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Author Topic: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012  (Read 1039427 times)
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June 16, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
Last edit: June 16, 2015, 12:23:27 PM by Wanderlust
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#Bytecoin_.28BCN.29

Where/how can these quotes be seen?

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-git repo suggests the current devs are the original devs. are they?
-was there ever a bytecoin dev statement (explanation) re broken miner/ premine debacle?
-when does pow mining end? what will happen after pow mining end
? proof-of stake?

website and twitter account very pro. some interesting bcn followers… wallets great.
curiouser and curiouser…hmm
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June 16, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#Bytecoin_.28BCN.29

Where/how can these quotes be seen?

also

-git repo suggests the current devs are the original devs. are they?
-was there ever a bytecoin dev statement (explanation) re broken miner/ premine debacle?
-when does pow mining end? what will happen after pow mining end
? proof-of stake?

website and twitter account very pro. some interesting bcn followers… wallets great.
curiouser and curiouser…hmm


Hi, Wanderlust! Welcome to Bytecoin Community. We are glad to meet you.

Answers to your questions:
Quotes: http://bytecoiner.org/bytecoin-early-adopters-and-secret-messages/ - check this to find more information about blockchain quotes
Git repo: yes, the current devs are original devs
Statement: Bytecoin devs spoke about the BCN early years in one of their interviews
PoW: You can check the date there , but you shouldn't be worried about this because Bytecoin has a significant roadmap that explains how the system will be developed  further.

Also, Bytecoin has its own forum now - https://bytecointalk.org/. Don't hesitate to ask your questions on Bytecoin Talk!

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Hi everyone! 

I'm writing to remind of a new version of the Bytecoin Community website, that we have released about a month ago http://bytecoiner.org/

The idea of the site has changed significantly. Bytecoiner.org is now a blogging platform, where anyone can start his own technology-oriented blog, or just submit an article. So far, some of us started to cover other news and topics, somehow related to the realm of Crypto. And we'd also like to widen the list with the topics on:

- Cryptography
- Cryptocurrencies
- IT start-ups
- Digital Products
- Economics and Finance
- Business perspectives

The list is not exhaustive, so if you have any somehow related idea you want to share and discuss, you are welcome to register and write about it.

For the time being, we seem to gain readers, but it's not the point. The point is to collaborate and unite into a brand new community, full of people inspired by crypto in particular, and technologies on the whole. A community, where anyone can share his own cryptosense, discuss it, collaborate with others to implement some business ideas and so on.

Decentralized ideas need decentralized community channels that may provide actual news, thoughts and forecasts. Let us be the first channel to do that.

Best posts will be stuck on top of the main page and the authors will be rewarded by the Bytecoin Community.

Tell your friends and comrades, let's build a better cryptocommunity together.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask in this thread or via PM.
You can also contact me via E-mail: drstrange.m@gmail.com
Bytecoiner.org E-mail: info@bytecoiner.org

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June 17, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#Bytecoin_.28BCN.29

Where/how can these quotes be seen?

also

-git repo suggests the current devs are the original devs. are they?
-was there ever a bytecoin dev statement (explanation) re broken miner/ premine debacle?
-when does pow mining end? what will happen after pow mining end
? proof-of stake?

website and twitter account very pro. some interesting bcn followers… wallets great.
curiouser and curiouser…hmm


Hi, Wanderlust! Welcome to Bytecoin Community. We are glad to meet you.

Answers to your questions:
Quotes: http://bytecoiner.org/bytecoin-early-adopters-and-secret-messages/ - check this to find more information about blockchain quotes
Git repo: yes, the current devs are original devs
Statement: Bytecoin devs spoke about the BCN early years in one of their interviews
PoW: You can check the date there , but you shouldn't be worried about this because Bytecoin has a significant roadmap that explains how the system will be developed  further.

