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April 09, 2015, 04:12:29 PM
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The devs are already busy with resolving your issue. I'll let you know as soon as it's done!
- solved it, just rename walletname.keys.back to walletname.keys and use walletname.back as your wallet name in simplewallet

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Today the Bytecoin team has released a fundamentally new GUI wallet, featuring modern design, intuitive interface, and high speed of operations in Bytecoin system. Bytecoin Wallet is available in versions for all major OS and allows new users to start working with Bytecoin swiftly.

Bytecoin Wallet is the second part of Bytecoin v.1.0.3 release. Earlier this week Bytecoin Reference Client has been updated to introduce new high and low-level API. These APIs give smart access to Bytecoin engine and allow third party developers to focus on building their own applications and services according to their business requirements.

Bytecoin Wallet and API libraries together represent an updated Bytecoin technology that allows both users and developers to shape and improve Bytecoin ecosystem, and take part in it in a simple and comfortable way.

Share your thoughts with us! We invite you to download and test Bytecoin Wallet. Your feedback is valuable for us and will affect usability and upcoming features.

Download Bytecoin Wallet


Bytecoin Wallet: Overview

Dashboard



The Overview tab is the first thing you see when you launch Bytecoin Wallet. We've tried to make this screen both informative and simple. Overview is going to be updated with further releases when more Bytecon features are implemented. Its purpose is to provide you with a quick insight into your recent financial operations.

With Bytecoin Wallet release we've rethought the way we indicate the balance. We believe this to be more intuitive than it was originally implemented in simplewallet.

* Available balance is the funds that are available for transactions.
* Locked amount shows the funds that are not yet available (unconfirmed transactions, the coins you've mined, time-locked transaction)
* Total

This change has been implemented in simplewallet too.


Send Bytecoin



With Bytecoin you are able to send money to various users with one transaction. You may add several recipients, but keep in mind that the transaction with a high number of addresses may get rejected due to being excessively large.

The way CryptoNote transactions are visualized in Bytecoin Wallet makes sending money simple and unambigious. What's more, the wallet provides you with exact feedback in case there might be something wrong with the transaction.

Please note that you are unable to send Bytecoin in case you're not synchronized with the network yet. The interface will get unlocked once your local blockchain is up-to-date.


Transactions



Transactions screen hosts the story of your financial operations. You may filter the table, check transactions info or export all data in CSV.


Contacts



Address book is a simple must-have for long CryptoNote addresses.


Important notes

First launch

Once you open Bytecoin Wallet, it will automatically create your first Bytecoin address and start synchronizing with the network.


Wallet encryption

It is highly recommended that you encrypt your new Bytecoin wallet with a password. Leaving the wallet unprotected makes it vulnerable in case your system is compromised.

To encrypt your wallet, choose "Settings" menu and then "Encrypt wallet".


Wallet file format

Unlike Bytecoin Reference Client, Bytecoin Wallet uses .wallet files instead of legacy .keys files to store your private keys for each wallet.

Bytecoin Wallet is able to import .keys files (with the existing password), but it will create a .wallet file for further operations.


Bytecoin Wallet files

Bytecoin Wallet introduces several new files stored in the standard Bytecoin folder:

Windows: C:\Users\%user_name%\AppData\Roaming\bytecoin\
OSX/Linux: ~/.bytecoin/

The most commonly used files are the following:

1. bytecoinwallet.wallet – a default wallet keys file that is created on first startup of Bytecoin wallet and gives access to your fresh Bytecoin address.

2. bytecoinwallet.log – a log file for the node that is running inside Bytecoin Wallet.


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April 09, 2015, 07:48:06 PM
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Interesting....

Some relevant posts on the impact of the Bytecoin premine / ninjamine on anonymity / privacy / fungibility.

crossposting because it was posted in a moderated thread and 99% certain it will be deleted

CryptoNote assets would be amazing!! If only there wasn't the bad 'smell' around the ~80% premine.

That premine could be a blessing in disguise if it were used to subsidize people who issue and maintain Assets like Bitshares': Assets tied to others.

The 82% premine is indeed a blessing in disguise - they own so many of the outputs in the txoset that they can trivially deanonymise everyone's transactions.

