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June 27, 2015, 11:12:38 PM
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CryptoNote whitepaper was out on october 17, 2013, and the first commit to the Github repo was on november 15, 2013. Had the BCN network started in november nobody would be questioning it. By means of a comparison: nakamoto released the btc whitepaper in november 2008, and the network started in january 2009 with the first client, a not-too-disimilar timeframe. Would it stand to reason, by all accounts, that the individuals behind the cryptoNote whitepaper either wrote the initial code and gave it to the bytecoin developer(s) who then ran with this, falsified a blockchain (trivial), and released it publicly in march after blockchain falsification was complete. Just lol.

No no no. That makes way too much sense.

Here's what I think happened: a bunch of world-class cryptographers got together and created a digital currency in 2012 with groundbreaking, never-before-seen privacy technology, using funding they collectively saved in a penny jar. And who needs a whitepaper, right? Instead, they elevator-pitched many technically savvy (yet unaffiliated) individuals to mine the coin but not so much as mention its existence anywhere (you know, because miners love worthless coins that nobody knows about). And finally, over a year later, they eventually got around to writing a whitepaper that magically references the future.


Hail! - For here come the holier-than-thou brigade, the bigoted, self-entitled would-be crypto-guardians of BCT! Gaze as the Sword of Damocles hovers over their heads, inexorably descending so smoothly upon their hapless incumbency even as I speak!

oh - by-the-by - curious how the cn team dont cry afoul. it is also curious how the cn whitepaper release date is as controversial as the release of BCN. I dont believe the Monerian view of the world adequately captures the subtleties of this crypto-currency.

BTW - Do the CN Team (on their official site) not state a whitepaper date? What do they say?
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June 28, 2015, 12:19:55 AM
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CryptoNote whitepaper was out on october 17, 2013, and the first commit to the Github repo was on november 15, 2013. Had the BCN network started in november nobody would be questioning it. By means of a comparison: nakamoto released the btc whitepaper in november 2008, and the network started in january 2009 with the first client, a not-too-disimilar timeframe. Would it stand to reason, by all accounts, that the individuals behind the cryptoNote whitepaper either wrote the initial code and gave it to the bytecoin developer(s) who then ran with this, falsified a blockchain (trivial), and released it publicly in march after blockchain falsification was complete. Just lol.

No no no. That makes way too much sense.

Here's what I think happened: a bunch of world-class cryptographers got together and created a digital currency in 2012 with groundbreaking, never-before-seen privacy technology, using funding they collectively saved in a penny jar. And who needs a whitepaper, right? Instead, they elevator-pitched many technically savvy (yet unaffiliated) individuals to mine the coin but not so much as mention its existence anywhere (you know, because miners love worthless coins that nobody knows about). And finally, over a year later, they eventually got around to writing a whitepaper that magically references the future.


Hail! - For here come the holier-than-thou brigade, the bigoted, self-entitled would-be crypto-guardians of BCT! Gaze as the Sword of Damocles hovers over their heads, inexorably descending so smoothly upon their hapless incumbency even as I speak!

oh - by-the-by - curious how the cn team dont cry afoul. it is also curious how the cn whitepaper release date is as controversial as the release of BCN. I dont believe the Monerian view of the world adequately captures the subtleties of this crypto-currency.

BTW - Do the CN Team (on their official site) not state a whitepaper date? What do they say?

Well, it seems like they agree that BCN was launched on 4 July 2012:
https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn

And the original white paper is "dated" 12 Dec 2012:
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper_v1.pdf
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June 28, 2015, 04:46:41 AM
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Im new to this coin but I like it already. I am mining the coin like crazy.  Cool

I will look into hosting a Bytecoin faucet in the near future. Wink
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June 28, 2015, 05:11:41 AM
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Its ok really, you have just awoken from a long sleep.

Everything here is just how it seems.

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June 28, 2015, 06:53:28 AM
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Well, it seems like they agree that BCN was launched on 4 July 2012:
https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn


this seems like a pretty conclusive confirmation. wow! and thanks. surely it's not that easy!
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June 28, 2015, 07:15:00 AM
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CryptoNote whitepaper was out on october 17, 2013, and the first commit to the Github repo was on november 15, 2013. Had the BCN network started in november nobody would be questioning it. By means of a comparison: nakamoto released the btc whitepaper in november 2008, and the network started in january 2009 with the first client, a not-too-disimilar timeframe. Would it stand to reason, by all accounts, that the individuals behind the cryptoNote whitepaper either wrote the initial code and gave it to the bytecoin developer(s) who then ran with this, falsified a blockchain (trivial), and released it publicly in march after blockchain falsification was complete. Just lol.

No no no. That makes way too much sense.

