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June 27, 2019, 08:33:44 AM
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The biggest misconception about the blockalypse is that it ever existed...

The tape tells the tale. In the last FOMO spike, we had soaring average tx wait times and soaring average tx fees...

Whether or not you wish to think of that as Blockalypse ain't no matter to me.

Its not whether it matters to you or not, its pointing out to the casual observer that you are making shit up. The term "apocalypse" usually describes the end of something. Bitcoin didn't die. It didn't stop or come close to stopping. No matter how you dice it, BCH is less popular than BTC now than it was during the throes of your fictional "blockalypse."

The first big block experiment has been a failure. What makes you think a second bigger block experiment (led by an even bigger phony than Ver) will be a success?

At the exact same time, we had a catastrophic drop in bitcoin market dominance.

Its not my fault you don't understand how the alt market historically relates to the bitcoin market and I don't have time to explain it to you.

There is something else going on with this blockalypse description and implied threat from jbreher...

He is trying to leave some kind of impression that bitcoin is broken in some kind of way and that the spam attacks that were going on between about December 2017 and January 2018 have some kind of persistence in bitcoin that resulted from bitcoin deficiencies and supposed organic growth that bitcoin cannot handle, rather than some nutjobs spending a lot of money to purposefully fill up the bitcoin blocks in order to perpetuate their dumb ass narrative (about supposed high fees and slow transaction times on bitcoin). 

Furthermore, the big blocker, altcoin pumpers, bitcoin naysayers are likely trying to figure out a way to engage in such a spam attack again that would be strategically timed, if they can figure it out and if they are given the right opportunity where they are not going to lose their asses on it, and possibly be able to profit in comparison to how much money it is going to cost them to carry out another attack while describing their dumbass clogging attempts of the bitcoin blockchain (assuming that they achieve some modicum of success) had been due to deficiencies in bitcoin... rather than their purposeful effort to engage in intentional sabotage efforts. 

Sure bitcoin is likely to survive these ongoing attacks and likely to thrive too, but the nutjob bigblockers are going to attempt to pump it for as much as they can in order to spread their misleading narrative to trap as many innocent bystanders into their narrative as they can.. so they can sell their bags onto a few more people -possibly bordering on dumb money - who likely buy into their stories.

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Segwit is that altcoin - and biggest pumped Wink

Bitcoin works - as much open as possible -> better with no  (artificial) capacity issues

There is no need to rant for some 'Netscape'-Bitcoin, economics will sort it.

Have fun with ur artificial fees in BTC


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June 27, 2019, 08:34:35 AM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

Nice  poor guys need cheap coins Wink

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India s kicking illegal coins - Chance for bsv !

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June 27, 2019, 09:06:55 AM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

Nice  poor guys need cheap coins Wink

Centbee is ready - South America coming

India s kicking illegal coins - Chance for bsv !

Poor people need coins that will not appreciate in value, right?  Namely BSV.  That makes a lot of sense.    Roll Eyes

Wouldn't poor people need sound money as well as rich people, and bitcoin is the most sound of money ever known to man.. at least so far.  BSV is not even going to come close to bitcoin when it comes to sound money principles... could go on and on and on about their lack of vision, except perhaps a vision to play a game of smoke and mirrors, even though they have vision in their name.. go figure?

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

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BSV is not even going to come close to bitcoin when it comes to sound money principles... could go on and on and on about their lack of vision, except perhaps a vision to play a game of smoke and mirrors, even though they have vision in their name.. go figure?

Their original "vision" was that they were going to be the new Bitcoin Cash... remember all that? Only after BCHSV lost the hash war and it became clear that BCHABC wasn't budging did the SV people remember, "Oh shit, we gotta make a wallet and a block explorer! White paper too?? Oh screw that, we'll just use the Bitcoin white paper and say its ours."

BSV was born out of delusion. The first delusion was they were going to usurp ABC out of Bitcoin Cash. After that failed, the focus shifted to the second delusion, that Wright was Satoshi. That's also just not the case no matter how hard the BSVites try to positive think it into reality.

The only thing SV accomplished was fractioning the big blockers into 2 separate but equally malcontent camps.





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June 27, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

Nice  poor guys need cheap coins Wink

Centbee is ready - South America coming

India s kicking illegal coins - Chance for bsv !

Poor people need coins that will not appreciate in value, right?  Namely BSV.  That makes a lot of sense.    Roll Eyes

Wouldn't poor people need sound money as well as rich people, and bitcoin is the most sound of money ever known to man.. at least so far.  BSV is not even going to come close to bitcoin when it comes to sound money principles... could go on and on and on about their lack of vision, except perhaps a vision to play a game of smoke and mirrors, even though they have vision in their name.. go figure?

Sure, sound money comes with daily (!)  usage by masses - BSV is the Bitcoin that can and will be that.