Let me say that again: as 82% of Bytecoin's outputs are controlled by persons unknown to the cryptocurrency community, those unknown entities (or entity) can deanonymise every transaction you make with Bytecoin.

There is no way around this, there is nothing they can do to reduce the attack surface. Even if 1000 sock puppets come forward and claim to own a portion of those outputs it is still impossible for anyone to independently verify.

Technical details of why such massive output ownership is a death knoll can be found in MRL-0001: A Note on Chain Reactions in Traceability in CryptoNote 2.0

Aaaaaand it's gone.

... and the desire of certain vested interests to suppress this information.

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations."

I'd do it, but you're not worth the effort.

My post lives on in perpetuity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg11034402#msg11034402
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April 09, 2015, 08:09:44 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

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April 09, 2015, 08:15:25 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

I hadn't seen his post yet. Good point, though. It is relevant that the Bytecoin scammers consider any critical information or discussion of the fraudulent premine to be "FUD"

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April 09, 2015, 08:27:48 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

I hadn't seen his post yet. Good point, though. It is relevant that the Bytecoin scammers consider any critical information or discussion of the fraudulent premine to be "FUD"



It's a shame Bytecoin was released in this way, there is obviously a nice amount of effort and knowledge behind it. But being that shady ruins the whole experience, and those unknown txout's in their hands it's a valid concern.
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April 09, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

I hadn't seen his post yet. Good point, though. It is relevant that the Bytecoin scammers consider any critical information or discussion of the fraudulent premine to be "FUD"



It's a shame Bytecoin was released in this way, there is obviously a nice amount of effort and knowledge behind it. But being that shady ruins the whole experience, and those unknown txout's in their hands it's a valid concern.

Yes I agree with you. I mined and supported Bytecoin at the beginning when it looked like some very interesting and revolutionary technology. It was only later that I and others realized it was being promoted fraudulently and I moved on from it. If the launch and the team behind it had not turned out to be a scam I never would have left.


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April 09, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

I hadn't seen his post yet. Good point, though. It is relevant that the Bytecoin scammers consider any critical information or discussion of the fraudulent premine to be "FUD"




It's a shame Bytecoin was released in this way, there is obviously a nice amount of effort and knowledge behind it. But being that shady ruins the whole experience, and those unknown txout's in their hands it's a valid concern.

Yes I agree with you. I mined and supported Bytecoin at the beginning when it looked like some very interesting and revolutionary technology. It was only later that I and others realized it was being promoted fraudulently and I moved on from it. If the launch and the team behind it had not turned out to be a scam I never would have left.




why are you so mad about them? bytecoin devs don't look like a crazy people. how stupid should they be to kill the coin by flooding the market with all the coins you claim they have after they put a lot of effort to it. I read their blog and messages and an interview. they don't sound like dumb people. What will they do with 82%?!
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April 09, 2015, 10:33:57 PM
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Smooth, nice try, but you didn't quote ullo's answer:

There's no need spreading fud in the roadmap thread.

The point you're making is a good take on the CryptoNote technology itself. I've forwarded MRL-0001 to the team to let them do the review of Monero's research. I'll provide you with our conclusions.

To fellow bytecoiners: can we have a separate board maybe?

I hadn't seen his post yet. Good point, though. It is relevant that the Bytecoin scammers consider any critical information or discussion of the fraudulent premine to be "FUD"




It's a shame Bytecoin was released in this way, there is obviously a nice amount of effort and knowledge behind it. But being that shady ruins the whole experience, and those unknown txout's in their hands it's a valid concern.


Yes I agree with you. I mined and supported Bytecoin at the beginning when it looked like some very interesting and revolutionary technology. It was only later that I and others realized it was being promoted fraudulently and I moved on from it. If the launch and the team behind it had not turned out to be a scam I never would have left.




why are you so mad about them?

Not mad, just reporting the facts, and keeping them in plain sight because:

Yeah, I've noticed the Bytecoin scam team is trying mount a bit of a comeback and lure in unsuspecting people who are probably not familiar with what actually happened.

Definitely a good time to get this thread out again to hopefully save some people money.


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bytecoin devs don't look like a crazy people. how stupid should they be to kill the coin by flooding the market with all the coins you claim they have after they put a lot of effort to it. I read their blog and messages and an interview. they don't sound like dumb people. What will they do with 82%?!

