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August 28, 2019, 08:04:56 AM
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The court said "involved from its inception".

You said "to the creation....".

These two occurrences are not the same.
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August 28, 2019, 08:12:10 AM
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August 28, 2019, 08:21:49 AM
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At January 2020 Craig will sell his BTC and BCH and buy BSV and Ira will sell his BTC to pay tax. How much do you think BTC and BSV will cost? Wink

BSV buy now while cheap and sell BTC while expensive

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August 28, 2019, 08:27:36 AM
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Calvin is a corrupt keyboard coward. Only when this pathetic character has the bollocks to stand on a real life public stage, and speak his beliefs, has he the right to be quoted. At least CSW understood that Twitter only promotes a certain amount of bullshit.
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August 28, 2019, 08:29:59 AM
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Calvin is a respected man who made a lot of money without cryptocurrencies

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August 28, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
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Calvin is a respected man who made a lot of money without cryptocurrencies
I recommend staying away from someone who claims to know what a judge thinks, and totally ignores what they actually said. Thats corrupt, right there.

Calvin can only be respected for standing by his liar friend.....and having the ability to twitter-spin appeals to an insignificantly respectful audience.......seen the significant disrespectful responses to nearly every tweet this charlatan makes?
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August 28, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
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why does the price not react to such news? All asked to prove that Craig have the coins of Satoshi, the court proved it   

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August 28, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
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the markets see beyond Craig, miners like big blocks with data storage utility and devs like a platform they can build on. Craig cannot change the base protocol.
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August 28, 2019, 11:18:35 AM
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why does the price not react to such news? All asked to prove that Craig have the coins of Satoshi, the court proved it   

The only thing the court proved is that Craig is a scammer and now he must pay 50% of his crypto. But I guess he is nocoiner or his crypto holdings are small.
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August 28, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
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Which page of this document ? https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf
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August 28, 2019, 11:40:49 AM
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why does the price not react to such news? All asked to prove that Craig have the coins of Satoshi, the court proved it   

Because that's not what happened. Craig doesn't have the coins. The court did not prove it. What the court said was this:

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For purposes of this proceeding, the Court accepts Dr. Wright’s representation that he controlled (directly or indirectly) some bitcoin on December 31, 2013, and that he continues to control some today.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf

"some bitcoin" =/ "Satoshi's bitcoin"

Furthermore, the judge also said this:

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I completely reject Dr. Wright’s testimony about the alleged Tulip Trust, the alleged encrypted file, and his alleged inability to identify his bitcoin holdings.

So, let's break down what the court ruled is true vs. what is bullshit.

Craig and Dave had bitcoins: true.
Tulip Trust: bullshit.
Private keys in Shamir's scheme: bullshit.
Craig doesn't know what a public address is: bullshit.

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Dr. Wright’s story not only was not supported by other evidence in the record, it defies common sense and real-life experience. Consider his claims. He designed Bitcoin to be an anonymous digital cash system with an evidentiary trail. He mined approximately 1,000,000 bitcoin, but there is no accessible evidentiary trail for the vast majority of them. He is a latter-day Dr. Frankenstein whose creation turned to evil when hijacked by drug dealers, human traffickers, and other criminals.

To save himself, he engaged David Kleiman to remove all traces of his involvement with Bitcoin from the public record. As part of his efforts to disassociate from Bitcoin and “so that I wouldn’t be in trouble,” he put all his bitcoin (and/or the keys to it – his story changed) into a computer file that is encrypted with a hierarchical Shamir encryption protocol. He then put the encrypted file into a “blind” trust (of which he is one of the trustees), gave away a controlling number of the key slices to now-deceased David Kleiman, and therefore cannot now decrypt the file that controls access to the bitcoin. His only hope is that a bonded courier arrives on an unknown dated in January 2020 with the decryption keys. If the courier does not appear, Dr. Wright has lost his ability to access billions of dollars worth of bitcoin, and he does not care. Inconceivable.

drug dealers and human traffickers using bitcoin in 2010: bullshit.
Craig doesn't know what bitcoin he mined: bullshit.
his whole story: bullshit.

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During his testimony, Dr. Wright’s demeanor did not impress me as someone who was telling the truth. When it was favorable to him, Dr. Wright appeared to have an excellent memory and a scrupulous attention to detail. Otherwise, Dr. Wright was belligerent and evasive. He did not directly and clearly respond to questions. He quibbled about irrelevant technicalities. When confronted with evidence indicating that certain documents had been fabricated or altered, he became extremely defensive, tried to sidestep questioning, and ultimately made vague comments about his systems being hacked and others having access to his computers. None of these excuses were corroborated by other evidence.

Summary: Craig is a liar.

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While it is true that there was no direct evidence that Dr. Wright was responsible for alterations or falsification of documents, there is no evidence before the Court that anyone else had a motive to falsify them. As such, there is a strong, and unrebutted, circumstantial inference that Dr. Wright willfully created the fraudulent documents.

Summary: The judge is basically calling Craig a fraud at this point. No wonder Peter McCormack is pretty happy about the outcome.

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There was credible and conclusive evidence at the hearing that Dr. Wright did not control Tulip Trading Ltd. until 2014. Moreover, computer forensic analysis indicated that the Deed of Trust presented to the Court was backdated. The totality of the evidence in the record does not substantiate that the Tulip Trust exists. Combining these facts with my observations of Dr. Wright’s demeanor during his testimony, I find that Dr. Wright’s testimony that this Trust exists was intentionally false.