Easy to see that all other Bitcoin variants will not be here in some years.

Edit: Bitcoin is getting Money due to its function of a ledger of (signed) Transactions.  ( the more - the better )


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June 27, 2019, 11:20:31 AM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

In July Big blocks come (2GB) and some serious data uploading can start. BTC stuck with 1.44Mb floppy size blocks, and BCH with 1990s hard drive
Lets rev the Engines.....

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Price movement in % terms form 1/1/19 to June 26, 2019

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June 27, 2019, 11:45:04 AM
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Bitcoin SV will be the money that it  (the money itself) wishes to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYr-keVOQ18


(Scott Sornetta at about 25 min)

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June 27, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

In July Big blocks come (2GB) and some serious data uploading can start.
Lets rev the Engines.....

BSV's average block size is around 200 - 400 kb... Less than one half of 1 MB. What does it need 2 GB blocks for? To tell you more about the weather? LOL.

Frankly I hope BSV's blocks get filled all the way. That's the equivalent of 288 GB a day added to the blockchain. That's 2 terabytes a week, or 102 petabytes a year. Good luck invoking Moore's law to help you there.

Still, OP_RETURN data can only go up to 100 KB in size, so that means you need 20,000 transactions being sent with 100 kb of data a piece (well, a bit less than that because of other transaction data not related to OP_RETURN) every 10 minutes to reach the max. Currently, BSV has 3110 transactions per hour, so that would be a spam attack of epic proportions.

Probably be worth it to see their node count drop from 445 to zero. To put things in proportion, BCH currently has 1493 nodes, and BTC has over 10,000.





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June 27, 2019, 12:20:13 PM
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bsv to BTC -10.1%

In July Big blocks come (2GB) and some serious data uploading can start.
Lets rev the Engines.....

BSV's average block size is around 200 - 400 kb... Less than one half of 1 MB. What does it need 2 GB blocks for? To tell you more about the weather? LOL.

Frankly I hope BSV's blocks get filled all the way. That's the equivalent of 288 GB a day added to the blockchain. That's 2 terabytes a week, or 102 petabytes a year. Good luck invoking Moore's law to help you there.

Still, OP_RETURN data can only go up to 100 KB in size, so that means you need 20,000 transactions being sent with 100 kb of data a piece (well, a bit less than that because of other transaction data not related to OP_RETURN) every 10 minutes to reach the max. Currently, BSV has 3110 transactions per hour, so that would be a spam attack of epic proportions.

Probably be worth it to see their node count drop from 445 to zero. To put things in proportion, BCH currently has 1493 nodes, and BTC has over 10,000.

Some hundrets of nodes are fine - miners matter anyway.

Just ignore Bitcoin if u don't like it -

I 'll ignore all non-constructive trolls - give it a try

Edit: Oh and thx for the nice trust decoration - lol. And no there is no scam seen - except "SegWit2X - No2X + LN never works "  was.

Edit: Check this Bloomberg News, they are talking exactly about the SegWitCoin scam ( Min  1- 2)  - BSV will fix that
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June 27, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
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Some hundrets of nodes are fine - miners matter anyway.

Yeah because miners don't run nodes...  Roll Eyes

OMG dude you truly are special aren't you?  Cheesy

Out of everything I just wrote, your reply is "miners matter anyway"?

OK lets talk about miners.

Bitcoin SV hash rate: 804 petahash / sec
Bitcoin hash rate: 63,227 petahash / sec

It takes 78x more hash power to generate a BTC confirmation than it does to generate a BSV confirmation, which makes BTC about 78x more secure than BSV.

So yeah, I agree with you, miners matter.





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bsv to BTC -8.8%

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bsv to BTC -8.8%

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Frankly I hope BSV's blocks get filled all the way. . ..........

Dont worry block will get filled (spend the time to listen)
https://youtu.be/IJAXM81J5hc

No thanks. Anyway, I didn't say "block," I said "blocks." If you had something interesting to say you'd just say it instead of posting a YouTube link.





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Frankly I hope BSV's blocks get filled all the way. . ..........

Dont worry block will get filled (spend the time to listen)
https://youtu.be/IJAXM81J5hc

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bsv to BTC -10.1%

Nice  poor guys need cheap coins Wink

Centbee is ready - South America coming

India s kicking illegal coins - Chance for bsv !

Poor people need coins that will not appreciate in value, right?  Namely BSV.  That makes a lot of sense.    Roll Eyes

Wouldn't poor people need sound money as well as rich people, and bitcoin is the most sound of money ever known to man.. at least so far.  BSV is not even going to come close to bitcoin when it comes to sound money principles... could go on and on and on about their lack of vision, except perhaps a vision to play a game of smoke and mirrors, even though they have vision in their name.. go figure?

