🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[bittraffic]

Sean Strickland visually looks like a chubby version of Alex Pereira, isn't it so? 
And to be honest, Sean is really a retard but funny though. Did you see his and Joe Rogan's conversation? Sean starts conversation with words: 'There is not really much about you Joe, like, you are just Joe Rogan the podcast man that believes in aliens and does drugs'. This man is crazy. Will he be a good promoter of the fight? I don't know, I rarely watch him but I'm afraid Sean will bully him to death, I bet he is going to call him an anime boy and drive him crazy. Overall, should be a good fight but the way Sean will bully Izzy will be a hella of a fun.

I wouldn't call Sean chubby, unless he gained weight recently and I don't know about it. He's notably shorter than Alex and (I'm guessing) has shorter reach.
He's definitely not a retard neither, he got some good observations (the one about Joe Rogan that you quoted being one of them). The way he talks makes him sound dumb, but it's just part of the act, he decided to not hold back and talks whatever's on his mind at the moment. If you look at his early career interviews, he was much more respectful and not very controversial.
And yeah, there's a big chance pre-fight conferences will be much more entertaining than the fight itself. I wish Strickland could beat Adesanya but I just don't see that happening, he just doesn't have what it takes.

It will be one of the fuckest upsets of all time but you can only wish.
Sean has the boldest manner of saying things kinda like the old cracker that will make Izzy a bit careless cause of his anger, it's somehow a mind game that Sean may capitalize on.

If his plan is to also make Izzy gas out it's not going to work. Izzy can strike whichever part of his body and if he throws shots, Sean will be countered and blackout in the first round of their fight, that's what will happen.

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[tusandii]

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By the way, I see that there is a main card schedule that is quite sensational and will definitely be a very epic battle because it brings together the brutal king of his Adesanya vs Strickland next September.

source : https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1689728321675005953?t=2lWEqUVkB_iJ73-t3_Rz9Q&s=19

They send Dricus out and put Strickland who is way too underdog than Dricus. This is a giveaway fight for Izzy. This is also very short notice for both fighters probably not going to happen yet.

Sean is going to super hype the fight and will not just call Izzy the Chinese champ soon. The pre-conference would be more exciting than the real fight actually, it will be funny and we will see the best of Sean's trash talk to make Izzy mad. And Izzy will also throwback.

I think it will be easier for Adesanya to finish the battle and there will be unimaginable surprises later.
Even though Strickland is more favored than Dricus, Adesanya himself is a fighter who doesn't give up easily to be able to hold on to the championship belt in his class and destroy anyone who wants to drop his title.
Don't call him the Chinese champion because now that title is no longer valid because Adesanya has become the UFC champion for the Middleweight class.
Whoever Adesanya's opponent will definitely experience increased emotional feelings but precisely all of that can burn Adesanya's fighting spirit when in the octagon.

[YuginKadoya]

Here are the results of my bet and prediction for the UFC Fight Night: Luque vs. Dos Anjos

Vicente Luque VS Rafael dos Anjos ROUND 5 DECISION - WIN

Vicente Luque is really impressive in this fight he is taking his time in giving RDA and pressuring him in this fight pretty much good takedown defense and also counter those takedowns with his own takedowns, he surely was like he is not from a brain hemorrhage at all, Luque was controlling the fight and pressuring the Rafael dos Anjos in his game for sure is a great feat for Luque, for sure Vicente Luque has gotten good from his long break has many output strikes than RDA and 11 takedowns 8 was successful to RDA's 7 takedowns with just 2 being successful for sure Luque have won the fight,

Cub Swanson VS Hakeem Dawodu ROUND 3 DECISION - LOST

Cub Swanson got an emotional win and surely he deserves this I really doubt him because of his age, and for sure I am seeing Cub Swanson in a different light because of this fight but surely Hakeem Dawodu is pretty much durable, and for me because the fight was so close I really thought that Hakeem Dawodu got more strikes than Swanson, surely because of the takedown that Cub Swanson throws that must have seen by the judges with that 2 takedowns he threw, 1 was successful and I think that has done the job, for the judges to score it to Swanson,

Khalil Rountree VS Chris Daukaus ROUND 1 KO/TKO - WIN

Just like I have said Khalil Rountree hit like a Heavyweight, that was an insane fight, and looking at Chris Daukaus flying on the ground with those scary punches of Rountree, surely all Daukaus could do is to protect his head from that nasty punch from Khalil Roundtree, it was spectacular and a wrong move for Daukaus to go down the Division,

[owengtam09]

The ASL tourney is played using the one and only original Starcraft/Broodwar!    Starcraft 2 is commercialized trash designed to make money out of the brand instead of making an awesome RTS game.  SC/BW was made with passion and a vision by a rag tag group of game developers.  I don't think we'll see such a perfect RTS game made again.

