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Author Topic: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision  (Read 210170 times)
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July 26, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
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Its not based on anything other than a preference of belief, yours is that BSV is closer to being the Bitcoin that Satoshi intended. There's no way to prove that of course

May be no way of knowing what Satoshi intended. However, we do know what Satoshi initially bequeathed us (haha - bequeathed - almost like religion again:) ). And we know that BSV is much closer to that than is BTC. And getting closer with each release.

Just like religion, bitcoin is allowed to evolve.

Well, I'm no theologian. But that sounds looney. I thought a central tenet of theism -- each such -- posits an absolute unyielding truth. This notion is incompatible with the notion of an evolving religion.

Though that may only serve to illustrate the stretch of your Bitcoin as religion analogy.

Of course, Bitcoin is allowed to evolve. (permissionless, anyone?) However, one is also free to question the wisdom of an evolving Bitcoin. I think it very unwise. At least in the absence of any proven defects. You seem to think others are smarter than Satoshi, and have understanding of the tradeoffs better than does s/he. Perhaps. Perhaps not.

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Nobody said it _has_ to stay a particular way, that is, unless you believe Satoshi was some omnipotent, perfect being and the white paper itself is some sort of divine text.

The white paper does not need to be divinely inspired in order for it to describe the most optimal solution for this space. Again, in the absence of proven defects...

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July 26, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

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July 26, 2019, 08:00:42 PM
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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.
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July 26, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

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https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

Get your facts straight. Right now 4 pools are enough (do the live calculation) on BSV.

BTW, are you trying to make a general rule based on 24 hours ?

Last 7 days:


https://sv.coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
BSV: 3 pools represent in total 50% or more HR.

https://coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
Bitcoin: 4 pools  represent in total 50% or more HR.


My point is valid.


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July 26, 2019, 08:52:20 PM
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https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

Get your facts straight. Right now 4 pools are enough (do the live calculation) on BSV.

My facts are straight. As I said from the outset: "Today".

'Right now' is instantaneous. 24 hours is closer to instantaneous than 7 days. But fine, let's go with your figures for shits'n'giggles.

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Last 7 days:

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
BSV: 3 pools represent in total 50% or more HR.

https://coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
Bitcoin: 4 pools  represent in total 50% or more HR.

So your point would seem to boil down to: 3 miners is certain death by centralization, while 4 miners is no risk whatsoever.

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My point is valid.

Riiiight. </sarc>

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July 27, 2019, 03:17:04 AM
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Bitcoin SV (BSV) now stands head and shoulders above the rest
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-sv-bsv-now-stands-head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest/

From the same Fake News outlet that brought you such hits as "Craig Wright granted patent on Bitcoin white paper, recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto by U.S. copyright office..." No thanks, hard pass.

Did you try reading it? It contains gems like the following:

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[CSW] states that “with the increase in capacity, bitcoin becomes more useful for more parties and attracts further investment. Not because of dogma but because of economic viability and value. The more people use bitcoin, the more valuable it becomes the miners and the cheaper the transaction is becoming the same time. It’s a virtuous circle.”

Such nonsense on so many levels.

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Did you try reading it? It contains gems like the following:

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[CSW] states that “with the increase in capacity, bitcoin becomes more useful for more parties and attracts further investment. Not because of dogma but because of economic viability and value. The more people use bitcoin, the more valuable it becomes the miners and the cheaper the transaction is becoming the same time. It’s a virtuous circle.”

Such nonsense on so many levels.

Wow, and all this time I thought Craig was a native English speaker...

Also from the article:

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In less than one year of the BSV ticker’s existence, it has managed to overtake a majority number of top 10 coins by market cap in transaction volume and is on track to overtake BTC volume in the very near future.

What a load of bollocks. The only top 10 coin BSV "overtakes" (or comes close to overtaking) in transaction volume is Binance Coin. Like Craig, they'll just say anything, and then believe that since they said it, it must be true.





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July 27, 2019, 04:42:58 AM
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Wow, and all this time I thought Craig was a native English speaker...

He's got at least gegamegs of knowledge when it comes to the engwish.  Way moar than low life peeps, and if he say some differently, it's because he think and expresses moar better.