Here's what I think happened: a bunch of world-class cryptographers got together and created a digital currency in 2012 with groundbreaking, never-before-seen privacy technology, using funding they collectively saved in a penny jar. And who needs a whitepaper, right? Instead, they elevator-pitched many technically savvy (yet unaffiliated) individuals to mine the coin but not so much as mention its existence anywhere (you know, because miners love worthless coins that nobody knows about). And finally, over a year later, they eventually got around to writing a whitepaper that magically references the future.

Don't forget it supposedly was doing this:

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circulating as a main local currency in one very large international research center,

and yet left no verifiable evidence of any kind anywhere of that activity.

Either people in that "very large international research center" are pretty damn good at keeping secrets, or this part of the story, along with most of the rest, is a steaming pile of horseshit.

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June 28, 2015, 08:24:38 AM
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and yet left no verifiable evidence of any kind anywhere of that activity.

and yet more FUD from the self-appointed Lord of the Crypto-Guardians

What do you make of this smooth?

https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn

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On July 4th 2012 the very first CryptoNote-based coin was born. Bytecoin. The very first cryptocoin whose developers were innovative enough to embrace a new technology and put forth the idea of true anonymity. The CN team had recognized the full potential of Bytecoin from the very beginning and provided extensive assistance on the initial stages of development. Therefore we are prone to name July 4th the starting point for all CryptoNote-based currencies and the day of birth for CN community as a whole.
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June 28, 2015, 08:30:36 AM
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and yet left no verifiable evidence of any kind anywhere of that activity.

and yet more FUD from the self-appointed Lord of the Crypto-Guardians

What do you make of this smooth?

https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn

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On July 4th 2012 the very first CryptoNote-based coin was born. Bytecoin. The very first cryptocoin whose developers were innovative enough to embrace a new technology and put forth the idea of true anonymity. The CN team had recognized the full potential of Bytecoin from the very beginning and provided extensive assistance on the initial stages of development. Therefore we are prone to name July 4th the starting point for all CryptoNote-based currencies and the day of birth for CN community as a whole.

I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part of the same gang, or working together to promote the same made up story about the 2012 launch. There is some direct evidence of the connection in the rethink-your-strategy post under "All tied up in a bow" where it is demonstrated that the cryptonote web site and several of the other cryptonote coin sites -- including bytecoin -- share an implausible set of DNS registration information, email, hosting, and quirks in the CSS source code of the sites themselves.

Show me a credible verifiable source, such as archive.org or another recognized archive site, or a credible identified person (not an easily-created or -purchased forum account) that shows these statements, claims, or activities involving a 2012 launch existing before late 2013.

As i said before, absence of evidence is evidence of absence when there has been a diligent search or sufficient motivation to produce that evidence. In this case we have both of those conditions, and still no verifiable evidence.

I'm repeating myself now but we are told it was circulating as a main local currency at a major international research institution. Activity on that scale would surely leave some evidence, of some kind, somewhere. Where is it?
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June 28, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
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and yet left no verifiable evidence of any kind anywhere of that activity.

and yet more FUD from the self-appointed Lord of the Crypto-Guardians

What do you make of this smooth?

https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn

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On July 4th 2012 the very first CryptoNote-based coin was born. Bytecoin. The very first cryptocoin whose developers were innovative enough to embrace a new technology and put forth the idea of true anonymity. The CN team had recognized the full potential of Bytecoin from the very beginning and provided extensive assistance on the initial stages of development. Therefore we are prone to name July 4th the starting point for all CryptoNote-based currencies and the day of birth for CN community as a whole.

I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part of the same gang, or working together to promote the same made up story about the 2012 launch. There is some direct evidence of the connection in the rethink-your-strategy post under "All tied up in a bow" where it is demonstrated that the cryptonote web site and several of the other cryptonote coin sites -- including bytecoin -- share an implausible set of DNS registration information, email, hosting, and quirks in the CSS source code of the sites themselves.

Show me a credible verifiable source, such as archive.org or another recognized archive site, or a credible identified person (not an easily-created or -purchased forum account) that shows these statements, claims, or activities involving a 2012 launch existing before late 2013.

As i said before, absence of evidence is evidence of absence when there has been a diligent search or sufficient motivation to produce that evidence. In this case we have both of those conditions, and still no verifiable evidence.

I'm repeating myself now but we are told it was circulating as a main local currency at a major international research institution. Activity on that scale would surely leave some evidence, of some kind, somewhere. Where is it?


Well that's quite the conspiracy; so elaborate, detailed and long-running. Almost as if you're the one now reaching. If only a whistle-blower could confirm the XMR story.

