just 2m euro and they are trying to defend confiscating 33,000+ euro that the OP should have had returned a long time ago. Today those 4.88 BTC that they Rock trading seized without justification is worth over 100,000 euro, they should return it to the OP.

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

EDIT: I forgot the best:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50340436;topicseen#new

Bitcointalk moderator is declaring that Jollygood accepts rewards in exchange for his defamatory posts......

[eliale]

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190836.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049155.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50340436;topicseen#new (Bitcointalk moderator is declaring that Jollygood accepts rewards in exchange for his defamatory posts......)


and many similar ones (too many to list)

Thank you

[JollyGood]

About eliale and the petty little Rock Trading mini-exchange:

Allegations of stealing 4.88 BTC !!

Fellow bitcoiners:

Think twice before creating an account on the Rock Trading Exchange, even if you get a free invitation code, without reading the below short summary and the Rock CFO ratings:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg54139648#msg54139648

Please support the flags against the Rock CFO eliale and Rock CTO paci to help warn about them:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=207
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=493

and give them negative feedback:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35172
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=15648

Short updated summary:
On December 2017, they blocked covertly against n. 8.4 of their TOS the withdrawals on my account with 35519 euro and this is going on for 2.5 years. The Rock Trading CFO confirmed the facts here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg44951057#msg44951057
But they didn't blocked trading or deposits and, unaware, I entrapped more money during 2018.
On August 2018, when I asked for a bitcoin withdrawal, they demanded a copy of personal documents as pretext for the block, but their FAQ said "Verification is not mandatory”
On May 2019, they changed their FAQ (but not their TOS, confirming is a scam change) to hide this. Check its text on November 2018 (on end part of page): https://archive.fo/BNSfb
The Rock CFO confessed they are going to keep the money "forever": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg47458158#msg47458158
He wrote that they wouldn't respect an arbitrage decision on the case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
He posted almost all private information they had from my account here on bitcointalk as petty revenge, including first name: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50343815#msg50343815
After confessing the amount several times, hiding behind an alt account, the Rock CFO started denying the 35500 euro: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg54406770#msg54406770 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.520 (evidence that is an alt account)
Italian Act 231/2007 changed by Act 90/2017 doesn't demand verification of identity for bitcoin withdrawals (article 3, n. 5, i) and, in any case, says that if exchange can't verify identity must close the account (article 42, n. 1) and so return the money: https://www.organismo-am.it/documenti/Normativa/D.lgs.%2025%20maggio%202017%20n.%2090.pdf (italian)
After a criminal complaint and several other complaints, it's imminent a decision of an italian authority, which received full documentation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg54835185#msg54835185
They paid 13 fake positive reviews on their Facebook account on 28 September and 2 October 2019: https://www.facebook.com/pg/TheRockTrading/reviews/
No one logged on my account on almost 2 years, I own the banking account they have on file since 2013 and signed a bitcoin message with the last address used to make a deposit:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058


Extended summary:



I) I have on the Rock Trading exchange 35519 euros and they covertly blocked all my means of withdrawal, including all crypto, on December 2017!, about 2 years ago (see balance scan below).

II) They refused several times to explain why. Now they wrote it was because the account was "dormant". Which is a complete lie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51377323#msg51377323

III) They didn't tell me about the withdrawal block and let me keep entrapping more money with a deposit and trading/paying fees for months unaware of the block against what article 8.4 of their own TOS demands. This is fraud and a scam.
https://therocktrading.com/en/pages/terms-and-conditions

IV) When I complained on August 2018, they demanded my documents against what their FAQ said "verification isn't mandatory"and the Rock CFO had confirmed me by email that verification was voluntary. They removed this reference to the voluntary nature of verification probably on 16 may 2019, which is another confession that they are breaching it. But the original version is conserved here as it was on 2 November 2018: https://archive.fo/BNSfb
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51152105#msg51152105

V) Since I argued this, they eventually said I didn't have to send my documents, but they said that my money would be kept blocked "much more time".

VI) When I said I would take this public, they started demanding my documents again.

