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September 13, 2023, 08:45:23 AM
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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.

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September 13, 2023, 09:00:57 AM
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And Pereira will finally get his rematch with Izzy. It's an unfinished business which is more exciting to fans, fans really need to find out who gets 2:1

I don't know, somehow I'm not super excited for another episode of Adesanya Vs Pereira. It would be a good fight, sure, but each of them has potentially better fights.
After Izzy got manhandled by Stricland, I don't think moving to light heavyweight would be a good move. He did try that already and failed.

And it's 3:1 for Pereira  Grin. Izzy needs another 2 wins just to get even.
Alex Pereira is Izzy's worst nightmare and I genuinely believe if we see another fight between them, Pereira will definitely win it. This last win from Izzy was really a strike of luck because if anyone remembers, Pereira had a real advantage during the fight. I even think that Izzy is afraid to fight him again.

Or we can talk about conspiracy theory and imagine that it was a fixed fight, because odds were +6:1. Someone made tons of money that night. In fact, Strickland was always popular, not all of a sudden became popular recently. Just search on YouTube for his interviews and compilations. If it was only about popularity, than Du Plessis or Costa are more popular now than Strickland, a man from people, an average Joe that acts like a redneck.
To be honest, I don't watch Stickland's fights, so, I don't know much about that fighter but from what I saw in this match, I think that odds were too high on him. I speak in terms of his and Izzy's performance. I don't think this fight was rigged but who knows.
Are Du Plessis or Costa really more popular? When I talk about Stickland's popularity, I mean that I see him very frequently on social media, he is on podcast with other people very frequently too. Is this because of TikTok's or Youtube's algorithm? I don't know exactly but I have never typed his name before.

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Or we can talk about conspiracy theory and imagine that it was a fixed fight, because odds were +6:1. Someone made tons of money that night. In fact, Strickland was always popular, not all of a sudden became popular recently. Just search on YouTube for his interviews and compilations. If it was only about popularity, than Du Plessis or Costa are more popular now than Strickland, a man from people, an average Joe that acts like a redneck.
To be honest, I don't watch Stickland's fights, so, I don't know much about that fighter but from what I saw in this match, I think that odds were too high on him. I speak in terms of his and Izzy's performance. I don't think this fight was rigged but who knows.
Are Du Plessis or Costa really more popular? When I talk about Stickland's popularity, I mean that I see him very frequently on social media, he is on podcast with other people very frequently too. Is this because of TikTok's or Youtube's algorithm? I don't know exactly but I have never typed his name before.

Indeed he has more popularity thanks to belt and social media algorithms. Everyone wants to parasite on his name. What we know about Strickland, most people think he is dumb, a lot of people like him for that. Costa is on hype because he looks like a monster, had some trashtalk with Chimaev, he is more media person. Du Plessis is kind a phenomenal, because no one cant explain how he beats best of division with such weird fighting style, strikes or who the hell he is. What Strickland is famous for ? Well, he got KOed by Pereira, and... just watch this vid. (just check interviewer face when Strickland answers)

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September 13, 2023, 01:09:10 PM
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Nope, Adesanya had no say on who he'll fight next.  That's not how it works in the UFC.  It's the UFC that proposes an opponent and it's up to the fighter if chooses to sign the contract or not.  DDP was the first guy who got the offer to fight Adesanya but DDP refused because as he said, he wouldn't have had enough time to prepare as he just fought Whittaker at the time.  So on they went to give Strickland the offer which he immediately accepted.

As a champion he probably had some say, i.e. if he refused to fight someone, UFC would find him someone else, maybe on a different date. UFC had quite a few fussy fighters, who were picky about who and when they wanted to fight (e.g. Jon Jones or GSP).
Obviously, since Volkanovski couldn't fight in Sydney this time, they needed some other Australian-enough star to headline the main event - Adesanya. And Strickland, who prides himself in accepting any fight, was the 2nd best opponent for Izzy, after DDP.
Strickland, on paper, was a very convenient rival for Izzy (proved by bookies' odds), so I'm sure he was very happy to sign the contract.