I'll bump the thread when the first round of match for the Round of 24 starts.

Anyway here's the post fight press conference.

UFC on ESPN 51:  Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMCI3JSGMgc

Luque was supposedly rushed to the hospital for medical check ups.  Not sure if it's anything serious.

Well even though I am not a gamer, I have seen the Starcraft Broodwar game and it was stunning even though it was released in the 90's well I don't know if it's along with Battle Realms, but that 2 games was really a worth while, that I could remember but maybe I will just spot your thread later,


Now here is the result of my pick for the UFC fight night, it was 2 losses and just 1 win for me

Vicente Luque (1.98) VS Rafael dos Anjos (1.84) - LOST

Surely Vicente Luque has dominated RDA in this fight but sure I really thought that he has a problem with his recent injury surely his doctor was right to clear him because Luque was looking good at this fight Vicente Luque pressured RDA at the start of the fight for sure he was looking good at the standing and with the ground game surely RDA is great in the ground but Luque still dominated the ground attack and surely takedown defense as well, RDA didn't do much with the ground game because Luque always counters his move, and so Vicente Luque surely win this,



Cub Swanson (2.85) VS Hakeem Dawodu (1.43) - LOST

It was another loss for me this was a pretty much close game and I thought that I won this one but Hakeem Dawodu lost by a decision but surely for me, I thought that Dawodu win this, and surely the judges have rob Hakeem Dawodu his win, but surely maybe that ground control was counted by the judge, as well,



Khalil Rountree (1.55) VS Chris Daukaus (2.48) - WIN

This fight was super fast and round 1 was all Khalil Rountree needed to win this, and for sure just like I have said Khalil Rountree can hit like a truck, it was a solid win for him, and that punch was all he need to bring down Daukaus, and following it with that strong punch on the ground,

[erep]

I think it will be easier for Adesanya to finish the battle and there will be unimaginable surprises later.
Even though Strickland is more favored than Dricus, Adesanya himself is a fighter who doesn't give up easily to be able to hold on to the championship belt in his class and destroy anyone who wants to drop his title.
Don't call him the Chinese champion because now that title is no longer valid because Adesanya has become the UFC champion for the Middleweight class.
Whoever Adesanya's opponent will definitely experience increased emotional feelings but precisely all of that can burn Adesanya's fighting spirit when in the octagon.

I haven't seen the distinctive style of the Adesanya fighter since the last two fights against Alex Pereira, even though Adesanya won in the last fight but he is still recorded in history having one unfinished defeat against Alex Pereira back in 2017. But I am surprised that Strickland's next challenger will be against Adesanya and based on his history he lost against Alex Pereira and there are other defeats that it will be difficult to predict his chances of winning.

As @bittraffic said, the Pre-conference will be more interesting to watch than a real fight in the octagon as they will be fighting for recognition as the best fighter position, but I hope Strickland doesn't talk as much nonsense as he did during the UFC 276 Pre-conference, if he doesn't prove his ability to defeat Adesanya.

[YuginKadoya]

Now that the UFC Fight Night has ended, I think it is safe to say that we are moving on to a new event and I think this is the real deal of a juicy event

UFC 292: Sterling vs. O'Malley

Saturday 08.19.2023 at 06:00 PM ET



Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
Venue: TD Garden
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, United States

MAIN EVENT
Aljamain Sterling VS Sean O'Malley

CO-MAIN EVENT
Weili Zhang VS Amanda Lemos

MAIN CARD
Neil Magny VS Ian Machado Garry
Marlon Vera VS Pedro Munhoz

PRELIMINARY CARD
Chris Weidman VS Brad Tavares
Gregory Rodrigues VS Denis Tiuliulin
Gerald Meerschaert VS Andre Petroski
Andrea Lee VS Natália Silva
Maryna Moroz VS Karine Silva
Kurt Holobaugh VS Austin Hubbard