VII) Mandatory verification has no basis on their TOS, so they lied about an applicable european directive. But they know that the IV AML Directive isn't applicable to crypto exchanges. And the V AML Directive isn't applicable until Italy converts it into Italian Law. Moreover, even the V AML Directive only applies to crypto when there is fiat conversion/withdrawal. I only want to withdraw bitcoin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51753117#msg51753117

VIII) Italian Law, Legislative Decree No. 231/2007, as emended by Legislative Decree No. 90 of 25 May 2017, on AML and KYC duties, but his article 3, n.º 5, i), says that crypto exchanges are restrictively ("limitatamente") subject to this duties only on their operations of conversion from crypto to fiat. That is, to customers who ask for fiat withdrawals. I never asked for fiat withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50490829#msg50490829

IX) They confessed they are ready to keep my money "forever" (cit), under the pretext of the illegal KYC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg47458158#msg47458158

X) For months they kept raising abusive suspicious about my ownership against the overwhelming evidence, which is a fact confirming that asking for my documents is just a pretext in order for them to keep my money blocked. No honest person would deny my ownership. If I sent them my documents they would invent another pretext.

XI) What they are doing is completely contrary to italian law (quoted above) and their own TOS/FAQ (see detailed analysis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg46225609#msg46225609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851


XII) This is now on the european arbitrage system and on an Italian Financial Arbitrator, after a complaint with full disclose of identity with the same names they have on file. This was confirmed by a banking transfer to pay for the complaint cost and by documents sent. There is no longer any anonymity, but they still refuse to return my money.

XIII) Recently, they confessed several times that there isn't any security reason and that they know that the money is mine.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50381769#msg50381769
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50353964#msg50353964

XiV) They also confessed that if they lose the case they are not going to respect the decision of the Arbitrator to release my money: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50344427#msg50344427

XV) Beware, the Rock CFO wrote he is ready to do to every unverified customer what they are doing to me, even without changing their own TOS:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50060106#msg50060106 (translation and comment)

XVI) They breached their duty to respect the privacy of their customers and account security. They published here on bitcointalk almost all the personal details they had, including first name, nationality, gender, banking relations on a EU country and a full text of an 2013 email which was irrelevant to their defense:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg49989828#msg49989828 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50343815#msg50343815

XVII) They confessed that they are not acting under their TOS/FAQ or italian law (so, they accept that they are breaching both) but claim to be "anticipating" the V AML European Directive that they know isn't applicable in Italy until converted in Italian Law:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50016475#msg50016475 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50528161#msg50528161 (translation and comment)

XVIII) On July 2019, they inserted a new sentence on their FAQ: "If your account is unverified you will not be able to trade, deposit or withdraw cryptocurrencies and/or euro."
https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq.php?id=64
They are trying to "clean" now acts they done on December 2017 and August 2018! The authorities will see this as a clear confession of the illegality of these acts. Only changes FAQ the ones who breached them!

XIX) They paid for 13 positive reviews on their Facebook page, all made on about 1h, on 28 September and 2 October 2019. This is a fraud and confirms what kind of people manages the Rock Trading.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TheRockTrading/reviews/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg52863951#msg52863951

XX) the Rock CFO (with his new account Marco777) denied for the first time in almost 2 years of public fight the amount of 35519 euros he is trying to keep "forever" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg54406770#msg54406770 italian). Which is something that only someone with scam intentions would do. He had confirmed the 35500 euros before :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50365334#msg50365334
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50346052#msg50346052

XXI) They confirmed the main facts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg44951057#msg44951057

My evidence:

I) I have the login and password of my Rock account.

II) I have the login and password of the email associated with the account and I wrote them using this email.

III) The IP I have is and always have been from the same country and location.

IV) There is a second Rock account that the Rock knows is related to me. An email was sent from that email account confirming my identity.

V) I quoted detailed conversations I had with the CTO Paci on Second Life 6 years ago.

VI) I can confirm my identity using the Second Life account associated with my Rock account.

VII) I still own the banking account with the account number (IBAN) the Rock Trading has on file.

VIII) There is a coincidence between the two names on file with the Rock and names on the complaint to the Arbitrator.

IX) I signed a message with a bitcoin address used to make a deposit on the Rock Trading in 1 June 2017: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058

X) More than one year passed since this public conflict started. If I wasn't the owner, the real me would already claimed the money. I told them I wouldn't login again and no one has login on the account for about 1 year




More details (not updated):


I have been an unverified customer of The Rock Trading (www.therocktrading.com) for 7 years.

