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October 29, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
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While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.



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A patent troll uses patents as legal weapons, instead of actually creating any new products or coming up with new ideas. Instead, trolls are in the business of litigation (or even just threatening litigation). They often buy up patents cheaply from companies down on their luck who are looking to monetize what resources they have left, such as patents. Unfortunately, the Patent Office has a habit of issuing patents for ideas that are neither new nor revolutionary, and these patents can be very broad, covering everyday or commonsense types of computing – things that should never have been patented in the first place.

Source: https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims


Patent trolls generally patent things that are very general and the intent is to earn from the patent rather than from the innovation.

The patents are designed to hinder innovation by others or to earn money from the efforts of others by demanding a "license fee" for "using their very broad and generic patent".

The patents themselves are usually not unique and cover a general idea rather than create innovation.
e.g. Providing WIFI in a business to the public. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/infamous-wi-fi-patent-troll-settles-peanuts

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It's temporarily.
Who says? What is stopping someone from filling your blockchain with piles and piles of worthless data, all completely unrelated to financial transactions?

And your favorite Lighting Protocol is a stupidest thing i have ever seen
Nice English skills. Unfortunately, you assume that I like the Lightning Network. Instead of making assumptions, I suggest you create more argumentative statements.
I have no problem with increasing the block size.

Just not now, and definitely not like what you're doing and what you are planning.

Nothing is stopping the BSV blockchain from being filled with piles and piles of worthless data, all completely unrelated to financial transactions! Not even price! It is happening right now ...

"Add any file to the BSV blockchain
- smaller than 310MB"

- https://add.bico.media/

"Search Bitcoin SV"
- https://oyo.cash/

"Haichan is an imageboard that runs entirely on the BSV blockchain."
- https://relay.haich.us/about.html *NSFW* *WARNING: Potentially Illegal and Uncensored IMMUTABLE content*

...

Just fitting transactions onto any blockchain is hard enough in respect of transaction throughput.

Anyone could just upload the exact same text, videos, images, viruses, scripts, malware and/or 'illegal' content etc., into every block, if they were that way inclined! This is what Hal Finney meant about SPAM being a very big problem.

Imagine all of this junk in addition to high volume transactions. The BSV blockchain is also already slower to pull data from than most centralized servers and hardly anyone is using it, in comparison!

BSV proponents don't even understand the technological constraints, let alone the legal implications of using, running or storing this. They seem to think governments and big business are going to use BSV. What a joke. Why would they even want to store each others data, let alone a whole load of 'illegal' content and SPAM.

Bitcoin is about financial cryptography and not any of the above.

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

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October 29, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
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Bitcoin is about PoW and economics.

And its the best and working on chain system for electronic cash.

It is the only true innovation over last 20 years

Segshit is not

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Bitcoin is about PoW and economics.

And its the best and working on chain system for electronic cash.

It is the only true innovation over last 20 years

Segshit is not

The above problems in BSV actually causes centralization and therefore break both PoW and the economic model.

No its the worst chain for electronic cash. See above post.

No innovation whatsoever actually.

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CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.
Still waiting proofs that CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.
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Nice , fxclown will now push up / bump any new app news that will run on bsv

Thx. U could learn bit better about sales, but good start

 Grin

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CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.
Still waiting proofs that CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

The  #faketoshi  fraud  TIMELINE
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- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html

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Nice , fxclown will now push up / bump any new app news that will run on bsv

Thx. U could learn bit better about sales, but good start

 Grin

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You have no clue about any of this, lets be honest.

I will never use BSV.

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Nice , fxclown will now push up / bump any new app news that will run on bsv

Thx. U could learn bit better about sales, but good start

 Grin

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You have no clue about any of this, lets be honest.

I will never use BSV.

Sure, free choice.

Stay open minded, nothing is 100% for sure, but u made it

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October 29, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
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While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.



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A patent troll uses patents as legal weapons, instead of actually creating any new products or coming up with new ideas. Instead, trolls are in the business of litigation (or even just threatening litigation). They often buy up patents cheaply from companies down on their luck who are looking to monetize what resources they have left, such as patents. Unfortunately, the Patent Office has a habit of issuing patents for ideas that are neither new nor revolutionary, and these patents can be very broad, covering everyday or commonsense types of computing – things that should never have been patented in the first place.

Source: https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims

Great. By that definition, neither nChain nor CSW are patent trolls.

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While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.



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A patent troll uses patents as legal weapons, instead of actually creating any new products or coming up with new ideas. Instead, trolls are in the business of litigation (or even just threatening litigation). They often buy up patents cheaply from companies down on their luck who are looking to monetize what resources they have left, such as patents. Unfortunately, the Patent Office has a habit of issuing patents for ideas that are neither new nor revolutionary, and these patents can be very broad, covering everyday or commonsense types of computing – things that should never have been patented in the first place.