Also, Bytecoin has its own forum now - https://bytecointalk.org/. Don't hesitate to ask your questions on Bytecoin Talk!

thanks for the reply and warm greeting Cheesus
no sooner had i finished reading the interview you linked above i came upon this Harry interview published today!:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/interview-harry-ullman-bytecoin/

am I to infer the alleged premine accusations are unfounded and that BCN has been well mined by different mining groups at various stages of its existence? see quote below from Bytecoiner (linked above):

"There are several confirmed teams to have mined Bytecoin from mid-2012:”V.Hugo team”, “The R guy team”, “Dante” and “Einstein”.

Still, however big the number of “marked” blocks may seem it represents only a smallest fraction of the entire blockchain. Based on the previous statement one may conclude that the mining teams (pools) are just a small portion of vibrant BCN Community. Just to make this picture clearer: 10 teams, around 15 members each, it all comes down to at least 150 “identified” BCN stakeholders just like with Bitcoin. And don’t forget about those who just act on their own behalf.
"

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June 17, 2015, 05:54:38 PM
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Yeah, I've already read this interview too (thanks twitter, I can get the information really fast!).

I like the last part, where Ullo describes Bytecoin team's goals.

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As for the long term, our ultimate goal is to help Bytecoin evolve into a very sophisticated financial system. We are already finalizing smart assets and aliases, which should be released later this year. The next huge step is going to be Bytecoin’s smart contracts that we are already working on.
We believe that cryptocurrency as a form of digital money is only a humble start for the Cryptonomy.

That's good news.

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June 18, 2015, 06:05:49 AM
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Yeah, I've already read this interview too (thanks twitter, I can get the information really fast!).

I like the last part, where Ullo describes Bytecoin team's goals.

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As for the long term, our ultimate goal is to help Bytecoin evolve into a very sophisticated financial system. We are already finalizing smart assets and aliases, which should be released later this year. The next huge step is going to be Bytecoin’s smart contracts that we are already working on.
We believe that cryptocurrency as a form of digital money is only a humble start for the Cryptonomy.

That's good news.

Harry Ullo > H. Ullo > Hullo >  Smiley
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June 18, 2015, 10:59:28 AM
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Yeah, I've already read this interview too (thanks twitter, I can get the information really fast!).

I like the last part, where Ullo describes Bytecoin team's goals.

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As for the long term, our ultimate goal is to help Bytecoin evolve into a very sophisticated financial system. We are already finalizing smart assets and aliases, which should be released later this year. The next huge step is going to be Bytecoin’s smart contracts that we are already working on.
We believe that cryptocurrency as a form of digital money is only a humble start for the Cryptonomy.

That's good news.

Harry Ullo > H. Ullo > Hullo >  Smiley

Hmmm... What do you mean?

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June 18, 2015, 01:44:11 PM
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Yeah, I've already read this interview too (thanks twitter, I can get the information really fast!).

I like the last part, where Ullo describes Bytecoin team's goals.

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As for the long term, our ultimate goal is to help Bytecoin evolve into a very sophisticated financial system. We are already finalizing smart assets and aliases, which should be released later this year. The next huge step is going to be Bytecoin’s smart contracts that we are already working on.
We believe that cryptocurrency as a form of digital money is only a humble start for the Cryptonomy.

That's good news.

Harry Ullo > H. Ullo > Hullo >  Smiley

Hmmm... What do you mean?

I dont mean anything, only took amusement when i noted the pseudonym.
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June 18, 2015, 05:08:00 PM
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Long thread. No time to read. Is this worth investing in?

Why?
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June 18, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
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Long thread. No time to read. Is this worth investing in?

Why?

You  are on Bytecoin thread, asking if Bytecoin is any good. What were you expecting?
And why would you trust someone else's opinion when you're putting your own money in it? Would you trust whatever we say?

OK then...  go ahead, this is a very good coin with bright future. It is the first coin based on cryptonote technology and has fully anonymous tansactions.

Now go ahead and put some large buy walls on HitBTC.