Currently I have there 35519 euros (and 99 XRPs). Check a scan of my euro balance.



You can confirm the scan was made on 16 August 2018. Check the 2018 on the market graphic and the date on the last trade on the market, on the top right.

If you have no time to read everything, jump to the conclusions below:

The Rock is owned by two forum members:
eliale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35172
paci: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15648

Since June or July 2014, their FAQ states clearly: “Verification is not mandatory, but in order to deposit/withdraw fiat currencies you will need it” https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq.php?id=27.

The CFO Eliale assured me on a July 2014 email that as long as I didn’t request a fiat deposit or withdrawal after this change, I didn’t have to verify my account.

However, on January or early February 2018, after I sold my bitcoins and ended with a high balance, they blocked all my ways to withdraw, including all crypto.

But they didn't told me anything about the block or about any problem. They let me keep obliviously trading/paying fees and making deposits for months. After the block, I even made a new deposit on 21 February 2018.

When I finally complained, instead of apologizing for the problem, they kept the block and demanded me to verify my account by sending my personal documents, with contradictory, absurd and against their own TOS and FAQ justifications.

Their TOS is very clear: they can only demand verification from current unverified customers if there is an “anomalous or not completely transparent operations on the User's account” (see point 8.3: https://www.therocktrading.com/en/service_terms/3 ).

They didn’t even try to substantiate any suspicious transaction.
   
   And, in case of any block, point 8.4 of their own TOS demands them to make “useful efforts by TRT to contact the User and urge the completion of the due verification process”.
   But they are blocking my withdrawals for months and didn’t even inform me that the block was intentional and that there was a problem. I had to go to them.

And they know perfectly well the origin of my money: trading on their exchange for the last 7 years.

See full details about their TOS here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851

   
Confirming this illegal and very suspicious act, their CFO refused several times to explain what facts made them block my account, keep silent about it for months and demand verification: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45512110#msg45512110




On his email of 21 August 2018, the CTO Paci wrote that I didn’t had to send any personal documents: “BTW, is there any particular problems in providing some documents, if
I may ask? [ ] Anyway, feel free to not do it, if you wish so.”

But he added a very suspicious sentence: “Just be aware that our
support team will try other methods to check that the request to
withdraw is coming from the legitimate owner of the account, but that will
require much more time until we feel almost 100% secure.”.

They had no other way to verify on their own that I’m the legitimate owner beside the many ones I gave them.

Much less a way that is going to “require much more time”.

They have been blocking my withdrawals for at least 6 months and they are demanding more time?

They have no reason to suspect that I’m not the legitimate owner and I gave then even more evidence of this.

All the facts I describe on this post were confirmed by The Rock Exchange here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg44951057#msg44951057


Why I’m unwilling to send them my documents:



I) Their TOS and FAQ give me the right not to send my documents and stay as unverified customer with full access to bitcoin deposits and withdrawals (but not fiat ones). They gave contradictory or against their TOS/FAQ explications and they are refusing to explain publicly why they are asking for my documents.

II) It's very risky to give a copy of our documents to anyone, especially using the Internet. One of their employees can make a copy, sell it or use it on some criminal activity or they might be hacked and then I'll end in trouble.

III) They blocked my bitcoin withdrawals for months without even informing me and violated clearly their TOS and FAQ and their personal word. They are doing exactly what scam exchanges usually do. I certainly won't trust them my documents.

IV) Since they blocked my bitcoin withdrawals covertly and violated their TOS and FAQ and disrespected the personal assurance they gave me that they wouldn't ask for my documents, they are acting on (to say the very least) a very suspicious way:  there is a very big risk that they won't release my funds after I send them my documents. Scam exchanges do this all the time. They just invent another pretext to keep the money. Someone who disrespects his word once, will do it again without problems.

VI) Because they are blackmailing me for sending my documents and holding illegally my money, I was forced to give large publicity to the way they acted and are acting. This is affecting their reputation. If I sent my documents and they didn’t release my money, any further publicity to their acts could make them use my documents on illegal ways as retaliation.

VII) They kept raising doubts about my ownership of the money here on this thread against all evidence, suggesting I'm an hacker or some sort of criminal, lying about the Law applicable and their TOS meaning, which confirms that they are acting in bad faith and that I can't trust them with my documents.