They could burn the coins. They could even do an ICO as illodin suggested, although in reality crypto ICOs are a fatally flawed model because there is nothing to prevent the developer from buying their own coins (which leaves them with both the coins and the BTC used to buy them). But to do either would require they admit the entire story about two years on the deep web (since 2012) and thousands of people mining and using it to be a year-long fraud (which it is, but they won't admit it).

As for a separate board, that will never happen either (I mean, not as a substitute) because the main goal of the people behind this project is defraud money from crypto investors, who for the most part are here. Talking to themselves and a very few honest but deluded supporters on a walled-garden board won't accomplish that.
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April 09, 2015, 11:44:37 PM
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That is quite an insulting statement to both Bytecoin devs and the community members.

Do you mind me explaining you why I disagree?

When you see Bytecoin for the first time, you notice something distinctive about it among a thousand of various coins. There are only a handful of such projects on the market. It breathes change, it gives market radically new things to experiment with. There are only a handful of other projects that are this huge in technology terms. It was the first to implement anonymity in cryptocurrencies. That was a hard one to crack for the crypto, wasn't it? It gave birth to a diverse multi-million market, it allowed new projects to emerge, new strong communities to gather, it breathed in new ideas. That's what makes Bytecoin truly inspiring.

Bytecoin roadmap may potentially be very huge. Colored coins, digital assets, scripts. Currently there is not to many projects daring to implement such features. When I think about the potential system that Bytecoin can become, I do wish them luck. I like thinking that we almost live in future. I support projects like Bytecoin because they advance it.

And as far as I can judge from the latest release and post on Bytecoin engine, they Bytecoin devs know what they're doing.

As for your claims about the scam, you should be telling the other side of the story too. Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].

In any case, you may not trust, but you may wait and see.
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April 09, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
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That is quite an insulting statement to both Bytecoin devs and the community members.

Do you mind me explaining you why I disagree?

When you see Bytecoin for the first time, you notice something distinctive about it among a thousand of various coins. There are only a handful of such projects on the market. It breathes change, it gives market radically new things to experiment with. There are only a handful of other projects that are this huge in technology terms. It was the first to implement anonymity in cryptocurrencies. That was a hard one to crack for the crypto, wasn't it? It gave birth to a diverse multi-million market, it allowed new projects to emerge, new strong communities to gather, it breathed in new ideas. That's what makes Bytecoin truly inspiring.

Bytecoin roadmap may potentially be very huge. Colored coins, digital assets, scripts. Currently there is not to many projects daring to implement such features. When I think about the potential system that Bytecoin can become, I do wish them luck. I like thinking that we almost live in future. I support projects like Bytecoin because they advance it.

And as far as I can judge from the latest release and post on Bytecoin engine, they Bytecoin devs know what they're doing.

As for your claims about the scam, you should be telling the other side of the story too. Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].

In any case, you may not trust, but you may wait and see.

its an obvious scam!
if the team at least would have been honest at start we could talk about it. but taking an 80% premine and try to tell us its from 2012? stupid liars!

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April 09, 2015, 11:56:31 PM
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I don't blame you for being harsh, but could you possibly consider re-reading what I've written above. You may not believe me now, this doesn't change a thing.
Again, I'm telling you, the idea that Bytecoin did not exist in 2012 is absurd and meaningless. Now back to the pillar of your argumentation ([[1] and [2] are clickable and you may read on):

Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].
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I don't blame you for being harsh, but could you possibly consider re-reading what I've written above. You may not believe me now, this doesn't change a thing.
Again, I'm telling you, the idea that Bytecoin did not exist in 2012 is absurd and meaningless. Now back to the pillar of your argumentation ([[1] and [2] are clickable and you may read on):

Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].


I would suggest reading the whole thread where both sides are presented and then form one's own opinion.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0;all. Nevertheless even if we were to grant that this was a ninjamine rather than a premine disguised as a ninjamine one still has to deal with an extremely poor coin distribution that places over 80% of the coins in the hands or one person or a very small group of people. This leads to the attack against anonymity / privacy / fungibility by the those holding the premine / ninjamine.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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April 10, 2015, 12:21:41 AM
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Bytecoin is a shitcoin and a scam. Just as bad as PayCoin. Was Homero part of the Bytecoin scam?

