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[SkyReVo]

What any poker site should do is build a solid poker economy from the bottom up.  Meaning build a healthy microstakes economy that players can start playing in, build their roll and move up.  And the higher stakes start getting filled from there.

This way of thinking is antiquated and doesn't work in today's poker ecology. It's what glitch tried and failed with, gloriously. Every successful poker site has since pivoted.

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[RazzleDazzleSWC]

It sounds like new rake increases put in place without notifying players.  Is that in fact the case or are these rake changes not effective yet?

[T1ltmonkey]

Is there a specific game or buyin level that you would like to play that isn't currently being offered?

Please add NL 2-7 Single Draw again. Add it to the lowball mix, and bring back 12-game again. As SkyReVo already said, the mixed games is one thing setting SWC apart from other sites. It is basically you and Stars for those of us who enjoy mixed, and you have more of them. Build on that.

[figmentofmyass]

It sounds like new rake increases put in place without notifying players.  Is that in fact the case or are these rake changes not effective yet?

i can see hands getting raked at 3% on the 25/50 BBJ tables, so apparently the rake hikes have already gone into effect.

i'm sure this will do wonders for traffic.....

[RazzleDazzleSWC]

It sounds like new rake increases put in place without notifying players.  Is that in fact the case or are these rake changes not effective yet?

i can see hands getting raked at 3% on the 25/50 BBJ tables, so apparently the rake hikes have already gone into effect.

i'm sure this will do wonders for traffic.....

This is one of the most irresponsible and borderline malicious way to implement a rake change.  The site essentially changed rake overnight--increasing the rake for a majority of their player base and a majority of the hands played--without notice.  No post on Bitcointalk, 2p2, Twitter, or a notice on their website.  No popups when starting the client.  Unless the site believes that the average player will check the rake page on a daily basis before playing, this is one of the shadiest changes made my SwC.  As a player, I would always assume the rake today is the same as the rake yesterday, or the rake the week before.  If there is an increase in rake, I would expect to be notified.

For certain stakes--the rake has been increased 40% overnight without informing the players.  The only way I found out was from another player who mentioned it off-hand.

This is particularly troubling given SwC 2.0's history of overraking pots in certain situations--something that was uncovered by the players.  We were eventually refunded for some of the overraked hands, but with no way to verify if that refund was accurate, given that they did not provide any useful hand histories for the purpose of rake calculation.


In short, changing rake % or cap is a business decision, and I don't particularly care if it was increased or decreased.  However, it is a decision that directly affects players' money, and any changes--especially changes that increase the amount of rake players pay--have to be communicated to be the players. To change rake surreptitiously is borderline stealing.

[SkyReVo]

Ofc games now raked at 3% per round.

I am more and more surprised by the horrible/lack of communication from the staff of SWC lately.

Let me preface this by saying, I believe that rake is one of the least issues SWC has and I don't mind the increases (although I don't understand them.. last time BTC price went up, rake% went down, not up..). That being said, I believe that FL HU rake should be adjusted. For comparison, here is PokerStars 2-handed rake. And as said before, you are the only site apart from them offering FL mixed games.



and SWC for comparison:



The reason for this is that FL games have much narrower edges than their NL equivalents. For example, in FLHE, 1,5BB per 100 hands is considered a good winrate nowadays.

This becomes even more drastic when the game is split pot (FLO8, Stud8, Baducey, Badacey, etc.)

I was one of the driving forces for PokerStars changing this, so I hope you understand the argument and change it back. I have also played a whole bunch of HU Mixed against beansontoast for a challenge.

It is much easier to get full ring games running if/when starting a table and playing HU is actually beatable. With this specific change, I doubt it is.


Thanks for considering it.



P.s.: One more thing: higherhighs is lying in chat saying that rake has gone down for 10/20 - 100/200 NL HU games. This is false. While the rake cap went down, the rake% went up, making it an effective rake increase. It's not a good look to lie to your customers, the spin doesn't work, learn from PokerStars in that regard.

[tokeweed]

What any poker site should do is build a solid poker economy from the bottom up.  Meaning build a healthy microstakes economy that players can start playing in, build their roll and move up.  And the higher stakes start getting filled from there.

This way of thinking is antiquated and doesn't work in today's poker ecology. It's what glitch tried and failed with, gloriously. Every successful poker site has since pivoted.