Conclusions:

Since I have unquestionable evidence that I’m the owner of my Rock Account and money, this is going to end on the police and courts, so I’m going to measure my words and let you take your own conclusions.

I)   They lore bitcoiners to create unverified accounts proclaiming clearly on their FAQ that "verification isn't mandatory".

II) When a customer has a high balance, they block all their means to withdraw money, including crypto.

III) But they don't inform the customer that there is a problem and let him keep depositing money and paying fees for months obliviously of the intentional block.

IV) When the customer complains, they present contradictory, against TOS/FAQ and absurd justifications or refuse to explain the reason for the block.

V) They claim having a right to freely block accounts against everything their TOS and FAQ says.

VI) And they start blackmailing the customer to send their personal documents or lose their money, again against what their TOS and FAQ and personal assurances they gave to the customer.

VII) They accepted there wasn't really an issue about ownership taking in account the several evidences sent, but they still after raise absurd suspicions about this as a pretext.

VIII) Even raising absurd suspicions, they ignore the offers to present even more decisive evidence of ownership by the customer, including ownership of the banking account used to do a few withdrawals 5 years ago.

IX) Personal documents aren't a evidence of ownership of any account and are used as a first delayed tactic by all scam exchanges to keep the customer money that is going to be followed by demands of authenticated documents, personal videos holding the documents and to a expected final scam decision of rejection of the documents.

X)   On my case, even after their CTO gave up on demanding my documents, he didn’t apologize for frozen my withdrawals for months without any warning or said he was going to unfroze them, he wrote any withdrawal would take “much more time”, without even saying how long or why.

XI)   After I wrote that if they didn’t allow me to do a 2 bitcoin withdrawal that I need (less than 1/3 of my money) I would be force to post this on bitcointalk, the CFO Eliale started asking for my documents again against the writing word of his co-founder CTO Paci. Therefore, going public about this was their decisive criteria to demand documents again.

XII) They are using scam actions to fool forum members, like creating an alt account and posting on the same day on this thread a supporting post that the Rock CFO quoted: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45560191#msg45560191


             Take your own conclusions.

   

   So, Rock customers be aware: today they are keeping my money, tomorrow who knows…
Don't register, don't look for an invitation code (the so-called codice di invito), don't ask for an invitation code, don't accept an invitation code. Better avoid them like the plague.



For an Italian version see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.0

[JollyGood]

I hope the OP will get back the 4.88 BTC that the Rock Trading seized so evidently under false pretences and on top of that I hope the OP will get back interest that they would have otherwise accrued had their rightful funds been in their own possession.

Quote from: eliale on November 11, 2020, 10:35:53 AM

Dear readers,

this morning, as anticipated, we filed a formal criminal complaint for aggravated defamation against Coinfan.

Unfortunately, over the past two years, we have tried countless times to persuade the defendant to proceed with the identification for two simple reasons:

1) Verify that she was the real owner of the account
2) Comply with the regulations in force that require us to do this

Our requests turned out to be in vain. Several times we have urged Coinfan to take legal action against us with our aim of obtaining what is requested but, despite the fact that he has declared several times that he has done so, the waiting for the promised act continues.

At the same time, on this chat and in several others, the same has always maintained a seriously harmful and defamatory attitude towards us, hiding behind anonymity.

Consequently, unfortunately, our act is due in order to protect our interests, those of our members and show that we have nothing to hide.

At the following link G drive you will find a copy of the deed from which, for obvious reasons, we have hidden sensitive data: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

In this folder, we will upload any  relevant documents about the case.

We will shortly notify the legal department of Bitcointalk about the legal procedure. It is up to them to decide how to handle the fact.

We know that Coinfan will try to "hide" this statement by writing several messages after this. For this reason, unless bitcointalk decides to freeze this chat, we will resume our declaration from time to time.

As you can understand, we will not discuss this issue with the community as there is an ongoing judicial investigation but, we will limit ourselves only to updating you of any possible development

Andrea Medri
The Rock Trading srl

[JollyGood]

Ah I see, that is the same moderator that was getting free hosting thanks to Rock Trading is making allegations against me?  

For those interested, this thread explains things much better, it is titled "Unacceptable Behaviour By Forum Moderator HostFat & Rock Trading owner eliale": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5126027.0

About Jollygood:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50340436;topicseen#new (Bitcointalk moderator is declaring that Jollygood accepts rewards in exchange for his defamatory posts......)