Oh for sure a title holder who has a lot of pull and some clout like McGregor could pull some strings and get what he wants.  Adesanya could be one of those guys and prolly Volk and Jon Jones.  Guys who could sell PPV's...  And yes, fighters have a choice if they want to sign up for the fight or not.  That's why we have the interim title in the UFC.  It's when the champ doesn't want to accept any fight but the UFC doesn't want to stop the division from progressing.

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September 13, 2023, 01:49:12 PM
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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.
Well, in just 1 year Adesanya lost his title twice and now it is really considered impossible for him to regain his title but for me I still have confidence that there is a big opportunity for Adesanya to challenge Stickland again and fight for the title he once had like before when he took the belt from Alex Pereira.
Even though he is 34 years old his fighting ability cannot be underestimated.

Here I slightly agree with what Pereira said namely that Adesanya needs to rest first and prepare everything to fight for the title again and when it comes to lifestyle Adesanya is indeed more similar to Conor in the past still getting glory from the UFC.

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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.

He certainly doesn't look his age. He looks like he's mid-to-late twenties and acts like a teenager. Everyone ages differently, and I think he might be one of those people who can stay in great shape even past the 40. But there's another factor, that we can call mental aging. The longer you fight the harder it is to stay "hungry" and get your motivation high. The adrenaline levels simply might not be what they used to be when he steps into the octagon.
Also, his fighting style to a large degree is based on speed, and that's something that deteriorates with age way faster than strength. There's always an option for him to bulk up and move to the light heavyweight, which is generally slower than the middleweight.

Anyhow, in a recent interview, Dana White was back-pedaling a bit on the idea of an immediate rematch, so things might get more interesting. I think they may be waiting on the Costa-Chimaev result before making any decisions.

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September 14, 2023, 08:19:53 AM
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Dana is just doing the drama like he really wanted to quick rematch. But I think he wants Izzy to move up already for more saleable fights for him and leave the MW. Removing the gatekeeper will allow new faces in the division. Dana probably will introduce again Khamzat in the MW against Costa which had been the most anticipated fight for months.

And Pereira will finally get his rematch with Izzy. It's an unfinished business which is more exciting to fans, fans really need to find out who gets 2:1


Well, I really don't know what Dana White and the UFC are thinking at the moment but I really think the rematch was not a bluff when he said it, and it was on the press conference after the fight, for sure he meant what he have said back then, but for sure his mind can still change on giving Adesanya an immediate rematch and if the people don't want that rematch for sure Dana White can immediately change what he have originally said for me I think Israel Adesanya just needs to move on with his situation now and just learn from that lost and adjust from his next fight,

Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.

For sure there is not enough time for Izzy to hit the Gym or train or maybe his videos were all just bluffs with all that training, but yeah this is just all speculation,  for sure Izzy's training camp will not let him slack off, just a bit, but for sure that Champion status sometimes is getting into his head for sure, and would think that he is king sometimes, without any remorse on what he's going to say, I really don't know if Israel Adesanya is truly lacking but for sure he needs a lot more time with training and we have seen who has the more determined to win in this event,

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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.

He certainly doesn't look his age. He looks like he's mid-to-late twenties and acts like a teenager. Everyone ages differently, and I think he might be one of those people who can stay in great shape even past the 40. But there's another factor, that we can call mental aging. The longer you fight the harder it is to stay "hungry" and get your motivation high. The adrenaline levels simply might not be what they used to be when he steps into the octagon.
Also, his fighting style to a large degree is based on speed, and that's something that deteriorates with age way faster than strength. There's always an option for him to bulk up and move to the light heavyweight, which is generally slower than the middleweight.

Anyhow, in a recent interview, Dana White was back-pedaling a bit on the idea of an immediate rematch, so things might get more interesting. I think they may be waiting on the Costa-Chimaev result before making any decisions.

You have used a proper word, exact word that describes whole situation around Izzy from my point of view. Motivation. How long he has been fighting already? Ages in kickboxing, some ages in pre-UFC and in UFC. He was a champ in different promotions. I seems that he is tired of all that. Looks like he has lots of money already. Probably completed most from his "to achieve" list. It seems that even when he is not a champ, when he fights, he will get a solid payment anyway.

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September 14, 2023, 12:40:01 PM
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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.