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Or just take some time to read and come to your own judgement. It is your money after all.
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June 18, 2015, 05:32:38 PM
Last edit: June 18, 2015, 05:53:07 PM by salsacz
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check my findings, I identified many unknown quotes and explained them:
http://www.coinssource.com/the-mysteries-and-puzzles-behind-the-cryptonote-technology/
http://www.coinssource.com/the-cyphernomicon-group-part/
http://www.coinssource.com/keeping-it-quiet-cryptonote-special-conclusion-part-3-of-3/
http://www.coinssource.com/famous-hhistorical-people/

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June 18, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
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Long thread. No time to read. Is this worth investing in?

Why?

Clearly there are minds behind this tech. Much as XMR devs cry afoul it is also clear that without BCN there would be no XMR.

Current market cap is still low, regardless of distribution.
Every coin has terrible disro IMO (inc. Monero)

I am still researching…
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June 18, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
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much obliged

im still struggling to comprehend how a bunch of academics/cypherpunks pulls off a "scam" for a couple million bucks whilst providing virtually bullet-proof anon (min mixin is 6 btw). there has to be more to this story.
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June 18, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
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There's been some research by us (Community members) some time ago, maybe these links could come in handy as well. 

http://bytecoiner.org/bytecoin-source-of-origin/
http://bytecoiner.org/bytecoin-mysteries/
http://bytecoiner.org/blast-from-the-past/

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June 19, 2015, 11:49:18 AM
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What is Bytecoin devs' take on this (read the whole linked post):

In my opinion, this is an emergency fix because afaics the anonymity is broken as it is now, but I can't say that I've done any deep analysis on how likely the unmasking is on existing patterns in the Monero block chain.

Is Bytecoin affected by the same issue, and if it is, how serious/negligible it is?
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June 19, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
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What is Bytecoin devs' take on this (read the whole linked post):

In my opinion, this is an emergency fix because afaics the anonymity is broken as it is now, but I can't say that I've done any deep analysis on how likely the unmasking is on existing patterns in the Monero block chain.

Is Bytecoin affected by the same issue, and if it is, how serious/negligible it is?

Hi, illodin. Of course, if two of three signatures are deanonimized it is possible to deanonimize the third too.  But the solution is very easy:  just use larger mixin_count. BTW, the default value in Bytecoin wallet is 6.

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June 19, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
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If (and that's a big IF) different mining groups have mined BCN from the beginning and IF over 100+ individuals hold large amounts of BCN (and not <10) then maybe the origin story doesnt matter.

It is poetic that the anon nature of this beast prevents us from verifying this one way or the other.

Which part of "faked blockchain" are you incapable of understanding? Either your onion-peeling skills suck (along with your reading comprehension), or you're a big fat troll.

The BCN devs hold all of the money. Ring signatures are pretty useless if a single party controls all the outputs. BCN is neither anon nor decentralized for reasons I already commented on, yet you conveniently skipped over.

I also think you're a troll because you're posting all this here (XMR thread). BCN is off topic, so please be respectful take your "inquisitions" to a BCN-specific thread.

To show I'm not a troll and simply being duly diligent I will copy this post (and yours) to the BCN thread.

and so i have. what does BCN say to these "faked blockchain" claims?
no intention of stirring shit. just asking.
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June 19, 2015, 08:50:13 PM
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My only question, is why you decided to ask the question on the XMR thread first, rather than here?

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June 19, 2015, 09:57:17 PM
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My only question, is why you decided to ask the question on the XMR thread first, rather than here?

actually i did https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg11643949#msg11643949 and i didnt get a direct response.

and then i figured id see what XMR had to say since i knew theyd be vocal re the subject. now im back here.

so what of the "fake blcokchain"?

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June 19, 2015, 10:22:32 PM
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My only question, is why you decided to ask the question on the XMR thread first, rather than here?

actually i did https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg11643949#msg11643949

and then i figured id see what XMR had to say since i knew theyd be vocal re the subject. now im back here.

so what of the "fake blcokchain"?



That's fine, guess I missed that you asked here first.

As far as answers to your question - the people you thought you originally asked tend to rely on anyone that is not themselves to come up with their own answer to their own questions, rather than answer them directly, more often than not.

It's served them reasonably well.

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