CANCELLED CARD
Cody Garbrandt VS Mario Bautista - Garbrandt Withdrew
Rob Font VS Yadong Song - Song Withdrew
Geoff Neal VS Ian Machado Garry - Neal Withdrew
Henry Cejudo VS Marlon Vera - Cejudo Shoulder Injury

All Information was from TAPOLOGY: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/101022-ufc-292

[OgNasty]

I’m a Sean O’Malley fan. I think he’s a cool dude and probably the only UFC fighter I’d really want to hang out with in real life. That being said, I think he takes a bad loss in this next fight.

Interestingly, Conor McGregor has said he’ll be fighting in December against Michael Chandler. This is the first confirmation I’ve heard of who and when he’ll be fighting. Looks like the wait is on.

[YuginKadoya]

I’m a Sean O’Malley fan. I think he’s a cool dude and probably the only UFC fighter I’d really want to hang out with in real life. That being said, I think he takes a bad loss in this next fight.

Interestingly, Conor McGregor has said he’ll be fighting in December against Michael Chandler. This is the first confirmation I’ve heard of who and when he’ll be fighting. Looks like the wait is on.

I am not a fan of both these fighters but for sure I don't like them and I don't hate them either but for me if looking at their performance and what they could do right now judging from that aspect I am doubting is Sean O'Malley could have his wrestling offense good against Sterling or not, or could his wrestling defense good enough to defend those wrestling of Aljamain Sterling, I am looking at these aspect if Sean O'Malley doesn't have those he is not going to win against Aljamain Sterling because I really don't see O'Malley having this attributes in his fights at all so I am doubting him if his going to have something about those on Sterling, I really think that Sean O'Malley is not ready for Sterling he should fight Merab Dvalishvili instead so we could see his wrestling, right now I don't want to say that O'Malley doesn't have any wrestling at all he could surprise us with this fight, if he does,

So 4 months or so his drug intake will be drained in his body so USADA would confirm him clear, I don't know how much time he needed for him to be cleared by USADA but if this confirmation is true then we could likely see a Conor McGregor VS Michael Chandler fight for sure and fans most likely love to see this,

[TopTort777]

Interestingly, Conor McGregor has said he’ll be fighting in December against Michael Chandler. This is the first confirmation I’ve heard of who and when he’ll be fighting. Looks like the wait is on.

I have also seen such news, that finally Conor is having a fight, and his opponent gonna be Chandler. That is the fight UFC have planned for a long time ago. I think it is about time Dana or UFC bosses show who is in charge there. I think they are sick and tired when fighters choose who they want to fight, instead of choose opponents UFC give them. Even in Conor case. It is about time to show who is employer and who is employee.

[tokeweed]

Here are the results of my bet and prediction for the UFC Fight Night: Luque vs. Dos Anjos

Vicente Luque VS Rafael dos Anjos ROUND 5 DECISION - WIN

Vicente Luque is really impressive in this fight he is taking his time in giving RDA and pressuring him in this fight pretty much good takedown defense and also counter those takedowns with his own takedowns, he surely was like he is not from a brain hemorrhage at all, Luque was controlling the fight and pressuring the Rafael dos Anjos in his game for sure is a great feat for Luque, for sure Vicente Luque has gotten good from his long break has many output strikes than RDA and 11 takedowns 8 was successful to RDA's 7 takedowns with just 2 being successful for sure Luque have won the fight,

Cub Swanson VS Hakeem Dawodu ROUND 3 DECISION - LOST

Cub Swanson got an emotional win and surely he deserves this I really doubt him because of his age, and for sure I am seeing Cub Swanson in a different light because of this fight but surely Hakeem Dawodu is pretty much durable, and for me because the fight was so close I really thought that Hakeem Dawodu got more strikes than Swanson, surely because of the takedown that Cub Swanson throws that must have seen by the judges with that 2 takedowns he threw, 1 was successful and I think that has done the job, for the judges to score it to Swanson,

Khalil Rountree VS Chris Daukaus ROUND 1 KO/TKO - WIN

Just like I have said Khalil Rountree hit like a Heavyweight, that was an insane fight, and looking at Chris Daukaus flying on the ground with those scary punches of Rountree, surely all Daukaus could do is to protect his head from that nasty punch from Khalil Roundtree, it was spectacular and a wrong move for Daukaus to go down the Division,

Dawodu def got robbed imo.  I mean the match wasn't even that really that super mega close to have an argument for Cub Swanson.  Even Swanson was surprised he won via unanimous decision.  :/  Def bad judging.