Summary: again, the Tulip Trust is utter bullshit. There are no coins. There is no trust.

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The Shamir scheme divides a single encryption key into multiple key slices; some subset of the total key slices is needed to decrypt the file. Dr. Wright testified that 15 key slices existed for the outermost file, only eight key slices were needed to decrypt this file, but he only had access to seven key slices. DE 236 at 125-26; see also DE 236 at 114 (“The eight of 15 is the key that we’re talking about to regenerate all of the addresses”). After observing Dr. Wright’s demeanor and the lack of any other credible evidence in the record that this file exists, I find that a preponderance of the evidence establishes that no such file exists and that Dr. Wright’s testimony was intentionally false.

Summary: again, Shamir's scheme is utter bullshit. There is no encrypted file and no private keys.

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Counsel has unfailingly been candid with this Court, even when Dr. Wright’s conduct and conflicting statements have created awkward situations for counsel. I find that counsel reasonably relied on Dr. Wright as a source of information. I find that Dr. Wright, alone, is fully responsible for any evasion, incomplete or false representations to the Court, or non-compliance with the Court’s orders.

Summary: Craig's lawyers did the best they could despite Craig insisting on fucking them and himself over.

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I have found that Dr. Wright intentionally submitted fraudulent documents to the Court, obstructed a judicial proceeding, and gave perjurious testimony. No conduct is more antithetical to the administration of justice.

Summary: ouch.






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August 28, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
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why does the price not react to such news? All asked to prove that Craig have the coins of Satoshi, the court proved it   

False.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf
"Two  preliminary  points.   First, the  Court is  not  required  to  decide,  and does  not decide, whether Defendant Dr. CraigWright   is   Satoshi   Nakamoto,   the   inventor   of   the   Bitcoin cybercurrency.

2 The Court also is not required to decide, and does not decide,how much bitcoin, if any, Dr. Wright controls today. 
For purposes of this proceeding, the Court accepts Dr. Wright’s representation that he controlled (directly or indirectly) some bitcoin on December 31, 2013, and that he continues to control some today."


The Court says: Wright PRETENDS to have Satoshi coins, and because he refused to produce a list of his Bitcoin holdings, lied under oath...Then the court decides to give maximum pain by considering he has the coins. Why ? To protect the rights of the plaintiff, because the plaintiff shall not suffer in his claims from the lies of the defendant.
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August 28, 2019, 11:56:11 AM
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Idiot.

This is the same document put forward in 2018 by Kleiman's attorneys that says they want all the proceeds from the forks as well. Two hours after I posted the link to it, you (incorrectly) said Kleiman doesn't get the forks in the BSV Scam Accusation thread, yet here you are quoting the SAME DOCUMENT and pretending this is new information put forward by the judge.

I can't accept that you are actually this stupid. You must be just a relentless liar like the other sniveling BSV bitches in this thread.





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Idiot.

This is the same document put forward in 2018 by Kleiman's attorneys that says they want all the proceeds from the forks as well. Two hours after I posted the link to it, you (incorrectly) said Kleiman doesn't get the forks in the BSV Scam Accusation thread, yet here you are quoting the SAME DOCUMENT and pretending this is new information put forward by the judge.

I can't accept that you are actually this stupid. You must be just a relentless liar like the other sniveling BSV bitches in this thread.

So alevlaslo is a member of the fakenews community. A big fat lie to support a false narrative.
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August 28, 2019, 12:22:52 PM
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I hate to break it to each side but there is no factual evidence that supports Craig DOES or DOES NOT have the Bitcoin. Each side is holding each-other to a higher standard claiming facts based on assumptions.

Welcome to law.
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August 28, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
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Next year we all will be wiser one way or another. In the meantime:
BTC blocks, 1Mb aiming for 300k to have artificial bottleneck to abandon blockchain to be sewit only, cant scale on blockchain
BSV max 2GB, aiming for unlimited, can scale on chain

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August 28, 2019, 02:43:03 PM
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I do not believe that he has access to coins, keys lost i think

most likely God has thus punished for stealing keys from Kleiman

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August 28, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
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Craig Wright has always banged on about the rule of law.

Now the law has established that Wright's been blatantly dishonest and that he is psycho enough to lie in court.





What else has Craig Wright lied about?

Can BSV supporters actually trust anything that comes out of his mouth or are they just being played like a fiddle by a complete sociopath?..........

Have a nice day!
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August 28, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
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Next year we all will be wiser one way or another. In the meantime:
BTC blocks, 1Mb aiming for 300k to have artificial bottleneck to abandon blockchain to be sewit only, cant scale on blockchain
BSV max 2GB, aiming for unlimited, can scale on chain

There's already a big block experiment. Its blocks are near empty. Better stick with the data storage narrative, especially now that a judge has ruled that Craig is a fraud.





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August 28, 2019, 03:41:27 PM
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Next year we all will be wiser one way or another. In the meantime:
BTC blocks, 1Mb aiming for 300k to have artificial bottleneck to abandon blockchain to be sewit only, cant scale on blockchain
BSV max 2GB, aiming for unlimited, can scale on chain

There's already a big block experiment. Its blocks are near empty. Better stick with the data storage narrative, especially now that a judge has ruled that Craig is a fraud.
Data is not an experiment, its serious money which everyone has the change to manage him/herself if so chosen.
Data is the new oil.

If you chose to give it to someone for free who then sells it to whoever is entire you personal issue to deal with.
Why have you not access to your sic history, can you not be trusted for your own sicknesses?

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