Absence of evidence is absence of evidence. The guys behind BCN and CN do not appear to feel the need to prove anything to anyone, least of all you. This is not the kind of technology which would leave a nice trail of evidence for you to follow. That's kind of the point - anonymity in everything.
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June 28, 2015, 10:02:23 AM
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and yet left no verifiable evidence of any kind anywhere of that activity.

and yet more FUD from the self-appointed Lord of the Crypto-Guardians

What do you make of this smooth?

https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/4/july-4th-birthday-of-bytecoin-bcn

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On July 4th 2012 the very first CryptoNote-based coin was born. Bytecoin. The very first cryptocoin whose developers were innovative enough to embrace a new technology and put forth the idea of true anonymity. The CN team had recognized the full potential of Bytecoin from the very beginning and provided extensive assistance on the initial stages of development. Therefore we are prone to name July 4th the starting point for all CryptoNote-based currencies and the day of birth for CN community as a whole.

I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part of the same gang, or working together to promote the same made up story about the 2012 launch. There is some direct evidence of the connection in the rethink-your-strategy post under "All tied up in a bow" where it is demonstrated that the cryptonote web site and several of the other cryptonote coin sites -- including bytecoin -- share an implausible set of DNS registration information, email, hosting, and quirks in the CSS source code of the sites themselves.

Show me a credible verifiable source, such as archive.org or another recognized archive site, or a credible identified person (not an easily-created or -purchased forum account) that shows these statements, claims, or activities involving a 2012 launch existing before late 2013.

As i said before, absence of evidence is evidence of absence when there has been a diligent search or sufficient motivation to produce that evidence. In this case we have both of those conditions, and still no verifiable evidence.

I'm repeating myself now but we are told it was circulating as a main local currency at a major international research institution. Activity on that scale would surely leave some evidence, of some kind, somewhere. Where is it?


Well that's quite the conspiracy; so elaborate, detailed and long-running. Almost as if you're the one now reaching. If only a whistle-blower could confirm the XMR story.

Absence of evidence is absence of evidence. The guys behind BCN and CN do not appear to feel the need to prove anything to anyone, least of all you. This is not the kind of technology which would leave a nice trail of evidence for you to follow. That's kind of the point - anonymity in everything.

There's no "conspiracy" really, just an altcoin premine scam with a somewhat creative backstory, which is something that has happened many times before, and will probably happen a few times again. In fact that's exactly the point. The obvious (and obviously correct) interpretation is far less "long running" than the bogus 2012 story.

If anything the conspiracy would be keeping two years of mining and usage including "circulating as a main local currency at a major international research center" from generating any verifiable evidence whatsoever.

You're looking for some elaborate explanation when the simple and obvious one is just an attempt at a premine scam driven by greed. If you don't accept that, then you have to come up with something far more contrived to explain away the evidence of forgery, fraud, false claims of independence between obvious sock puppet projects, lack of evidence for claimed activity on a scale that surely would create such evidence, and other inconvenient details.

I understand though, you find it all mysterious and intriguing and want to believe. Go ahead then. Carry on.
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There's no "conspiracy" really, just an altcoin premine scam with a somewhat creative backstory, which is something that has happened many times before, and will probably happen a few times again. In fact that's exactly the point. The obvious (and obviously correct) interpretation is far less "long running" than the bogus 2012 story.

If anything the conspiracy would be keeping two years of mining and usage including "circulating as a main local currency at a major international research center" from generating any verifiable evidence whatsoever.

You're looking for some elaborate explanation when the simple and obvious one is just an attempt at a premine scam driven by greed. If you don't accept that, then you have to come up with something far more contrived to explain away the evidence of forgery, fraud, false claims of independence between obvious sock puppet projects, lack of evidence for claimed activity on a scale that surely would create such evidence, and other inconvenient details.

I understand though, you find it all mysterious and intriguing and want to believe. Go ahead then. Carry on.



"Somewhat creative backstory" is a gross understatement. From the Victor Hugo quotes in the blockchain to the recent interviews with Harry Ullo combined with the advanced crypto that has been and continues to be produced. Cryptographers must be some of the most surveilled people in society. For the creators of CN and BCN to have retained their anonymity is quite an accomplishment. Confusion regarding the backstory and dates can only help them retain it.

Given how elaborate the story is I'm don't believe we can say with confidence whether one interpretation or the other is the correct one.

It's true to say I find it "mysterious and intriguing and want to believe". You got me there.
It might also be true to say that at this point you don't want to believe and have a vested interest in Monero.

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June 28, 2015, 12:32:41 PM
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…I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part …

the cryptonote site is a part of the https://cryptonotefoundation.org/ site. Members of the foundation include
Johannes Meier, Maurice Planck, Max Jameson, Brandon Hawking & more. I assume these are public figures. If so are they a part of the scam smooth?
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…I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part …

the cryptonote site is a part of the https://cryptonotefoundation.org/ site. Members of the foundation include
Johannes Meier, Maurice Planck, Max Jameson, Brandon Hawking & more. I assume these are public figures. If so are they a part of the scam smooth?