Anyway, we take our lumps then on we go to the next.  UFC 292 is stacked!  Can't wait to watch fighter replays for some of these match ups.    I'll be rooting for O'Malley but if he can't defend Sterling's TD's it's game over.

Some vids to watch...

UFC 292:  Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRePnnUVoc8

UFC Free Fight:  O'Malley vs Paiva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHFkDxxEJnA

UFC Free Fight:  Sterling vs Dillashaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwfByxAl9I

[bittraffic]

Interestingly, Conor McGregor has said he’ll be fighting in December against Michael Chandler. This is the first confirmation I’ve heard of who and when he’ll be fighting. Looks like the wait is on.

I have also seen such news, that finally Conor is having a fight, and his opponent gonna be Chandler. That is the fight UFC have planned for a long time ago. I think it is about time Dana or UFC bosses show who is in charge there. I think they are sick and tired when fighters choose who they want to fight, instead of choose opponents UFC give them. Even in Conor case. It is about time to show who is employer and who is employee.

So much news none of them are confirmed to be true. Chandler will fight Conor whether he is in the USADA pool or not, he will waste Conor for good. I think it was just Gaethje who said will not fight Conor relating to the USADA issue because the junkie has nothing to lose. 

I think it will be easier for Adesanya to finish the battle and there will be unimaginable surprises later.
Even though Strickland is more favored than Dricus, Adesanya himself is a fighter who doesn't give up easily to be able to hold on to the championship belt in his class and destroy anyone who wants to drop his title.
Don't call him the Chinese champion because now that title is no longer valid because Adesanya has become the UFC champion for the Middleweight class.
Whoever Adesanya's opponent will definitely experience increased emotional feelings but precisely all of that can burn Adesanya's fighting spirit when in the octagon.

I haven't seen the distinctive style of the Adesanya fighter since the last two fights against Alex Pereira, even though Adesanya won in the last fight but he is still recorded in history having one unfinished defeat against Alex Pereira back in 2017. But I am surprised that Strickland's next challenger will be against Adesanya and based on his history he lost against Alex Pereira and there are other defeats that it will be difficult to predict his chances of winning.

As @bittraffic said, the Pre-conference will be more interesting to watch than a real fight in the octagon as they will be fighting for recognition as the best fighter position, but I hope Strickland doesn't talk as much nonsense as he did during the UFC 276 Pre-conference, if he doesn't prove his ability to defeat Adesanya.

Strickland will enjoy the press conference moment because that may just be his opportunity against Adesanya. Nothing else after that. Strickland is a puncher but with a short reach and he doesn't even have a KO punch power. Strickland is no threat to Izzy, Issy can literally just snap jabs in all 5 rounds and Strickland can take a fall any round.

[pawel7777]

Now that the UFC Fight Night has ended, I think it is safe to say that we are moving on to a new event and I think this is the real deal of a juicy event
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As I posted before, I was predicting an easy win for Sterling, but now I'm having second thoughts. I still think Sterling is more likely to win, but I don't think it will be easy for him to take O'Malley down and Sean is not without a chance. If it goes to distance, O'Malley will probably win and is more likely to win by KO. So Sterling will have to find a way to win by submission.
The current odds for O'Malley are around 3.15, making it a good value bet.

Really curious on how Chris Weidman will perform against Brad Tavares. It's Weidman's first fight since that horrific injury (broken leg) in a fight against Uriah Hall.

[owengtam09]

Dawodu def got robbed imo.  I mean the match wasn't even that really that super mega close to have an argument for Cub Swanson.  Even Swanson was surprised he won via unanimous decision.  :/  Def bad judging.

