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[tokeweed]

Lot of misinformation here, so I'm gonna try to clarify:

Yes, No Limit Hold'em bots are a thing and they are not bad. They can be pretty strong heads-up and beat midstakes online for small winrates. They are also non-trivial to find and none of us have the will, tools or sample sizes to do so.

That being said, as someone who plays on SWC a lot, I can tell you that none of the players there are good enough or play frequently enough to come even close to being a bot. Once the site grows to a reasonable size and there is incentive to run them on multiple tables, the issue may arise, but as of now, I'm 99.9% sure that bots are currently not a thing you have to worry about.

Yup, a lot.  Lol.

Have you tried looking at the OFCP tables?

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[SkyReVo]

Lot of misinformation here, so I'm gonna try to clarify:

Yes, No Limit Hold'em bots are a thing and they are not bad. They can be pretty strong heads-up and beat midstakes online for small winrates. They are also non-trivial to find and none of us have the will, tools or sample sizes to do so.

That being said, as someone who plays on SWC a lot, I can tell you that none of the players there are good enough or play frequently enough to come even close to being a bot. Once the site grows to a reasonable size and there is incentive to run them on multiple tables, the issue may arise, but as of now, I'm 99.9% sure that bots are currently not a thing you have to worry about.

Yup, a lot.  Lol.

Have you tried looking at the OFCP tables?

I don't think we play the same limits...

[CryptoMaven]

Why is it that non-playing observers can enter chat at tournament table but not at a ring table?

[1982dre]

Why is it that non-playing observers can enter chat at tournament table but not at a ring table?

Probably because tournaments are attracting more watchers and they all want to congratulate the winner at the end. 

[Betwrong]

Lot of misinformation here, so I'm gonna try to clarify:

Yes, No Limit Hold'em bots are a thing and they are not bad. They can be pretty strong heads-up and beat midstakes online for small winrates. They are also non-trivial to find and none of us have the will, tools or sample sizes to do so.
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From my experience, poker players usually say quite the opposite about No Limit Hold'em bots. I used to play with them a lot in the past, and I can say that they are easily outplayed, because after some time it feels like you can see their cards. For example, if they go all-in on pre-flop, no way they are bluffing, and you should call it only if you have a really strong hand. But if they raise like 30% of the pot during a game, you should re-raise to 100%, no matter what cards you have, and they will fold in most of the cases. Also, unless they have a really good hand, they will never call your raise on the pre-flop. And if they called, just keep raising, and they will fold most of the time. That's what I've learned from playing with bots for months a couple of years ago.

[tokeweed]

^  What poker site were you playing at, what stake and most importantly, can you remember their screen names.

Edit:  And when?

[Betwrong]

^  What poker site were you playing at, what stake and most importantly, can you remember their screen names.

Edit:  And when?

At first I thought that I wouldn't promote another poker site in this thread by mentioning it, but then I checked and it wasn't working anymore, so I think I can tell you. The name was btckings, and it was around two years ago. Btw, the owners admitted they had bots and even listed their screen names in their thread on bitcointalk. You can find it through search.

Regarding SwC Poker, I don't think there are bots playing at their tables. People might think there are bots though. I remember someone calling me bot at the chat. But I'm not a bot.

[tokeweed]

^  Those 'bots' were prolly used as props to start games at the lowest stakes just to get some action going.  That's far from the professional bot rings that run on Stars and Party which rake in a decent amount of money.

[SkyReVo]

6/4/2019 SwC Update

SwC has decided to cover the bitcoin network fee for player withdrawals while we build lightning network functionality. If we find players abusing this generous policy by requesting many small withdrawals management will be forced to make additional rulings at management discretion.

Our software refactor is expected to take weeks or months to complete, for it is a large project. We will introduce 'leaderboard' promotion before the software refactor is finished, as that does not require additional client functions.

2 1/2 months have gone by, any ETAs? "Weeks or months" have passed, the leaderboard was supposed to drop before that.

After 4.0 hits (I refuse to call it a refactor), can we finally have 2-7NLSD back? I don't even dare to ask for the circus games.

Can you give us anything that gives us hope you're actually trying to populate this site? Because it has been exceptionally dead the last couple weeks.

[GamblingSiteFinder]

2 1/2 months have gone by, any ETAs? "Weeks or months" have passed, the leaderboard was supposed to drop before that.