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https://www.yours.org/content/the-wonder-and-curiosity-that-is-cityonchain-6b0b20a1beba/#comments
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Nice reading about the return of op_return

https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/27/the-return-of-op_return-roadmap-to-genesis-part-4/

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Hashrate +30% today


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BitCoin Original Forever

https://bsvforeverfund.com/

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Another leap forward, 248MB block on Mainnet!
Nothing else comes close
Before already a 236.67 MB block
https://satoshi.io/block-height/593116
Whats that 4 days of BTC confirming time?

Quick lets find the defibrillator the orange line is flat-lining, red one is pumping nice.

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BSV price very high on waves DEX ?

https://dev.pywaves.org/marketcap/
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Another leap forward, 248MB block on Mainnet!
Nothing else comes close
Before already a 236.67 MB block
https://satoshi.io/block-height/593116
Whats that 4 days of BTC confirming time?

Quick lets find the defibrillator the orange line is flat-lining, red one is pumping nice.


"Bitcoin, an electronic peer to peer cash system". Remember ?

Your gigameg wanabee block: less than 2.5M USD of value (2,489,450)

Bitcoin blocks:
587487   5,760,800.00
587486   24,705,600.00
587485   21,488,700.00
587484   10,788,500.00   
587483   22,153,900.00   
587482   73,447,300.00
587481   90,123,300.00
587480   42,493,200.00   
587479   8,834,990.00   

Biggest block size of these above ? 1,478MB (obviously block 587481)


So:
- BSV: 2,489,450USD for 248MB.
- Bitcoin: 90,123,300USD for 1.478MB.

BSV block size is almost 168 times bigger for 36 times less value than Bitcoin  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Bitcoin is 6000X more efficient to transfer value / money.


Keep your gigameg blocks.
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Another leap forward, 248MB block on Mainnet!
Nothing else comes close
Before already a 236.67 MB block
https://satoshi.io/block-height/593116
Whats that 4 days of BTC confirming time?

Quick lets find the defibrillator the orange line is flat-lining, red one is pumping nice.


"Bitcoin, an electronic peer to peer cash system". Remember ?

Your gigameg wanabee block: less than 2.5M USD of value (2,489,450)

Bitcoin blocks:
587487   5,760,800.00
587486   24,705,600.00
587485   21,488,700.00
587484   10,788,500.00   
587483   22,153,900.00   
587482   73,447,300.00
587481   90,123,300.00
587480   42,493,200.00   
587479   8,834,990.00   

Biggest block size of these above ? 1,478MB (obviously block 587481)


So:
- BSV: 2,489,450USD for 248MB.
- Bitcoin: 90,123,300USD for 1.478MB.

BSV block size is almost 168 times bigger for 36 times less value than Bitcoin  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Bitcoin is 6000X more efficient to transfer value / money.


Keep your gigameg blocks.


There is way more use in a scalable eCash SYSTEM

https://Twitter.com/andrew_boho/status/1155120166856024069

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There is way more use in a scalable eCash SYSTEM

Allowing huge blocks is a good idea if you want to store large amounts of data, like weather stats or whatever.

But you know what else is good for storing data? A regular hard drive.

You don't need a blockchain to store weather data, which is what makes up the majority of SV blocks.

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July 29, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
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There is way more use in a scalable eCash SYSTEM

Allowing huge blocks is a good idea if you want to store large amounts of data, like weather stats or whatever.

But you know what else is good for storing data? A regular hard drive.

You don't need a blockchain to store weather data, which is what makes up the majority of SV blocks.

Thx for telling that. Sure there should be all sorts of audit and contract, settlement (my last post for that got deleted again...) data hashed into the blockchain. Scientific work and other IP like code timestamped ... but time will tell where to start. For now someone decided to try weather .

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July 29, 2019, 06:15:11 AM
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There is way more use in a scalable eCash SYSTEM

Allowing huge blocks is a good idea if you want to store large amounts of data, like weather stats or whatever.

But you know what else is good for storing data? A regular hard drive.

You don't need a blockchain to store weather data, which is what makes up the majority of SV blocks.
Make sure you back up your hard drive regularly and transport it to different place on the world. Weather data is a start earthquake and other scientific to follow and of course financial as there must be keep a record for 25 years per law.
Dont worry there is huge amount of scientific data store and share.

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