He certainly doesn't look his age. He looks like he's mid-to-late twenties and acts like a teenager. Everyone ages differently, and I think he might be one of those people who can stay in great shape even past the 40. But there's another factor, that we can call mental aging. The longer you fight the harder it is to stay "hungry" and get your motivation high. The adrenaline levels simply might not be what they used to be when he steps into the octagon.
Also, his fighting style to a large degree is based on speed, and that's something that deteriorates with age way faster than strength. There's always an option for him to bulk up and move to the light heavyweight, which is generally slower than the middleweight.

Anyhow, in a recent interview, Dana White was back-pedaling a bit on the idea of an immediate rematch, so things might get more interesting. I think they may be waiting on the Costa-Chimaev result before making any decisions.

It's all the anime he's been watching.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  If the mind is young then body will also look young.

Here's a tape of Holland vs Chiesa.  I honestly have no idea why the books lined Holland as a slight underdog here.  I think it's value esp with how JDM looked at his last match.  I know JDM has been on a tear but I think Holland could sub this guy.  Holland via sub is at 7.20.  Could be worth a sprinkle.

UFC Free Fight:  Holland vs Chiesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkky4VnE-X8

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I just have to mention that junky Dana White again.
First he was really pissed that his boy Adesanya lost hard against Strickland, and everyone could see that on his face in press conference.
Days passed after that fight and he is still talking about it and wondering what happened to Adesanya, without giving real credits to Strickland for beating his ass.
But lets put that aside, now he ex UFC fighters Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture tried to destroy UFC company  Roll Eyes
I think he is getting paranoid and drugs is affecting his thinking a lot.

Back on this week fight card.
I think underdogs have a good chance to win this week, Alexa Grasso is defending champion and you wont get this odds again for sure.
But if you ask me for biggest surprise this week I think this can be Terrence Mitchell win against Raul Rosas Jr.
Rosas is only 18 years old and this is his third fight in UFC, and Mitchell has much more experience in MMA.
Both of them lost previous fights so they need to perform best they can.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-fight-night-grasso-vs-shevchenko-2/rosas-jr-raul-vs-mitchell-terrence-64ee13b5938a06000105c79a

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Speaking about Adesanya - during 1 year he has managed to lost, regain and lost again his champions title. He is 34, based on his instagram, he is enjoying life more than being a full-time working hard fighter. Recently Pereira told, that Izzy should take a rest, make a pause, think what he wants more. I know that social media isnt 100% reflection of humans life, but imho, Izzy starts to look more like Conor. It is party, fun and luxury over hard work in gym.
Adasenya carried the belt for a long time at middleweight and did not put much effort into it because there was no one equal to him at welterweight. Then Alex Perreria came and took his belt. If he was a really good wrestler, he wouldn't even have waited for Perreria in this weight class, he wouldn't have been able to hold the belt for long. Strickland didn't seem to be very well prepared for his match, or he tried to look very relaxed during the match because he knew he would win, but he couldn't find the right time. I think a rematch will be arranged, but even if he gets the belt again, I don't think he can keep it. The middleweight ranking will be determined again.
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Yeap, if miracle wont happen, Strickland gonna lose his belt next fight. And it does not even look that he carries a lot about it. Somewhere in the interviews he has told that he went to UFC to earn money, so he could have funds to pay for gym and sparring Cheesy He just loves to kick ass and to get his ass kicked Cheesy

I just have to mention that junky Dana White again.
First he was really pissed that his boy Adesanya lost hard against Strickland, and everyone could see that on his face in press conference.
Days passed after that fight and he is still talking about it and wondering what happened to Adesanya, without giving real credits to Strickland for beating his ass.

He has said recently also, that this is what UFC is all about - you never know what can happen and how the fight would go. I think if we compare number of cases when underdogs beat favourites with other sports, lets say boxing, than MMA seems to be very unpredictable sport Cheesy

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^  Lol yeah...  That's why the books won't commit to making very low lines to the favorite as it could bite them in the ass.  But they did go below the 1.30 chalk in one rare occassion...  And as we saw, the rest is history.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  I guess they'll put Adesanaya and Strickland as a coin flip in the rematch..? 

Ceremonial weigh ins in around 9 hours folks.  One last time to see these guys face off and gauge the fighters.

Noche UFC:  Ceremonial Weigh In
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Official weigh ins in around three hours.