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April 10, 2015, 12:25:42 AM
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Bytecoin is a shitcoin and a scam. Just as bad as PayCoin. Was Homero part of the Bytecoin scam?

Monero was not part of this. Please read the thread I posted above it covers these issues.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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As for your claims about the scam, you should be telling the other side of the story too. Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].

That 'evidence' is bullshit. I was around and I verified the original claims of rethink-your-strategy (as did others) before content on web sites started getting changed to support "alternative explanations" (euphemism for obfuscation, denial, and doubling down on the fraud). The people making claims against the original evidence are either obvious shill accounts or very likely (if not proven; I'm not sure) purchased accounts. There are certainly proven purchased accounts associated with the fraud, so I expect that in any case.

I agree with you that the crypto work on Bytecoin was very good. I'm less impressed with the recent coding work, as the quality has been rather poor (for example, the wallet still crashes under some easy-to-reproduce conditions).

But in any case if the developers of Bytecoin have more of an interest in the technology (and in making a difference to humanity as claimed by the quasi-spirtual stuff they disseminate) than in scamming money from crypto investors with a fraudulent premine and ongoing effort to cover-up, they should either redirect their talents to contributing to one of the few truly open source and transparent cryptocurrency projects such as Bitcoin or Monero, or if they must, they can start their own, which means a new project with a transparent launch, open participation (i.e. not committing tens of thousands of lines to github at one time with no process visibilty to or participation by outsiders), etc.

If they fail to do this their motives are clear.
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Something feels not right about this coin...

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That 'evidence' is bullshit. I was around and I verified the original claims of rethink-your-strategy (as did others) before content on web sites started getting changed to support "alternative explanations" (euphemism for obfuscation, denial, and doubling down on the fraud).

Anyone should read the thread and arrive at his own conclusion. While there was problem with CN whitepaper, the version on Bytecoin website was ok. You did not check it sticking to the text of OP only. That's the story, not what you're trying to tell here.

Also, you've downvoted my karma just for disagreeing with you and stating my opinion. That is the evidence of that you're totally biased. Is this tiny piece of text the reason you did it? It's good for my writing talent to invoke such feelings lol.

That is quite an insulting statement to both Bytecoin devs and the community members.

Do you mind me explaining you why I disagree?

When you see Bytecoin for the first time, you notice something distinctive about it among a thousand of various coins. There are only a handful of such projects on the market. It breathes change, it gives market radically new things to experiment with. There are only a handful of other projects that are this huge in technology terms. It was the first to implement anonymity in cryptocurrencies. That was a hard one to crack for the crypto, wasn't it? It gave birth to a diverse multi-million market, it allowed new projects to emerge, new strong communities to gather, it breathed in new ideas. That's what makes Bytecoin truly inspiring.

Bytecoin roadmap may potentially be very huge. Colored coins, digital assets, scripts. Currently there is not to many projects daring to implement such features. When I think about the potential system that Bytecoin can become, I do wish them luck. I like thinking that we almost live in future. I support projects like Bytecoin because they advance it.

And as far as I can judge from the latest release and post on Bytecoin engine, they Bytecoin devs know what they're doing.

As for your claims about the scam, you should be telling the other side of the story too. Certain people were too fast too lynch both Bytecoin and CryptoNote while there were evidence that this is incorrect [1] [2].

In any case, you may not trust, but you may wait and see.
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April 10, 2015, 08:34:16 AM
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bytecoin devs don't look like a crazy people. how stupid should they be to kill the coin by flooding the market with all the coins you claim they have after they put a lot of effort to it. I read their blog and messages and an interview. they don't sound like dumb people. What will they do with 82%?!

Maybe it's an NSA honeypot to trap dark market users and terrorists. They want to hold on to their 82% so they can deanonymize everyone who thinks they are actually anonymous.
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April 10, 2015, 09:13:06 AM
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bytecoin devs don't look like a crazy people. how stupid should they be to kill the coin by flooding the market with all the coins you claim they have after they put a lot of effort to it. I read their blog and messages and an interview. they don't sound like dumb people. What will they do with 82%?!

Maybe it's an NSA honeypot to trap dark market users and terrorists. They want to hold on to their 82% so they can deanonymize everyone who thinks they are actually anonymous.

Are you sure those 82% coins can be used to trace any other transactions?
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