[Coinfan]

JollyGood, thank you for making the Rock CFO confirm publicly what kind of person he is, by making him defame you again.

Added 27-4-2021 to concentrate details on one thread:
The Rock Trading managed to get 1.5 million euros on a crowdfunding raise of capital using Opstart (https://www.opstart.it/progetto/digital-rock-holding/). But Opstart confronted the Rock CFO with this case, so in order to mislead it, on 28 October 2020, after more than 2 years of attempts to keep my money "forever", the Rock CFO presented a complain against me for "defamation" (really!) to try to look honest.

This was a crazy decision, so he lied in order to hide his actions:
I) He lied about the motive, saying that they blocked my account because it was dormant between 2014 and 2017. I have the full history of constant trading between 2014 and 2 march 2018. Check scans below of Rock support tickets opened on December 2014 and 2017 and trading during December 2016 and on several months of 2017.
Furthermore, the Rock CTO Paci and the Rock support system contradicted him, as each one invented his own illegal pretext for the block and never mentioned any dormant status lie. Check below a scan of the August 2018 ticket.

II) He said that they blocked the full functionality of the account in the beginning of 2018. He tries to hide that they only blocked covertly the withdrawals and left me trading and even entrapping more money for months, ignorant of the block. They only blocked completely the account on 2020. The Rock CFO confirmed this on a post of 26 June 2019, saying that "aside withdraws, the account is operative": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51615058#msg51615058
Furthermore, the quoted 2018 support ticket answer says about granting withdrawals, which confirms also that the account was operative, except the blocked withdrawals.

Lying on a judicial proceeding (on a complain against his victim!!) is a crime under article 374 bis of Italian Criminal Code.

III) He published the complain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55567763#msg55567763)
which in itself is also a crime, under article 684 of Italian Criminal Code and article 329 of the Italian code of criminal process, as confirmed by a high Italian court.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55970022#msg55970022
Of course, he also committed more breaches of privacy, by revealing illegally and unnecessarily again private information, including first name, gender and nationality.

IV) More lies he told: He said to the police they knew nothing about my case and that they had to go check all accounts to realize what my thread was about!! When I opened a ticket against their covert block and they received full information in August 2018, a few days before I created this thread.

V) He told the police that he tried to identify the owner by all means possible.
The Rock CFO never tried to contact the emails associated with the Rock accounts.
He received an email from an email account registered with the Rock Trading, signed with the names they have on file. He completely ignored the email for months. When he finally answered to confirm the identity, his only reaction was posting here in this forum almost all the private information he confirmed.

Lying to the Italian police on his lying complaint is a serious offense in itself: article 374 bis of the Italian Penal Code: 1 to 5 years in prison.
https://www.brocardi.it/codice-penale/libro-secondo/titolo-iii/capo-i/art374bis.html

He wrote: "since the mentioned account was dormant for certain years (about since 2014 to 2017), we demanded the necessary documents for the identification of the owner of the account". ("alla luce del fatto che detto account era rimasto dormiente per qualche anno (all'incirca dal 2014 al 2017), è stata richiest la documentazione necessaria all'identificazione del soggetto titolare dell'account").

Here is the evidence of trading in February of 2017.  



And I already posted a scan of a deposit on June 2017 here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058
And another scan showing trading in December of 2017 here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51377323#msg51377323

The police will receive the full history of the account that shows constant trading also in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

He didn't even dare to deny that he was lying!

But this is just his first lie. I'll highlight all the others.


Edit-3/01/2021:

More evidence of activity and trading:
A ticket in December 2014



A ticked in June 2017, about the deposit I linked above:



And trading in December 2016/January 2017:




Qui sopra c'è la prova che il Rock Trading CFO ha mentito alla polizia sul suo motivo per bloccare il mio conto.
Ha dichiarato che il motivo per cui hanno bloccato il mio conto all'inizio del 2018 (la sua confessione) era che il mio conto era "dormiente" dal 2014 al 2017 circa. Il che è una menzogna totale. Ho continuato a fare trading tra il 2014 e il 2018 interrompendo solo due volte per circa 3 mesi e ho continuato ad effettuare il login.
Ho una cronologia completa delle transazioni e le scansioni. La polizia le riceverà.