Noche UFC:  Official Weigh In
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Ceremonial weigh ins in around 9 hours folks.  One last time to see these guys face off and gauge the fighters.

Noche UFC:  Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkai1JvmhFM

Official weigh ins in around three hours.

Noche UFC:  Official Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxKcudyZeg

Enjoy...

That is the kind of weigh ins and face off we deserve https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c25z82ApjOk and on first glance on the instagram, it does not look that Cherneka Johnson is MMA or boxing fighter, or anywhere around fighting Cheesy

With years, I feel somehow sorry for not taking a lot of attention to link to weigh-ins you post. So I decided to click few keys on my keyboard and search youtube for more of them. Found pretty funny compilation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK_u1R9JmxI + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_j1H5p_-m8.

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September 15, 2023, 04:34:23 PM
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I just have to mention that junky Dana White again.
First he was really pissed that his boy Adesanya lost hard against Strickland, and everyone could see that on his face in press conference.
Days passed after that fight and he is still talking about it and wondering what happened to Adesanya, without giving real credits to Strickland for beating his ass.

I don't know. On one hand, if Adesanya's dip in the form turns out to be permanent, the UFC will lose a massive cash-cow, so he that's not something he would be happy about. But, on the other hand, Adesanya's loss massively propped up Strickland, so now they have more stars in the division which opens up new opportunities for more high-profit fights (incl. potential re-match). Looking at things money-wise, it's best when there's a lot of drama and unexpected events. Dominant champion beating up everyone is probably not Dana White's most desired scenario.

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September 15, 2023, 09:22:15 PM
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I am quite surprised that the fight will be this early for this event as for my time zone it really is but for sure it is just OK so for this event this is my bet and prediction for the UFC Fight Night: Grasso vs. Shevchenko 2

Alexa Grasso VS Valentina Shevchenko

The stake odds for this fight are 2.37 for Grasso and 1.57 for Shevchenko it is a very interesting fight for sure actually Valentina Shevchenko still has the essence of being a champion which is why this fight is really hard to predict it could be a win and the return of a champion Valentina Shevchenko but for me if Alexa Grasso can still defend this title and replicate what she did against Shevchenko that means she is the real champion so for this fight I am still going with Alexa Grasso, for me striking wise Alexa Grasso has a round that she is dominant in the striking so yeah my bet if for Alexa Grasso,

Kevin Holland VS Jack Della Maddalena

The stake odds for this fight are 2.20 for Holland and 1.65 for Della Maddalena, for this fight Kevin Holland is fairly enough to get a decent ground game while Jack Della Maddalena's advantage is his punching power if he can catch Kevin Holland with this fight is over because Maddalena can surely hit like a Heavyweight for sure but for me, Kevin Holland can control this with his ground game so for sure I am going with Kevin Holland,

Raul Rosas Jr. VS Terrence Mitchell

The stake odds for this fight are 1.13 for Rosas and 5.80 for Mitchell, for this fight Terrence Mitchell looks more powerful than the young Raul Rosas Jr., and on the 1st loss of Raul Rosas for sure he knows what they will do and what Rosas is lacking and right now heading towards this fight for me Rosas Jr. because of his young age he doesn't have the proper strength so he needs to go into a Strict heavy lifting, to fill that lack of power getting on his last fight lost, so my pick is Raul Rosas Jr.


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September 15, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
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Great fight for sure I wish I could be it live for sure maybe later if I am not busy because I got something to do right now, but wish I could be the main fights for this event, well good luck with all of your picks and bets for this event,

Alexa Grasso (2.37) VS Valentina Shevchenko (1.57)

For this fight, Valentina Shevchenko clearly wants to get her belt back and she already said that she still doesn't recognize the loss to Alexa Grasso as her loss, so for sure I want Grasso to beat her up again, I surely never thought that Alexa Grasso will become this good and become champion I always see her as a fighting kitten but because of that fight her technique and fighting style is truly hone so much for her to get that belt surely she listen to her corner pretty well that is why I think that she will still be winning this so my pick is clearly Alexa Grasso,



Kevin Holland (2.20) VS Jack Della Maddalena (1.65)