Source: https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims

Great. By that definition, neither nChain nor CSW are patent trolls.

I'm still on the fence about that.

The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)
(I realize there is a difference between copyright and patents -  but I am discussing the conduct rather than the legal terminology)





So copyrighting something that is public domain, taking out over a thousand patents, threatening existing competition....

While it may not be a complete picture or I may have misinterpreted it.  It certainly has the appearance of heading the way of a patent troll.



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While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.



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A patent troll uses patents as legal weapons, instead of actually creating any new products or coming up with new ideas. Instead, trolls are in the business of litigation (or even just threatening litigation). They often buy up patents cheaply from companies down on their luck who are looking to monetize what resources they have left, such as patents. Unfortunately, the Patent Office has a habit of issuing patents for ideas that are neither new nor revolutionary, and these patents can be very broad, covering everyday or commonsense types of computing – things that should never have been patented in the first place.

Source: https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims

Great. By that definition, neither nChain nor CSW are patent trolls.

I'm still on the fence about that.

The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)
(I realize there is a difference between copyright and patents -  but I am discussing the conduct rather than the legal terminology)





So copyrighting something that is public domain, taking out over a thousand patents, threatening existing competition....

While it may not be a complete picture or I may have misinterpreted it.  It certainly has the appearance of heading the way of a patent troll.




"Craig Wright - On Patents" ...
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1172837447094407168

"Craig Wright - Patent Wars" ...
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1176419468370726912

"Craig Wright - On plagiarism" ...
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1172153919314845696

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It is interesting that CSW makes accusations that are either untrue or out of context.





Source: https://medium.com/@craig_10243/patent-wars-24929b73f381

In order to have privacy for genuine users the unfortunate side effect is that those that use it for illegitimate use also obtain that privacy.

Satoshi was very concerned about user privacy and anonymity.














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October 30, 2019, 04:57:02 AM
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Bitcoin is about PoW and economics.

And its the best and working on chain system for electronic cash.

It is the only true innovation over last 20 years

Segshit is not

Yes it's about POW.

Newbies, there's only one way to determine Bitcoin, https://fork.lol/pow/work

But anyone can call their shitcoin "Bitcoin", it doesn't mean it's actually Bitcoin.

Plus I don't know what kind of disease I'll catch for going in here. I got lost looking for Decred's ANN. Haha.


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October 30, 2019, 05:26:03 AM
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The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)

Whatever gives you the idea that the Bitcoin white paper is public domain?

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The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)

Whatever gives you the idea that the Bitcoin white paper is public domain?

Your level of passion here, jbreher, surely deserves some passionate eye rolling too, no?


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The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)

Whatever gives you the idea that the Bitcoin white paper is public domain?

He didn't say it "is" public domain, he said its been in the public domain, because nobody was too big of an ass to attempt to copyright it until Craig came along.

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Is Craig Wright the original author of “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System?” Maybe. Maybe not. Whoever it is, I congratulate that person (or people) with creating such a brilliant and influential document. It truly is amazing. And I thank “Satoshi” for releasing it in the public domain. Why this person opted to remain anonymous (or at least out of the public eye, if “Satoshi Nakamoto” is a real name) is none of my (or really anyone else’s) business. In doing so, however, the author of the white paper made it very clear that they wished to disclaim ownership of the idea behind Bitcoin.

https://medium.com/valuetokenized/kill-satoshi-f2d993232561

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Grant Gulovsen is a licensed U.S.-based intellectual property attorney whose practice focuses on advising individuals and businesses in the blockchain and cryptocurrency space.

Are you actually arguing that Craig isn't a massive piece of shit after pulling this stunt?

https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-again-claims-authorship-of-bitcoin-white-paper

Satoshi was anti-centralization, anti-patent, anti-closed system. Then you have this cocky dufus claiming to be Satoshi, trying to convince the world that he's actually pro-centralization, pro-patent, pro-closed system. How dumb do you have to be to believe this arrogant dope for one second?





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Jimmy answers a lot of patent / IP FAQ here

https://thvidoes.com/video-9857412160667393447367

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He didn't say it "is" public domain, he said its been in the public domain, because nobody was too big of an ass to attempt to copyright it until Craig came along.

Correct. It is in the public domain and has been widely distributed.

Craig is not the only copyright claimant either. One applicant is claiming copyright twice.

https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Bitcoin%3A+A+Peer-to-Peer+Electronic+Cash+System.&Search_Code=TALL&PID=i-DenTaQ3xvpRNBNlGGoCYj6Rrggc&SEQ=20191030033213&CNT=25&HIST=1






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This is where it also gets interesting because:

Section 102 (b) of the copyright code states:
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October 30, 2019, 08:07:18 AM
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Plus I don't know what kind of disease I'll catch for going in here. I got lost looking for Decred's ANN. Haha.


To late, the disease got you here, cure no, deal with it, the thread will accommodate your bit of PoW

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