[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision (Old Thread)

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Bitcoin SV Taking the World by Storm
https://medium.com/coinpoint/bitcoin-sv-taking-the-world-by-storm-e46d738f7b5d

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Plus I don't know what kind of disease I'll catch for going in here. I got lost looking for Decred's ANN. Haha.

To late, the disease got you here, cure no, deal with it, the thread will accommodate your bit of PoW

Good luck. Bitcoin shall always be the dominant SHA256 cryptocurrency. The design-decisions made will, WILL cause your miners, and any forks' miners to come back to Bitcoin.

Why?

[nutildah]

The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)

Whatever gives you the idea that the Bitcoin white paper is public domain?

He didn't say it "is" public domain, he said its been in the public domain, because nobody was too big of an ass to attempt to copyright it until Craig came along.

How convenient for the next public display of ignorance to come so quickly. Copyright is established the instant a work is affixed in tangible form. That copyright exists fully independent if any registration thereof. Absent any explicit delegation of rights to the public at large by its creator, the Bitcoin white paper is not public domain.

Your willful persistence in confusing 2 different terms does not alter the fact that Craig is a fraud. You're like a medium-grade scammer who gets caught in a scam and then attempts to shift attention to an argument around something else. The fact remains: Satoshi intended bitcoin to be freely-distibutable, available to all, and Craig is attempting to subvert that ethos by copyrighting and patenting anything he can get his greedy little hands on, all the while claiming he is Satoshi. You have to be either very stupid or very dishonest to not see what's going on by now.

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New record on STN 1.8 Million transaction block (358Mb)
https://stn.satoshi.io/block-height/3053

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BSV devs getting it

https://twitter.com/barackomaba/status/1189696037130293249?s=21

And ask if u think github is ur measure of value

 

[BitcoinFX]

Mate you’ve wasted hours with the same character arguments against Craig that have no relevance to bitcoin Sv. Look at your posts, you’re clearly heavily invested in making sure bitcoin Sv does not succeed. You need better arguments. You are scared.

My guess is that as bitcointalk user 30. One of the first bitcoin exchange operators and someone who actually spoke to the real Satoshi Nakamoto when bitcoin was in its very early stages that BitcoinFX is in a unique position to judge someone claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto.

Craig has made lots of claims about BSV and about Bitcoin. His character and overall conduct is very relevant to the discussion.

It is always called FUD right up until things go wrong. Then it becomes known as "prior warnings".

Proof of what?

Bought an old account?

Did he sign?

This is high quality nonsens

But good all see it for free

 

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Yes I have signed actually and I'm the originator of my own account.

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

ALL coins were spent long ago for anyone who is reading this
- in fact some of you may have a few of them in your wallets!

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for forum account recovery etc.,

1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am not Satoshi Nakamoto. Are you?
42/ is the answer.
Be seeing you at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?
0.00000000 - BitcoinFX - bitcointalk.org - July 9th, 2018
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp
HMoTNpmqieWmcIvF/aMTCZlLqAuYnrWuQJk45S0pXK4pFOAB/j2WBTkA5KEGSpJQTclPL3ehaTSdPpV9Ivq+lC0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

https://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp&vrMsg=I%20am%20not%20Satoshi%20Nakamoto.%20Are%20you%3F%0A42%2F%20is%20the%20answer.%0ABe%20seeing%20you%20at%20The%20Restaurant%20at%20the%20End%20of%20the%20Universe%3F%0A0.00000000%20-%20BitcoinFX%20-%20bitcointalk.org%20-%20July%209th%2C%202018&vrSig=HMoTNpmqieWmcIvF%2FaMTCZlLqAuYnrWuQJk45S0pXK4pFOAB%2Fj2WBTkA5KEGSpJQTclPL3ehaTSdPpV9Ivq%2BlC0%3D

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Now ask yourself why can't CSW sign any old wallets or even produce any keys or valid evidence or access any original Satoshi accounts.

I'll tell you why ...

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Try actually reading and digesting the information presented. You might actually learn something.

CSW cannot even answer basic questions about real Bitcoin history.



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STORMZY - KNOW ME FROM
- https://youtu.be/PxbzujA69DA *NSFW*

[Viper1]

Because big blocks are more profitable?

And there you have it. They don't care about cryto currency, they're only in it for profit. After having watched the video the other day of Craig, I was left with the feeling that he is exactly the same way. All he seems to care about is getting in bed with the banks, corporations and the like just so he can get rich and nothing more.

[BitcoinFX]

Because big blocks are more profitable?

And there you have it. They don't care about cryto currency, they're only in it for profit. After having watched the video the other day of Craig, I was left with the feeling that he is exactly the same way. All he seems to care about is getting in bed with the banks, corporations and the like just so he can get rich and nothing more.

Indeed.

You BSV folks actually believe this guy is Satoshi Nakamoto ... This guy ...  