What's the better way?  I mean it's easier to fill the microstakes tables than medium - high stakes tables imho.  And it does make it more appealing for people to see lots of tables running than an empty site.

[AlexTrebbert]

Ofc games now raked at 3% per round.

I am more and more surprised by the horrible/lack of communication from the staff of SWC lately.

I have not received answers to emails regarding the chat policy on swc that are over 2 weeks old.

SWC chat mod higherhighs is now misrepresenting the rake changes as a rake reduction rather than a rake increase. Would love to hear SWC comment on this as promised by higherhighs on 8/25.

[SkyReVo]

Building on the relative success of the nightly mixed game tournaments and what I've talked about in my other post, I propose a "Mixed game week". Do a tournament in the 2-10k range every hour from 6pm ET to 3am ET, maybe a 25k on Sunday, that's 7 tournaments, just use the 7 you have daily now. Put some satties up aswell.

Make the NL variants rebuys (Big Bet and Omaha Mix) and tweak the structure for the FL games to have less play early but more play later on.

Watch all the mixed game players actually show up because there's not just that one bare tournament on the schedule.

[SwC_Poker]

THURSDAY DOUBLES STARTING NOW!

Play both A and B tournaments at the same time.

The player with the best combined finish in A and B will win the weekly bonus.

Win both A and B and you will also win the progressive bonus!

Building on the relative success of the nightly mixed game tournaments and what I've talked about in my other post, I propose a "Mixed game week". Do a tournament in the 2-10k range every hour from 6pm ET to 3am ET, maybe a 25k on Sunday, that's 7 tournaments, just use the 7 you have daily now. Put some satties up aswell.

Make the NL variants rebuys (Big Bet and Omaha Mix) and tweak the structure for the FL games to have less play early but more play later on.

Watch all the mixed game players actually show up because there's not just that one bare tournament on the schedule.

Thank you for this and your other suggestions. The team agrees with the points that you made. The tournament schedule is currently being reworked and the information you posted is helpful and will be taken in to account.

If there were to be a 25k tournament added to the regular schedule do you have a suggestion for the best day/time and game varient that you would like to see?

We also love the idea of a mixed game week and will include that in discussions for a future promotion.

An updated daily schedule will be released and added to the lobby soon. Thank you to everyone that has been making suggestions. We welcome you to continue to post suggestions for tournaments that you'd like to see.

Fixed Limit rake has been adjusted today to lower the % and caps.

You can view the current rake table and compare it to previous rake tables on the website at https://swcpoker.eu/old-rake

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[SkyReVo]

Personally, I believe the 25k should be an 8game (people aren't as familiar with baducey and badacey unfortunately), and if I were to choose a timeslot, it would be 6pm or 7pm ET (probably 6pm, as 7pm has the 10k NLHE 6max) on Saturday as to not collide with the Sunday tourneys.

[TwitchySeal]

Biased opinion here bc I look forward to badugi/uecy/acey rounds the most, but I feel like 11 game > 8 game for a nightly higher buyin tourney.  It's true more games = fewer people having experience with all of them, but if someone is willing to play triple draw but doesn't know how to play badugi games, they're probably willing to learn and jump in without much experience.

Do a different mix each night during the week, Stud/Stud8/O8, Draw games, HORSE, 8 game and 11 game.

[Steamtyme]

Not a biggie but it would be nice to see an update after the Thursday double plays out, announcing who won the best finish across both tournaments, even just the average needed to win it that week.

For anyone here who doesn't already participate we are starting our 4th Bitcointalk poker series - sponsored by SWC this Sunday. Information can be found here, no late reg and it's password protected.

[BTCLiz]

SWC chat mod higherhighs is now misrepresenting the rake changes as a rake reduction rather than a rake increase. Would love to hear SWC comment on this as promised by higherhighs on 8/25.

If this is the case for real SWC is leading unfortunately leading in the wrong direction.

Are there any plans to change the BBJ to the old system again? I would love to see that!

[SwC_Poker]

UPDATED DAILY SCHEDULE

The daily tournament schedule is currently in the process of being updated with increased guarantees and the addition of some new tournaments that offer higher buy-in options.

These include a new 2k NLH with 40k GTD every day at 6pm ET, a 5k 8-Max NLH with 75k GTD every evening at 9pm ET, a 500 NLH with 30k GTD every evening at 10pm ET, and a late night 2k NLH with 30k GTD every night at 12am ET.