They're pseudonyms based on the names of famous scientists. There's no reason to assume they are even separate people, why would you assume they're public figures?
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i need wallet for 32 bit windows. Can someone help me .where can i download for 32 bit and how to make backup?
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…I think its more of the same made up story, and yes I've said long ago that whoever is behind the cryptonote site is part …

the cryptonote site is a part of the https://cryptonotefoundation.org/ site. Members of the foundation include
Johannes Meier, Maurice Planck, Max Jameson, Brandon Hawking & more. I assume these are public figures. If so are they a part of the scam smooth?


They're pseudonyms based on the names of famous scientists. There's no reason to assume they are even separate people, why would you assume they're public figures?

Yup. My bad. Should've assumed. Makes sense they would be - it's consistent.
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Cryptographers must be some of the most surveilled people in society. For the creators of CN and BCN to have retained their anonymity is quite an accomplishment. Confusion regarding the backstory and dates can only help them retain it.

How the hell would you know what the results of that (presumed) surveillance has been? Do you know everything the NSA, etc. know?

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Except if you look at the historical record my skepticism and later disbelief predates the my interest in Monero. In fact it predates even the idea of Monero being created.

You have cause and effect reversed, not only for me but for many other (now) Monero supporters as well. We started off being intrigued by BCN/CN and being impressed by the technology. Many of us mined it and traded it and even started working on improving the code. The premine and other fabrications, once that started to come to light, is what drove us away.
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You have cause and effect reversed, not only for me but for many other (now) Monero supporters as well. We started off being intrigued by BCN/CN and being impressed by the technology. Many of us mined it and traded it and even started working on improving the code. The premine and other fabrications, once that started to come to light, is what drove us away.

This. In fact, if you really cared to look, you could find many of our names in the early pages of this thread showing initial interest in Bytecoin, and the discussion ultimately leading to the bitMonero fork.

Also, I found it interesting that the guy who showed up just to tell everyone he'd mined BCN in 2012 referred to it as "BCN" when the abbreviation known to him would have been "BTE."
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Cryptographers must be some of the most surveilled people in society. For the creators of CN and BCN to have retained their anonymity is quite an accomplishment. Confusion regarding the backstory and dates can only help them retain it.

How the hell would you know what the results of that (presumed) surveillance has been? Do you know everything the NSA, etc. know?

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It might also be true to say that at this point you don't want to believe and have a vested interest in Monero

Except if you look at the historical record my skepticism and later disbelief predates the my interest in Monero. In fact it predates even the idea of Monero being created.

You have cause and effect reversed, not only for me but for many other (now) Monero supporters as well. We started off being intrigued by BCN/CN and being impressed by the technology. Many of us mined it and traded it and even started working on improving the code. The premine and other fabrications, once that started to come to light, is what drove us away.


And yet when all is said and done BCN wrote the first CN code (I dont believe that has ever been disputed) and more importantly continue to develop and are outpacing Monero I think it's fair to say.

I wonder who will listen and how many will care if BCN keep pushing development faster than XMR. I daresay some XMR supporters are STILL intrigued by BCN and STILL impressed by their technology. Indeed I'd be surprised if some of the XMR community werent a little perturbed by seeing healthy development from BCN still. Clearly BCN dev ears are deaf to Monero accusations and continue to develop, which is good for crypto-currency since the BCN devs have skills.

I also think it's fair to say that your identity, as are those of other Monero devs, is better known to the world at large than those of the BCN devs. Cryptography is in danger of becoming virtually illegal to develop (it seems to me) and if and when "the Man comes calling" we may better ascertain how well these devs have kept their anonymity.

Furthermore I don't doubt your motives in the beginning were good. However your long-standing position in the Monero Team and the obvious competitiveness with BCN makes it harder for non-Monerians to believe your motives remain good and altruistic (although tehy well could). You investment (at least of time) is far greater now than it once was, smooth.

The vast majority of criticism leveled at BCN still comes from XMR, a community which stands to lose more than any other from a healthy BCN. Lack of evidence, no silver bullet, no whistle-blowers… except yourselves who possess few facts and work mostly on supposition and so are not really whistle-blowers at all. "Absence of evidence is evidence of absence" I hear you say. Not always I reply.
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June 29, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
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Bytecoin team found a bug in OSX: https://bytecoin.org/blog/pthread-bug-osx/

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While developing Bytecoin Wallet for OS X we've faced a bug in pthread library condition variable implementation. This bug can't be called nothing else but pesky. Pthread is one of the cornerstones of multithread programming and used in almost every OS X application that uses multithreads, including gcc, clang, java and boost. Due to this bug - user can lose a vital piece of data that is placed in the memory. For instance, some applications are storing transaction amounts in the memory and in certain circumstances this bug can lead to the data corruption and therefore some info regarding the transaction amount is going to be lost.


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^THIS is what I'm talking about (@smooth).
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