"We did warn you...HE'S HERE! 😱😧🎃

#HappyHalloween #Halloween19 #BSV #BitcoinSV #PumpkinManCraig"

- https://youtu.be/gHo79k6rv3M

- https://twitter.com/RealCoinGeek/status/1189845193933180936

That is scarily pathetic.

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

[hv_]

Because big blocks are more profitable?

And there you have it. They don't care about cryto currency, they're only in it for profit. After having watched the video the other day of Craig, I was left with the feeling that he is exactly the same way. All he seems to care about is getting in bed with the banks, corporations and the like just so he can get rich and nothing more.

PoW is to make ppl rich who really work.

Comunism does not help anyhow to secure Bitcoin open system.

Good u asked but incentives keep Bitcoin running for 10 y.
Without it would be rekt after few years

Capitalism works

[BitcoinFX]

Because big blocks are more profitable?

And there you have it. They don't care about cryto currency, they're only in it for profit. After having watched the video the other day of Craig, I was left with the feeling that he is exactly the same way. All he seems to care about is getting in bed with the banks, corporations and the like just so he can get rich and nothing more.

PoW is to make ppl rich who really work.

Comunism does not help anyhow to secure Bitcoin open system.

Good u asked but incentives keep Bitcoin running for 10 y.
Without it would be rekt after few years

Capitalism works

- https://twitter.com/CryptoScamHub/status/1187898650124357632

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

#CraigIsNotSatoshi

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DO U KNOW THE WAY | Uganda Knuckles (Original Full Video)
- https://youtu.be/tJp_3-VZZjI *NSFW*

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Fact Satoshi did not want Wikileaks to use Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735.msg26999#msg26999

[bitcoinPsycho]

Fact Satoshi did not want Wikileaks to use Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735.msg26999#msg26999

Fact : bsv is not bitcoin

[actmyname]

Capitalism works

You don't want to have control of your own money? You want to delegate that responsibility to third-party entities that are prioritizing profit?

What?!

[Viper1]

PoW is to make ppl rich who really work.

Gotcha. POW wasn't created to make people rich though. Just shows your state of mind when it comes to these things. Doesn't matter if it's crap or awesome tech, as long as you can make money from it. Now I know why you support this. You fit right in with Craig.

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PoW is to make ppl rich who really work.

Gotcha. POW wasn't created to make people rich though. Just shows your state of mind when it comes to these things. Doesn't matter if it's crap or awesome tech, as long as you can make money from it. Now I know why you support this. You fit right in with Craig.

Only work makes u rich. Dunno what s wrong with that.

And BSV is Original BitCoin

[BitcoinFX]

PoW is to make ppl rich who really work.

Gotcha. POW wasn't created to make people rich though. Just shows your state of mind when it comes to these things. Doesn't matter if it's crap or awesome tech, as long as you can make money from it. Now I know why you support this. You fit right in with Craig.

Only work plagerism makes u rich. Dunno what s wrong with that.

And BTC is Original Bitcoin

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Fixed ^

BSV is a copy of a copy of original Bitcoin (BTC) which was forked at BCH block height #556767. It's in the BSV 'source code' repo.



- https://twitter.com/BTCCookiez/status/1189165670304571398

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

#CraigIsNotSatoshi

Remember this one ...

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"You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something. Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent. So trying to get a patent on something somebody else invented and implemented in code would be futile. ..."

No shit. Relevance?

Did you somehow forget your dev is crypto's biggest patent troll?

While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.

Incidentally, the title of 'your dev' is a complete non-sequitur, seeing as 'dev' is pretty universally applied to 'the peeps who write the code'. An activity that CSW (am I safe in assuming it is him to which you refer?) pays others to do. And, of course, that whole 'your' thing.
 
Though whatever the outcome of that little sidebar, it sheds exactly zero light upon the questionable relevance of the quoted tirade by BitcoinFX.

Try again? Or let BitcoinFX speak for him/herself?

"You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something. Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent. So trying to get a patent on something somebody else invented and implemented in code would be futile. ..."

No shit. Relevance?

Did you somehow forget your dev is crypto's biggest patent troll?

Apparently being a fraud and a conman wasn't low enough for him.

This ^

- https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE

"Open BSV License
Copyright (c) 2019 Bitcoin Association

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

1 - The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
2 - The Software, and any software that is derived from the Software or parts thereof,
can only be used on the Bitcoin SV blockchains. The Bitcoin SV blockchains are defined,
for purposes of this license, as the Bitcoin blockchain containing block height #556767
with the hash "000000000000000001d956714215d96ffc00e0afda4cd0a96c96f8d802b1662b" and
the test blockchains that are supported by the un-modified Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE.



Version 0.1.1 of the Bitcoin SV software, and prior versions of software upon which it was based,
were licensed under the MIT License, which is included below.

The MIT License (MIT)

Copyright (c) 2009-2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
Copyright (c) 2009-2015 Bitcoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2009-2017 The Bitcoin Core developers
Copyright (c) 2017 The Bitcoin ABC developers
Copyright (c) 2018 Bitcoin Association

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE."

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Which came first the chicken or the egg ?