We will continue to roll out new tournaments throughout the upcoming week.

Personally, I believe the 25k should be an 8game (people aren't as familiar with baducey and badacey unfortunately), and if I were to choose a timeslot, it would be 6pm or 7pm ET (probably 6pm, as 7pm has the 10k NLHE 6max) on Saturday as to not collide with the Sunday tourneys.

Biased opinion here bc I look forward to badugi/uecy/acey rounds the most, but I feel like 11 game > 8 game for a nightly higher buyin tourney.  It's true more games = fewer people having experience with all of them, but if someone is willing to play triple draw but doesn't know how to play badugi games, they're probably willing to learn and jump in without much experience.

Thank you both for the feedback. We understand some players will have split preferences on the 8-Game/11-Game choice. The new 10k 11-Game on Sunday has been promising. We will continue to gather feedback with those players and see if there's a choice that is most popular.

Do a different mix each night during the week, Stud/Stud8/O8, Draw games, HORSE, 8 game and 11 game.

There is a newly added 5k mix every evening at 8:30pm ET that rotates games Monday - Saturday.

Monday: OE
Tuesday: 8-Game
Wednesday: Omaha Mix
Thursday: Lowball Mix
Friday: HORSE
Saturday: Big Bet Mix

If players have suggestions for additions or subtractions to the rotation please share them.

Are there any plans to change the BBJ to the old system again? I would love to see that!

There are no plans to change the Bad Beat Jackpot qualifier at this time. One option in the future might be to have a tiered system that lowers the qualifying hand requirements as the BBJ reaches certain levels. We welcome your ideas and feedback on what you'd like to see in the future. But for now and the foreseeable future it will remain as Aces Full of Kings beaten.

Not a biggie but it would be nice to see an update after the Thursday double plays out, announcing who won the best finish across both tournaments, even just the average needed to win it that week.

For anyone here who doesn't already participate we are starting our 4th Bitcointalk poker series - sponsored by SWC this Sunday. Information can be found here, no late reg and it's password protected.

Thank you, you are right. We will post an update here after the Thrusday Doubles with results on which player had the best finish and include the following week's progressive jackpot amount.

[SwC_Poker]

ANNOUNCING THE MICRO
BITCOIN SERIES OF POKER!

SEP 4th - SEP 13th

The Micro Bitcoin Series of Poker will be held from September 4th thru September 13th and consists of 30 tournaments over the course of 10 days. Tournaments are spaced throughout the day to give players around the World the opportunity to play a tournament that fits in their schedule.

Similar to the BSOP there will also be a leaderboard with prizes for the top 10 finishers!

With a wide variety of games the MBSOP is a great opportunity to try out something new in a low stakes and fun environment!

[marlais]

Hey, I think you guys forgot to announce that SWC changed the house rules and is no longer covering the transaction fee for withdrawals. Are there any other changes that players should know about?

I hear that you started raking rebuys and add-ons sometime in the last few weeks, too. I couldn't find any mention of that on the website, though. How much are rebuys and add-ons being raked now? When was the change made?

[TwitchySeal]

ANNOUNCING THE MICRO
BITCOIN SERIES OF POKER!

I think you should make it really easy to figure out how the leader board works and what the prizes are.  Make sure the way you calculate points isn't stupid or there will be nonstop bitching about it.  

If you want to do something gimicky and interesting you could have 50% of the rake collected go towards the leaderboard prizes.

Also you really should address the rake increase thing before posting anymore big image promo stuff.  It looks like you're trying to bury the criticism which will only make things worse.  Increasing rake without announcing it is a big nono.  You could've announced twice the increase and gotten half the pushback really.  Poker players don't like to feel like someone is trying to pull one over on them.

[SwC_Poker]

Hey, I think you guys forgot to announce that SWC changed the house rules and is no longer covering the transaction fee for withdrawals. Are there any other changes that players should know about?

I hear that you started raking rebuys and add-ons sometime in the last few weeks, too. I couldn't find any mention of that on the website, though. How much are rebuys and add-ons being raked now? When was the change made?

Withdrawals are free for players. SwC covers the transaction fee. Players receive the full amount of bitcoin requested. This has not changed.

There is also no limit to the number of free withdrawals a player may request.

