ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[libert19]

Tomorrow alone can be said to be India's bad luck as multiple missed catches at slip and inviting India to bat after winning the toss can be considered as secondary reasons for India's defeat. Yesterday took a lot of ball turn in the first innings but in the second innings the ball did not slow down due to the extra duty. Here Australia got an added advantage and Australia's Travis Head's missed catch was one of the main reasons behind India's defeat. However, the Indian supporters were completely deprived of the joy of this title.

India didn't actually miss the catch yesterday but first the ball was boundary between the two slip fielders and the fielders had nothing to do because the ball was out of bounds before the fielders knew anything. Despite not missing a catch, KL Rahul had some poor wicket-keeping yesterday and failed to capture several balls with the gloves. After winning the World Cup, the Australian captain said in the press conference that the toss was a very important thing for them because they knew that this wicket would be a bit first at night and it would be a bit easier to bat on this wicket at night. Australia wanted to bat in the second innings and they batted in the second innings. Australia beat India yesterday for two players who were not supposed to be in this World Cup tournament. A win like this will undoubtedly be one to remember for Australia at the end of the year.

First one didn't matter much anyway, because Warner was out soon after. There were other two when spinners were bowling both from Travis Head, one from Kuldeep in his 22th over and another from Jadeja in 24th, you can watch highlights too.

Regarding KL Rahul, he seemed under pressure, during batting and during keeping as well.

[Sithara007]

First one didn't matter much anyway, because Warner was out soon after. There were other two when spinners were bowling both from Travis Head, one from Kuldeep in his 22th over and another from Jadeja in 24th, you can watch highlights too.

Regarding KL Rahul, he seemed under pressure, during batting and during keeping as well.

KL Rahul's form was one of the negatives for the Indian team throughout the tournament. I am not sure when Rishabh Pant will be back in action. As soon as Rishabh is able to join the team, Rahul needs to be kicked out. In case Rishabh's recovery takes another 5-6 months, then the Indian selectors need to look at other options. And Sanju Samson is not a suitable replacement. A lot of chances were given to him, and he wasted each of them. KS Bharat or Anuj Rawat maybe a better replacement for KL Rahul at this point, in my opinion.

[libert19]

First one didn't matter much anyway, because Warner was out soon after. There were other two when spinners were bowling both from Travis Head, one from Kuldeep in his 22th over and another from Jadeja in 24th, you can watch highlights too.

Regarding KL Rahul, he seemed under pressure, during batting and during keeping as well.

KL Rahul's form was one of the negatives for the Indian team throughout the tournament. I am not sure when Rishabh Pant will be back in action. As soon as Rishabh is able to join the team, Rahul needs to be kicked out. In case Rishabh's recovery takes another 5-6 months, then the Indian selectors need to look at other options. And Sanju Samson is not a suitable replacement. A lot of chances were given to him, and he wasted each of them. KS Bharat or Anuj Rawat maybe a better replacement for KL Rahul at this point, in my opinion.

Throughout tournament? He made fastest Indian hundred, and in one games he had good judgement about caught behind where other mates were unsure of, took DRS and he was right. In keeping he was excellent too (except Finale), several great catches.

[Fuso.hp]

Australia was number 10th in the point table at some point and from there, they won the World Cup. Did you know the fact is that Pat Cummins is the first Australian captain to win the World Cup as a bowler? They have played eight World Cup finals and they have won six of them which is incredible. The day was not for India. They have played better cricket in this tournament but the final result is unfortunate. Team India had a similar situation against Australia in the group-stage match. But they managed it well and won the match from there.

After 65 years Aussies have named a fast bowler a captain i.e. Pat Cummins. Ray Lindwall was the previous fast bowler who captained Australia in one test match in 1956. But I think Australia as a unit is so strong that it doesn't matter who is there captain. Since 1999 Aussies are dominating cricket in all formats, there domestic setup is so mature that there are always players available to replace the specialists one upon there retirement.   

Australia has achieved great things in world cricket this year. They won the Test Championship trophy by defeating India in the final of the World Test Championship followed by The Ashes series win against England and lastly they won the ODI World Cup for the sixth time. Pat Cummins led well It must be said that it is easier for a captain to lead when other players in his team are performing well. Australia has always been a balanced team and everyone who plays for this team plays for the team so it is very easy for the captain to lead. Pat Cummins is lucky to have captained Australia because this team has all types of players and all types of players are world class which is why Pat Cummins has led well as captain.

[Sithara007]

Australia has achieved great things in world cricket this year. They won the Test Championship trophy by defeating India in the final of the World Test Championship followed by The Ashes series win against England and lastly they won the ODI World Cup for the sixth time. Pat Cummins led well It must be said that it is easier for a captain to lead when other players in his team are performing well. Australia has always been a balanced team and everyone who plays for this team plays for the team so it is very easy for the captain to lead. Pat Cummins is lucky to have captained Australia because this team has all types of players and all types of players are world class which is why Pat Cummins has led well as captain.

One thing that I like about Australia is that they are thoroughly professional. They never give any importance for personal milestones. I have seen Australia declaring in test matches, even when their batsmen are in 90s or 190s. I have never seen this for any other team, including India. And they only put merit as a criteria for selection. This is different from teams like South Africa and West Indies, who have race-based selection policies. And they never include players who are not fit in the playing XI. No matter how important that player is, if he is not 100% fit or in form, someone else will replace him.