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

It's time to BUILD, a solid legal case against BSV. - SWIM

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- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/07/blockstream-commits-patent-nonaggression

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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (5/8) Movie CLIP - Invincible Sword Goddess (2000) HD
- https://youtu.be/X5SaZ8EmSpw *Satire*

You fail to establish any relevancy for your spouting. You also seem to have a rather flawed understanding of IP law. Lesson one: patents and copyrights are two completely different things.

Exactly what point do you think you are making by quoting the Open BSV License?

Patent Troll ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll
- https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/patent_troll



Do you honestly think I don't know the difference (or similarities) between a patent and copyright.

Completely moronic.

BSV is a copy of a copy of original Bitcoin (BTC) which was forked at BCH block height #556767. It's in the BSV 'source code' repo.

Totally moronic.

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

"You ain't even lord of your yard." - SWIM

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STORMZY - SHUT UP
- https://youtu.be/RqQGUJK7Na4 *Satire* *NSFW*

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Oh no now BTC miners invading
https://sv.coin.dance/blocks/thisweek

[BitcoinFX]

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The above info graphic presents a completely false narrative of the actual chain of events.

Below is the true chain of events.

Original Bitcoin (BTC) began with the Genesis block at block 0 in 2009. BCH and BSV did not exist at this point in time.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

Bitcoin Cash (BCH): Forked (from BTC) at block (height) 478558, on 1 August 2017, for each Bitcoin (BTC), an owner got 1 Bitcoin Cash (BCH)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_Cash

BSV did not exist at this point in time.

Bitcoin SV (BSV): Forked (from BCH) at block (height) 556766, on 15 November 2018, for each Bitcoin Cash (BCH), an owner got 1 Bitcoin SV (BSV).

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_Cash#2018_split_to_create_Bitcoin_SV

Historical transactions are the same and are present on each chain up to the point of the respective fork(s).

Each fork continues on its own chain.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bitcoin_forks

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

#CraigIsNotSatoshi

Again, BSV is a copy of a copy of original Bitcoin (BTC) which was forked at BCH block height #556767. It's in the BSV 'source code' repo. here:

- https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE

[jbreher]

The fact that CSW submitted for copyright something that has been in the public domain for years (the bitcoin whitepaper)

Whatever gives you the idea that the Bitcoin white paper is public domain?

He didn't say it "is" public domain, he said its been in the public domain, because nobody was too big of an ass to attempt to copyright it until Craig came along.

How convenient for the next public display of ignorance to come so quickly. Copyright is established the instant a work is affixed in tangible form. That copyright exists fully independent if any registration thereof. Absent any explicit delegation of rights to the public at large by its creator, the Bitcoin white paper is not public domain.

Your willful persistence in confusing 2 different terms does not alter the fact that Craig is a fraud. You're like a medium-grade scammer who gets caught in a scam and then attempts to shift attention to an argument around something else. The fact remains: Satoshi intended bitcoin to be freely-distibutable, available to all, and Craig is attempting to subvert that ethos by copyrighting and patenting anything he can get his greedy little hands on, all the while claiming he is Satoshi. You have to be either very stupid or very dishonest to not see what's going on by now.

That’s rather rich. I’m not the one with a demonstrated confusion between patents and compyrights, nor between public domain and non public domain items.

The initial protocol is indeed free for anyone to use. While I understand at least some of the arguments for abolishing all IP law, under the current dominant system of the world, people’s inventions are their own, should they choose to patent them. Near as I am aware, nChain is not making patent claim to any fundamental bit of the initial Bitcoin protocol. They are making patent claims to other innovations running atop the Bitcoin protocol. And in the world in which we live, that is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

Exactly what is the nature of your compliant? Describe to me one patent of nChain’s that has you most up in arms, and describe to me exactly how you think it violates some element of fair play. If you can.

[nutildah]

And BSV is Original BitCoin

A fork of a fork... set in stone, until it gets changed, again... "Unfuckening" I believe was the term you used.

Exactly what is the nature of your compliant? Describe to me one patent of nChain’s that has you most up in arms, and describe to me exactly how you think it violates some element of fair play. If you can.

Again, you're missing the point entirely on purpose, so you can argue something other than the main point. The main point is that going around trying to restrict every aspect of cryptocurrency using legal technicalities is the exact opposite of what Satoshi intended, yet your dev is still claiming to be Satoshi, the cultmaster of a coin called "Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision". He's been proven a fraud many times over, for years now, and becoming crypto's biggest patent troll only helps to further distance himself from the embodiment of Satoshi Nakamoto.

I have no problem with Craig patenting every single aspect of things pertaining to BSV. Its when he starts to go around claiming pre-existing employments of technology overlap what is covered in his patents that I have a problem with. For instance, nChain holds a patent on "Virtual currency system" which they apparently bought from Robert Scott MacGregor and Milagrino Jose C. Ong. If Craig tries to sue this or that entity because he claims a new patent of his covers what they have already been doing, well, then he's even more of a trolling shithead than he already is.