After 4.0 hits (I refuse to call it a refactor), can we finally have 2-7NLSD back? I don't even dare to ask for the circus games.

Can you give us anything that gives us hope you're actually trying to populate this site? Because it has been exceptionally dead the last couple weeks.

In SwC Poker's defense, we are in the peak summer months, so I'd imagine traffic numbers should be significantly lower than in the fall/winter. But that being said, business is business. If updates are promised, it's in SwC Poker's best interest to keep players informed on any progress made.

In my opinion, it's okay to miss deadlines or fall short on projections [unless it becomes a habit] as long as everyone involved is well-informed throughout the entire process. Hopefully SwC can provide us with some answers shortly!

[Betwrong]

^  Those 'bots' were prolly used as props to start games at the lowest stakes just to get some action going.  That's far from the professional bot rings that run on Stars and Party which rake in a decent amount of money.

Idk, are they any better?  AI poker bots is a whole different story though. It has been proven recently that Pluribus can play pretty good against 6 poker pros winning most of the games. The poker pros admitted that they were unable to find a consistent weakness in its game, and also that Pluribus was remarkably good at bluffing. But I don't think poker sites can afford such a machine.


Having 127 Krill, I'm wondering will there be freerolls for 100+ Krill on SwCPoker, or 500+ Krill is the lowest limit for that?

[shtako]

^  Those 'bots' were prolly used as props to start games at the lowest stakes just to get some action going.  That's far from the professional bot rings that run on Stars and Party which rake in a decent amount of money.

Idk, are they any better?  AI poker bots is a whole different story though. It has been proven recently that Pluribus can play pretty good against 6 poker pros winning most of the games. The poker pros admitted that they were unable to find a consistent weakness in its game, and also that Pluribus was remarkably good at bluffing. But I don't think poker sites can afford such a machine.


Having 127 Krill, I'm wondering will there be freerolls for 100+ Krill on SwCPoker, or 500+ Krill is the lowest limit for that?

Its not house run bots that's the problem. If SwC had enough volume someone would run bots there as well.

[SwC_Poker]

Update: team continues to work on the software refactor. we have leaderboards ready but we will hold on all marketing and promotions besides affiliate program until we finish refactor. refactor is needed to fix bugs, stop introducing new bugs, and give team ability to add features. the swc team decided that we must improve the product before marketing and new promotions. it is slow and careful process, but team making good progress and active development is full strength.

[tokeweed]

^  Those 'bots' were prolly used as props to start games at the lowest stakes just to get some action going.  That's far from the professional bot rings that run on Stars and Party which rake in a decent amount of money.

Idk, are they any better?  AI poker bots is a whole different story though. It has been proven recently that Pluribus can play pretty good against 6 poker pros winning most of the games. The poker pros admitted that they were unable to find a consistent weakness in its game, and also that Pluribus was remarkably good at bluffing. But I don't think poker sites can afford such a machine.


Having 127 Krill, I'm wondering will there be freerolls for 100+ Krill on SwCPoker, or 500+ Krill is the lowest limit for that?

Lol.  Just look it up, do a search on 'Pokerstars bot ring'.  There are some threads about it at poker forums too.

[tokeweed]

Update: team continues to work on the software refactor. we have leaderboards ready but we will hold on all marketing and promotions besides affiliate program until we finish refactor. refactor is needed to fix bugs, stop introducing new bugs, and give team ability to add features. the swc team decided that we must improve the product before marketing and new promotions. it is slow and careful process, but team making good progress and active development is full strength.

Cool.  I hope you consider all past suggestions made.  It's really important to have a poker economy built from the bottom up...  That means promoting smaller stakes as they are the games with the lowest barrier of entry (financially and skill level).

[tokeweed]

You guys heard the news?  Stars has reduced the max tables allowed to only 4 at the same time for regular cash games.  Zoom could follow.

Multitabling regs could start moving over to the zoom tables imo...  Where Stars can rake them quicker.  Lolol.

[SwC_Poker]

team is planning for maintenance on Monday to push an update. this update is mostly back end changes that won't be noticed by players, but is important step in software refactor.

[tokeweed]

^  Can you give us an ETA on the software refactor?  Thanks.  Traffic's going down a bit... 

[SwC_Poker]

software refactor is ongoing and under active development. it is a long process and team is working hard.

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