Thank you for pointing this out so that this line can be removed.

Yes, rebuys and addons are charged an entry fee. As shown on the website, scheduled tournaments with a guaranteed prize pool will have a total entry fee of 6% or less. This has not changed.

You are correct that this should have been made more clear to explicitly include info about rebuys and addons.

This will be updated, and in the future we will make sure that everything is made clear and communicated to players via all channels.

So, can a "normal player" as you call him now decide who and who doesn't qualify for promotions? You really need to clear this up. He is still defrauding people daily on your site.

No. As mentioned many times higherhighs is not an SwC employee and is not in a position to decide anything regarding SwC. Their only role is as a player that has volunteered to help send in reports regarding chat rules and to forward suggestions from players. They have no authority that any other player does not possess.

All players are also welcome to send in reports, questions, feedback, ideas and suggestions via email, Twitter or here in this thread. Decisions regarding these are then made by SwC management. Many additions and adjustments have come as a result of suggestions and feedback given directly by players.

We are trying to make this as clear as possible. Any confusion about a user in chat having the authority to make these decisions is either a misinterpretation of what they said or a misrepresentation on their part. Official statements will come from official SwC accounts. If you have issues with another user please send an email to support.

ANNOUNCING THE MICRO
BITCOIN SERIES OF POKER!

I think you should make it really easy to figure out how the leader board works and what the prizes are.  Make sure the way you calculate points isn't stupid or there will be nonstop bitching about it. 

If you want to do something gimicky and interesting you could have 50% of the rake collected go towards the leaderboard prizes.

Also you really should address the rake increase thing before posting anymore big image promo stuff.  It looks like you're trying to bury the criticism which will only make things worse.  Increasing rake without announcing it is a big nono.  You could've announced twice the increase and gotten half the pushback really.  Poker players don't like to feel like someone is trying to pull one over on them.

You are right. The intention was for the rake adjustment to take place with an announcement to be posted shortly ahead of time.

The website was updated beforehand to correctly display the new rake schedule but the accompanying announcement was not posted at the correct time. This was an internal miscommunication and mistake that SwC acknowledges and apologizes for. Extra care will be taken to make sure everything is communicated clearly and on time in the future.

SwC has always been committed to being completely transparent with rake adjustments. The current rake schedule, along with comparisons to all past rake schedules, can always be found on the website at this address:

https://swcpoker.eu/old-rake

Some of the percentages have seen a small increase but the rake caps for most situations have also been lowered. As Bitcoin value increases we will continue to make adjustments necessary to lower caps to keep them in line.


The prizes for the MBSOP Leaderboard will be posted before the series begins.

The formula used to determine leaderboard points will be the same formula used during the BSOP:

Leaderboard Points= 10 x (√Field Size/√Finish) x (1+Log (Buy-In+0.25))

Daily updates of the leaderboard with current point totals will be posted here at the conclusion of each day's events.


The schedule for the next tournament series that includes larger mid and high stakes buy-ins is currently being finalized and will be posted here soon. Expect the kickoff date to be approximately 3-4 weeks from now.  There will be a tournament leaderboard for that series also.

If you have suggestions for events that you would like to see please let us know.

What was your favorite event from the BSOP that you want to see again? What do you feel was missing that you would like to see included?

[SwC_Poker]

UPDATED DAILY SCHEDULE

CURRENT THURSDAY DOUBLES BONUS

Play both A and B tournaments at the same time.

The player with the best combined finish in A and B will win the weekly bonus.

Win both A and B and you will also win the progressive bonus!

As shown on the website, scheduled tournaments with a guaranteed prize pool will have a total entry fee of 6% or less. This has not changed.

This new one may have been mistakenly put up then.

Good on the withdrawals.

Suggestion for the next series: 5k Omaha Mix (or any NL mix) rebuy with an extended rebuy phase. Maybe an event with multiple day 1s - I forgot what they're called, Phase? Something like that. And 25ks, ofcourse.

Yes, this was the first day for that new tournament and the entry fee should have been 120.    Players were pre-registered before the tournament could be updated so 100 chips for each entry has been added to the prize pool to be distributed to players according to their finish in the money. The tournament has been corrected for next week.

Would this be a rebuy/add-on tournament with the option to double rebuy? We have not yet run a 5k rebuy or one featuring a mixed game but would be open to the possibility if there is sufficient demand.