Edit-15/01/2021:
More evidence of his lie about the motive for the covert block of the withdrawals being the account being "dormant" between 2014 and 2017.

Paci in August 2018, days before I created this thread, contradicted this. Paci wrote that the covert withdrawal block was because "Your profile looked suspicious to our internal automatic security checks"! The profile wasn't change since 2013! The police will receive a copy of this too.

But the Rock support contradicted him too and also invented another illegal pretext: they said it was because I made euro withdrawals, back in 2013, when their TOS explicitly allowed them.
They were saying that they blocked covertly my withdrawals in the beginning of 2018 because of small withdrawals I made on 2013!!

A covert block of the account withdrawals with three contradictory pretexts from the Rock!, all illegal and lying.

Here is a scan of this statement in their support answer to the August 2018 ticket:


  
Sto anche postando un'altra prova delle menzogne del direttore finanziario della Rock alla polizia, il suo falso motivo per il loro blocco segreto sui miei prelievi. Ha detto la bugia che il mio conto è rimasto dormiente tra il 2014 e il 2017.
Il CTO Paci di Rock lo ha contraddetto, ma anche il suo stesso sistema di supporto lo ha contraddetto e ha anche inventato un altro pretesto illegale: hanno detto che è stato perché ho fatto dei prelievi di euro, nel 2013, quando il loro TOS glielo ha esplicitamente permesso.
Dicevano di aver bloccato di nascosto i miei prelievi all'inizio del 2018 a causa dei piccoli prelievi che avevo fatto nel 2013!

[JollyGood]

No problem and no need thank. I hope the tiny useless Rock Trading exchange will hopefully be shut down soon and hope its owners including Andrea Medri will be investigated by multiple law enforcement agencies so that they can work out how many people had their funds either seized without any reason.

JollyGood, thank you for making the Rock CFO confirm publicly what kind of person he is, by making him defame you again.

Just check how he blatantly lied to the Italian police on his lying complaint, which is a serious offense in itself: article 374 bis of the Italian Penal Code: 1 to 5 years in prison.
https://www.brocardi.it/codice-penale/libro-secondo/titolo-iii/capo-i/art374bis.html

He wrote: "since the mentioned account was dormant for certain years (about since 2014 to 2017), we demanded the necessary documents for the identification of the owner of the account". ("alla luce del fatto che detto account era rimasto dormiente per qualche anno (all'incirca dal 2014 al 2017), è stata richiest la documentazione necessaria all'identificazione del soggetto titolare dell'account").

Here is the evidence of trading in february of 2017.  And I already posted a scan of a deposit on june 2017 here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058




The police will receive the full history of the account that shows constant trading also in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

He didn't even dare to deny that he was lying!

But this is just his first lie. I'll highlight all the others.

[Coinfan]

Rock CFO lies on his lying complaint II:

He confessed that they blocked the withdrawals of the account on the beginning of 2018 (he declared "on the beginning of 2018, presumably in association with the block of the account functionality"; original Italian: "A partire dal 2018, pressoché in concomitanza con il blocco dell'operatività dell'account"), but it's a blatant lie that they blocked the functionality of the account.

The Rock CFO himself confirms that he lied. Just check what he wrote on 26 June 2019:

Please note [...]:
2) Aside withdraws, the account is operative.

To show him it's pointless to delete this incriminating evidence, I'm posting here a scan:


He also writes that they only blocked my account after asking for a copy of documents and were confronted with a refusal, which is another lie: "richiesta la documentazione necessaria all'identificazione (...). Il soggetto in questione ha sempre rifiutato. Alla luce di ciò la Società da me amministrata è stata costretta a bloccare l'operatività del relativo conto".

They only blocked the withdrawals of the account, without informing about this block, and let me keep trading and depositing unaware of the withdrawal block until I complained in a ticket of 9 August 2018. I kept trading on until 2 of March 2018 and even entrapped more money with a deposit of XRP on 21 February 2018.

If they asked for the documents first and blocked only after, obviously, I would withdraw all the money on that instant!

The Rock CFO actually confirmed implicitly the covert block on his post here, made just two days after I created this thread and also complained against the covert block:

Sorry, while I can understand your point of view (...)

Declaring falsely that they blocked the complete functionality of the account on the beginning of 2018 and hiding that they didn't inform the customer of the withdrawal block are major lies that will cost him seriously. These lies ruin completely his complaint and determines criminal responsibility as deliberate lies on a judicial complaint under article 374 bis of the Italian Penal Code.