Anyway, we take our lumps then on we go to the next.  UFC 292 is stacked!  Can't wait to watch fighter replays for some of these match ups.    I'll be rooting for O'Malley but if he can't defend Sterling's TD's it's game over.

I agree that Hakeem Dawodu got robbed in this fight you can not say it was a close fight and while the highlights on the Cub Swanson interview they were highlighting Swanson's good side for sure most people would say that Cub Swanson did great but surely you can not take his reaction out that he was surprised that he won this fight, and we all know the history of the judges in the UFC that they make the wrong decision and Hakeem Dawodu was another victim,

For sure Sean O'Malley will pretty much formulate a plan to stop the takedowns but if he can not stop Sterling's takedowns and has answered with his wrestling then this is a win for Aljamain Sterling for sure and I saw that Aljamain Sterling will surely use the MMA in his advantage that is how Smart Sterling is when fighting,

Well, In addition to this, there are 5 new rules for the MMA that adds up to the MMA that could surely change how the MMA would surely balance the situation, but for sure in it, there are no more stalling the referee would surely apply to break when a takedown occurs this is for fighters that are just stalling and holding the position on the ground, Eye Pokes and for Doctor stoppage rules I will surely look on this 5 new rules and will share it in the moment I see it,

[tusandii]

I think it will be easier for Adesanya to finish the battle and there will be unimaginable surprises later.
Even though Strickland is more favored than Dricus, Adesanya himself is a fighter who doesn't give up easily to be able to hold on to the championship belt in his class and destroy anyone who wants to drop his title.
Don't call him the Chinese champion because now that title is no longer valid because Adesanya has become the UFC champion for the Middleweight class.
Whoever Adesanya's opponent will definitely experience increased emotional feelings but precisely all of that can burn Adesanya's fighting spirit when in the octagon.

I haven't seen the distinctive style of the Adesanya fighter since the last two fights against Alex Pereira, even though Adesanya won in the last fight but he is still recorded in history having one unfinished defeat against Alex Pereira back in 2017. But I am surprised that Strickland's next challenger will be against Adesanya and based on his history he lost against Alex Pereira and there are other defeats that it will be difficult to predict his chances of winning.

As @bittraffic said, the Pre-conference will be more interesting to watch than a real fight in the octagon as they will be fighting for recognition as the best fighter position, but I hope Strickland doesn't talk as much nonsense as he did during the UFC 276 Pre-conference, if he doesn't prove his ability to defeat Adesanya.

But at least Adesanya has regained his belt and avenged his defeat against Alex Pereira, in the last meeting which was also at the same time Adesanya took revenge by giving 3 heavy punches to Alex Pereira's face, causing him to fall down immediately.
In my opinion, the last meeting was a pretty great fight for Adesanya and in that fight Adesanya proved to the world that he deserves to be the strongest in that class and don't try to underestimate him or even want to take the championship belt from him.
I'm not sure Strickland can survive or even beat Adesanya, maybe he will also suffer the same fate as Alex Pereira where he gets a few big punches and then goes down helpless.

Maybe it will be more interesting but isn't that just going to be more and more hot debates plus I'm sure there will be some nonsense phrases that will definitely make you embarrassed when the fight starts in the octagon.
But let's wait and see what will happen to Strickland in the future.

[TopTort777]

Would be funny if Pereira would train Strickland for a fight against Izzy Rivalry continues We know that Strickland is ready to fight anyone, but dont you think Izzy has picked an easy opponent? On the other hand, who should Izzy fight then? Vettori for the third time or Whittaker? Cannonier for the second? Costa is busy with Chimaev.

[tokeweed]

Now that the UFC Fight Night has ended, I think it is safe to say that we are moving on to a new event and I think this is the real deal of a juicy event
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As I posted before, I was predicting an easy win for Sterling, but now I'm having second thoughts. I still think Sterling is more likely to win, but I don't think it will be easy for him to take O'Malley down and Sean is not without a chance. If it goes to distance, O'Malley will probably win and is more likely to win by KO. So Sterling will have to find a way to win by submission.
The current odds for O'Malley are around 3.15, making it a good value bet.

Really curious on how Chris Weidman will perform against Brad Tavares. It's Weidman's first fight since that horrific injury (broken leg) in a fight against Uriah Hall.