For this fight for sure, Jack Della Maddalena is really durable and his striking could be big trouble for Holland but for sure Kevin Holland still got a decent ground game so sure I think it is a weakness for Jack Della Maddalena for this fight I think Kevin Holland has a technicality with his striking as well for me because he got a well-rounded style my pick is Kevin Holland,



Raul Rosas Jr. (1.13) VS Terrence Mitchell (5.80)

For this fight, I really don't know Terrence Mitchell for sure but seeing him on paper for sure he got a weakness on the ground game so sure Raul Rosas Jr. got some advantage in this fight, and Rosas Jr. is also well-rounded in this fight clearly I have nothing to say, that is why Raul Rosas Jr. is the favorite to win in this fight,


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September 16, 2023, 02:29:55 AM
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Well, in just 1 year Adesanya lost his title twice and now it is really considered impossible for him to regain his title but for me I still have confidence that there is a big opportunity for Adesanya to challenge Stickland again and fight for the title he once had like before when he took the belt from Alex Pereira.
Even though he is 34 years old his fighting ability cannot be underestimated.

Here I slightly agree with what Pereira said namely that Adesanya needs to rest first and prepare everything to fight for the title again and when it comes to lifestyle Adesanya is indeed more similar to Conor in the past still getting glory from the UFC.
Adesanya's journey in the UFC has been like a Roller Coaster. Emerged as a fighter who is considered to have the highest fight IQ in striking in the UFC today. Won the title from Whittaker, broke Borrachinha's undefeated record, once crushed his entire division, then moved up to LHW to fight for the Double Champ title but was unsuccessful, beat Whittaker and Vettori 2 times, faced an old rival who became his nightmare and lost the title, then succeeded take it back. I think this will shape the mentality of a champion from Adesanya and it won't take long for Izzy to return to being king in this middle class

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September 16, 2023, 04:22:05 AM
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Well, in just 1 year Adesanya lost his title twice and now it is really considered impossible for him to regain his title but for me I still have confidence that there is a big opportunity for Adesanya to challenge Stickland again and fight for the title he once had like before when he took the belt from Alex Pereira.
Even though he is 34 years old his fighting ability cannot be underestimated.

Here I slightly agree with what Pereira said namely that Adesanya needs to rest first and prepare everything to fight for the title again and when it comes to lifestyle Adesanya is indeed more similar to Conor in the past still getting glory from the UFC.
Adesanya's journey in the UFC has been like a Roller Coaster. Emerged as a fighter who is considered to have the highest fight IQ in striking in the UFC today. Won the title from Whittaker, broke Borrachinha's undefeated record, once crushed his entire division, then moved up to LHW to fight for the Double Champ title but was unsuccessful, beat Whittaker and Vettori 2 times, faced an old rival who became his nightmare and lost the title, then succeeded take it back. I think this will shape the mentality of a champion from Adesanya and it won't take long for Izzy to return to being king in this middle class

I think he is actually starting to enjoy life because he is getting old. And you know he has achieved a lot of things in his career. At 34 years of age, he is definitely going to enjoy life a little more. He has done the hard work till now in his life. I think we cannot bash him for enjoying life a little at this point.

But at the same time, he's not going to be at the peak of his physical condition for a long period of time from now. So probably it will be better for him to try really hard for 2/3 more years and then enjoy life. But when we look at the achievements that he had in his career, I don't think we can say that he will achieve those kind of things again.

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UFC Fight Night: Grasso vs. Shevchenko 2

Kittens fighting in main event - in few minutes YuginKadoya gonna appear here Cheesy And I as usually gonna skip that. There are few familiar names in the card, like Holland and youngest kid in UFC (Rosas Jr.), but I find low interest in watching the event. Probably gonna skip and just watch a review after. The post fight discussion of Izzy vs Strickland seems more interesting than next event Cheesy Dont think we need a instant rematch, as it a clear fight, 4-1 by rounds in Strickland favour.

Valentina Shevchenko                 Alexa Grasso
Fight style: Muay Thai                Fighting style: Mexican boxing
Vital stastics: 34-24-36              Vital statistics: 34-23-24
Special move: Flamenco dance    Special move: Cute smile



My prediction, this will be a difficult split decision victory for Valentina Shevchenko and uncle Dana will approve an immediate trilogy, I reckon. He also likes the sexy fighting kittens hehehehee.

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