It's also a complete lie that I began alerting people to what they did in the beginning of 2018. This thread was the first thing I wrote and is dated 29 August 2018.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for your explanation and addressing the propaganda by Andrea Medri. He is so stupid, he should be apologising to you but instead he is carrying on this silly game trying to make you look like a criminal when you are a victim of this tiny useless mini-exchange called Rock Trading

Rock CFO lies on his lying complaint II:

He confessed that they blocked the withdrawals of the account on the beginning of 2018 (he declared "on the beginning of 2018, presumably in association with the block of the account"; original Italian: "A partire dal 2018, pressoché in concomitanza con il blocco dell'operatività dell'account"), but it's a blatant lie that they blocked the functionality of the account.

He also writes that they only blocked my account after asking for a copy of documents and were confronted with a refusal, which is another lie: "richiesta la documentazione necessaria all'identificazione (...). Il soggetto in questione ha sempre rifiutato. Alla luce di ciò la Società da me amministrata è stata costretta a bloccare l'operatività del relativo conto".

They only blocked the withdrawals of the account, without informing about this block, and let me keep trading and depositing unaware of the withdrawal block until I complained in a ticket of 9 August 2018. I kept trading on until 2 of March 2018 and even entrapped more money with a deposit of XRP on 21 February 2018.

If they asked for the documents first and blocked only after, obviously, I would withdraw all the money on that instant!

The Rock CFO actually confirmed implicitly the covert block on his post here, made just two days after I created this thread and also complained against the covert block:

Sorry, while I can understand your point of view (...)

Declaring falsely that they blocked the complete functionality of the account on the beginning of 2018 and hiding that they didn't inform the customer of the withdrawal block are major lies that will cost him seriously. These lies ruin completely his complaint and determines criminal responsibility as deliberate lies on a judicial complaint under article 374 bis of the Italian Penal Code.

It's also a complete lie that I began alerting people to what they did in the beginning of 2018. This thread was the first thing I wrote and is dated 29 august 2018.

[Coinfan]

I just updated my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55725677#msg55725677) with a scan from a post from the Rock CFO on this forum where he is very clear that my account was fully functional (except withdrawals) on 26 June 2019, which is clear evidence that he lied to the Italian police when he said that they "on the beginning of 2018, presumably in association with the block of the account functionality").

Please note [...]:
2) Aside withdraws, the account is operative.

Of course, his main goal with this lie was to hide their covert block on the crypto withdrawals of the account that he confessed was imposed on the beginning of 2018.

This was a clear lie, against his own public declarations on this forum. And it was done against article 374 bis of the Italian penal code that establishes a crime which will be investigated by Italian judicial authorities without the need of any complaint. The Italian judicial system is the victim of this crime.

That he was capable of such a serious act is much worst than I thought he was capable of. He ruined his business and his life because of 35500 euros.

As soon as Opstart is aware of this, of course, they will cancel the raise of capital.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for the post Coinfan, it is good to see you not backing down. I hope you receive your money soon.

That 35,500 euro that they confiscated from you was not worth all the negative press and all the hassle they endured after you exposed them.

Hopefully they will not a single penny from that funding at Opstart and hopefully the Rock Trading will be shut down by the legal authorities and its owners/operators will hopefully be before a judge in a court.

I just updated my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55725677#msg55725677) with a scan from a post from the Rock CFO on this forum where he is very clear that my account was fully functional (except withdrawals) on 26 June 2019, which is clear evidence that he lied to the Italian police when he said that they "on the beginning of 2018, presumably in association with the block of the account functionality").

Please note [...]:
2) Aside withdraws, the account is operative.

Of course, his main goal with this lie was to hide their covert block on the crypto withdrawals of the account that he confessed was imposed on the beginning of 2018.

This was a clear lie, against his own public declarations on this forum. And it was done against article 374 bis of the Italian penal code that establishes a crime which will be investigated by Italian judicial authorities without the need of any complaint. The Italian judicial system is the victim of this crime.

That he was capable of such a serious act is much worst than I thought he was capable of. He ruined his business and his life because of 35500 euros.

As soon as Opstart is aware of this, of course, they will cancel the raise of capital.