If it goes the distance I think Sterling has a more likely chance of getting the W as we've never seen O'Malley go 5 rounds.  But O'Malley's fight vs Yan looked like he wasn't tired after R3.  So he prolly has the gas tank to go all 5, who knows...  But still a question mark.

As for Sterling, what's the best strat to avoid O'Malley's powerrr?  Just do what he does best, wrestle and take his opponent's back.  Sterling via sub is at 3.05.  I think that's fair value.  But if you really wanna go for value in O'Malley, the R1, R2, and R3 propa are at 10, 13 and 18.  A KO at the early rounds is O'Malley's best chance to win.

UFC 292:  Embedded 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAByh9xLw8M

[TopTort777]

One again Sterling gonna try to lull his opponent with "I am after surgery/injury", "I can only wrestle", "I am tired" and etc This is already his fourth title defence. 3 of them he made successfully. O'Malley has some kind of image of a "a true knockout artist" with 11 KOes, but did his opponents were really that dangerous and elite, that knocking them out counts as an achievement? O'Malley had few real opponents only. So far split win over Yan is his best achievement. While Sterling wasnt knocked out by Yan during 9 rounds, Sandhagen isnt an easy opponent also, split win over Tripple C. I wont say that O'Malley has super powers in his fists. A lot of KOes he has got due to his anthropometry. Yeap this is an advantage in boxing or striking sports, but that is also a disadvantage against those who can catch your hand and do wrestling/bjj magic.

[notblox1]

I’m a Sean O’Malley fan. I think he’s a cool dude and probably the only UFC fighter I’d really want to hang out with in real life. That being said, I think he takes a bad loss in this next fight.

I never liked Aljamain Sterling, and I am not impressed with Sean O'Malley, despite his great 16-1 record, but I think he deserved this title fight after he beat Petr Yan.
Some people are still divided about his split decision win, but odds on him are simply amazing for this fight as a underdog and I have to take it.
I know Sterling is favorite in this fight, but O'Malley is few years younger, he has small reach advantage, and great KO record.
For more risky bet I would also try O'Malley to win by KO or TKO.


https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-292-sterling-vs-o-malley/sterling-aljamain-vs-o-malley-sean-6499d6aa2e316e74ca2d22d2

[bittraffic]

Now that the UFC Fight Night has ended, I think it is safe to say that we are moving on to a new event and I think this is the real deal of a juicy event
(...)

As I posted before, I was predicting an easy win for Sterling, but now I'm having second thoughts. I still think Sterling is more likely to win, but I don't think it will be easy for him to take O'Malley down and Sean is not without a chance. If it goes to distance, O'Malley will probably win and is more likely to win by KO. So Sterling will have to find a way to win by submission.
The current odds for O'Malley are around 3.15, making it a good value bet.

Really curious on how Chris Weidman will perform against Brad Tavares. It's Weidman's first fight since that horrific injury (broken leg) in a fight against Uriah Hall.

If it goes the distance I think Sterling has a more likely chance of getting the W as we've never seen O'Malley go 5 rounds.  But O'Malley's fight vs Yan looked like he wasn't tired after R3.  So he prolly has the gas tank to go all 5, who knows...  But still a question mark.

As for Sterling, what's the best strat to avoid O'Malley's powerrr?  Just do what he does best, wrestle and take his opponent's back.  Sterling via sub is at 3.05.  I think that's fair value.  But if you really wanna go for value in O'Malley, the R1, R2, and R3 propa are at 10, 13 and 18.  A KO at the early rounds is O'Malley's best chance to win.

UFC 292:  Embedded 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAByh9xLw8M

It's Striker vs Grappler. He is going to test whether Sean really has a ground game for once and he will defend all the takedowns in this fight. They know each other's strengths so Omalley can also counter before Aljo can even position to take him down considering his accurate punching.

Both are called clowns in UFC though but at least Aljo proves himself against Yan 2. If Sean vs Yan 2 happens again, it could end up differently UFC should have given that fight a rematch before Aljo.  Aljo is the huge favorite but pretty sure Dana wants Omalley to win this.

[jeremypwr]

Sportsbet.io - UFC 292 - Multi Master Challenge - (Saturday)
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