Sure, sound money comes with daily (!)  usage by masses

Yeah.. make up your own definition.  You seem to NOT understand what is sound money.. it is not only about "daily" usage, it is about having clearness about its supply too.

 
- BSV is the Bitcoin that can and will be that.

How?  Through smoke and mirrors?  And claims to be something that it is not?

Like nutildah suggested above they are bunch of big blocker scammers of a divided community with a faulty vision of disgruntled deludes.

 
Easy to see that all other Bitcoin variants will not be here in some years.

Mere use of the name "bitcoin" does not cause such to become bitcoin.. so the use of the term "bitcoin variant" is misleading because it implies that there is some kind of significant and meaningful connection beyond the naming.

 
Edit: Bitcoin is getting Money due to its function of a ledger of (signed) Transactions.  ( the more - the better )

You are spouting out some kind of talking point that makes no sense to anyone who has any kind of knowledge of what is going on... so forking yourselves into delirium does not cause for "more" bitcoins.... except for some short term misleading signals that are likely created for the more gullible to follow... you dumb and purposefully misleading fuck.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

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JJ troll runs out of args ... needs to use personal attacks.

Usual pattern of real scammers

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June 27, 2019, 05:40:05 PM
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The biggest misconception about the blockalypse is that it ever existed...

The tape tells the tale. In the last FOMO spike, we had soaring average tx wait times and soaring average tx fees...

Whether or not you wish to think of that as Blockalypse ain't no matter to me.

The term "apocalypse" usually describes the end of something. Bitcoin didn't die. It didn't stop or come close to stopping.

Nope, you're right about that. BTC didn't ... die. It merely experienced a drastic reduction in relevance, relative to other pretenders to the cryptocurrency throne.

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The first big block experiment has been a failure.

The term "failure" usually describes the end of something. Bitcoin (i.e., BCH) didn't die. It didn't stop or come close to stopping.

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At the exact same time, we had a catastrophic drop in bitcoin market dominance.

Its not my fault you don't understand how the alt market historically relates to the bitcoin market and I don't have time to explain it to you.

"Historically"!? WTF are you on about? Until the first Blockalypse, BTC essentially spent its entire existence above 85% market dominance.

Seems you are the one with no understanding of "how the alt market historically relates to the bitcoin market".

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June 27, 2019, 05:52:02 PM
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There is something else going on with this blockalypse description and implied threat from jbreher...

He is trying to leave some kind of impression that bitcoin is broken in some kind of way and that the spam attacks that were going on between about December 2017 and January 2018 have some kind of persistence in bitcoin that resulted from bitcoin deficiencies and supposed organic growth that bitcoin cannot handle, rather than some nutjobs spending a lot of money to purposefully fill up the bitcoin blocks in order to perpetuate their dumb ass narrative (about supposed high fees and slow transaction times on bitcoin). 

You mischaracterize my point entirely (for the umpteenth time, even).

Whether through spam attacks or through organic growth, the strangling of tx capacity due to stubborn refusal to accommodate actual use is a very real limitation upon BTC's value proposition.

Whether I mischaracterize your point(s) or not, the implications of your point needs to be cleared on a regular basis.  This is a quasi-public thread, so it seems that your point(s) are misleading on a regular basis at least in regard to purposeful nature of the spam attack in December 2017 and January 2018 and  the implications of that including how that information tends to be misleadingly used by bitcoin bashers and alt coin pumpers alike.

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There is something else going on with this blockalypse description and implied threat from jbreher...

He is trying to leave some kind of impression that bitcoin is broken in some kind of way and that the spam attacks that were going on between about December 2017 and January 2018 have some kind of persistence in bitcoin that resulted from bitcoin deficiencies and supposed organic growth that bitcoin cannot handle, rather than some nutjobs spending a lot of money to purposefully fill up the bitcoin blocks in order to perpetuate their dumb ass narrative (about supposed high fees and slow transaction times on bitcoin). 

You mischaracterize my point entirely (for the umpteenth time, even).

Whether through spam attacks or through organic growth, the strangling of tx capacity due to stubborn refusal to accommodate actual use is a very real limitation upon BTC's value proposition.

Whether I mischaracterize your point(s) or not, the implications of your point needs to be cleared on a regular basis.  This is a quasi-public thread, so it seems that your point(s) are misleading on a regular basis at least in regard to purposeful nature of the spam attack in December 2017 and January 2018 and  the implications of that including how that information tends to be misleadingly used by bitcoin bashers and alt coin pumpers alike.

U just doesn't want to get the fact, that a minority of the world, mostly anarchos and / or anonymous and scammers want to believe that SegwitCoin is Bitcoin, but it just isn't.

U have no arguments left, so u fall in text walls or insults.

Not that this post won't change that but it's the truth.

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