[Out of mind]

Poor batting from..

Shubman Gill 4 runs
Shreyas Iyer 4 runs
Ravindra jadeja 9 runs
SKY 18 runs

I think that the pressure which India batter can afford especially in final and due to that reason they unable to score some handsome runs, to be honest final has next kind pressure no doubt indian has edge if thier home town but unfortunately thier early mistake in batting cost them too expensive defeat, Kohli has the class and he is the only batter who know how to Handel pressure and survive in such high pressure situation exactly like Australia player have but his unexpected dismissal collapse entire Indian team confidence and moral. Anyway for next ODI world Cup we have to seen some new faces because some of Indian classical player are about to retire because they will be over age or some how old to play next world cup they will be Rohit, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, or may be Virat. It's my opinion may be some of them played next world cup too

From the past records one thing can be said about Australia no matter how bad they perform in the opening stages they try to perform at their best in the finals. One thing is very important here when Australia decided to field the toss this decision played a very important role here. Moreover, due to the presence of a lot of moisture/fog in the Indian skies during the afternoon, Australia had an advantage in batting at night. Besides, there are many smaller reasons why Australia won the title for a record sixth time.

We know that Australia team always perform amazingly in important matches and time and time they beat the opposition team, they have created many such records in the past. It was very important when Australia won the toss and decided to bowl because they made such a decision to chase the target. Although there could also be many reasons, as Australia's captain, he brilliantly led the team to the finals and eventual champions. Moreover, it is really interesting that for the sixth time as the world champions, Australia team is once again the only team in the world to have reached the most finals and won the most World Cup trophy titles.

[3kpk3]

Throughout tournament? He made fastest Indian hundred, and in one games he had good judgement about caught behind where other mates were unsure of, took DRS and he was right. In keeping he was excellent too (except Finale), several great catches.

Agreed. Only brainless haters are negating his valuable contributions throughout the tournament to be honest. Rahul solved the Indian middle order issue perfectly and his keeping skills improved quite a bit too.

I felt sad for him, Rohit and Virat the most when they lost the final. They entertained us all so much throughout the tournament which is applause worthy.

[Fuso.hp]

Australia has achieved great things in world cricket this year. They won the Test Championship trophy by defeating India in the final of the World Test Championship followed by The Ashes series win against England and lastly they won the ODI World Cup for the sixth time. Pat Cummins led well It must be said that it is easier for a captain to lead when other players in his team are performing well. Australia has always been a balanced team and everyone who plays for this team plays for the team so it is very easy for the captain to lead. Pat Cummins is lucky to have captained Australia because this team has all types of players and all types of players are world class which is why Pat Cummins has led well as captain.

One thing that I like about Australia is that they are thoroughly professional. They never give any importance for personal milestones. I have seen Australia declaring in test matches, even when their batsmen are in 90s or 190s. I have never seen this for any other team, including India. And they only put merit as a criteria for selection. This is different from teams like South Africa and West Indies, who have race-based selection policies. And they never include players who are not fit in the playing XI. No matter how important that player is, if he is not 100% fit or in form, someone else will replace him.

The Australian team is so professional because no politics or any particular caste or tribe is given priority in the selection of players in the Australian team. Each country selects players by prioritizing various factors in the selection of the team, but if the players are selected in this way, the chances of selecting qualified players are low. South Africa prioritizes their particular tribe in team selection and if any other player performs well outside the particular tribe, that performance is not given much importance. Not only in South Africa but there are some other Asian countries including Bangladesh Pakistan where many talented players do not get opportunities due to unilateral decisions of the management and in some cases politics is clearly observed. For the sake of cricket, if every team gives more priority to the talent of the cricketers, then every country can do enough in cricket.

[TakeItEasy]

Throughout tournament? He made fastest Indian hundred, and in one games he had good judgement about caught behind where other mates were unsure of, took DRS and he was right. In keeping he was excellent too (except Finale), several great catches.

Agreed. Only brainless haters are negating his valuable contributions throughout the tournament to be honest. Rahul solved the Indian middle order issue perfectly and his keeping skills improved quite a bit too.

I felt sad for him, Rohit and Virat the most when they lost the final. They entertained us all so much throughout the tournament which is applause worthy.

Virat Kohli is still the World Best Batsman but I don't know why the Indian Media is criticizing him even he had made more runs in this World Cup. Although the Indian Team played well throughout the World Cup but they had made few mistakes in the Final Match as it also includes a catch drop from their fielders. Which puts them behind the Trophy and the Trophy of World Cup 2023 has won by Australia.

Still David Warner didn't made more runs in the Final Although its partner Trivas Head made the runs which were required for winning the match and a brilliant and smashed innings put them to a win against India in the Final. As saddened for most of the team as most of the cricketers retired in this world cup and they will not play the international cricket.

[Sithara007]

Throughout tournament? He made fastest Indian hundred, and in one games he had good judgement about caught behind where other mates were unsure of, took DRS and he was right. In keeping he was excellent too (except Finale), several great catches.

Agreed. Only brainless haters are negating his valuable contributions throughout the tournament to be honest. Rahul solved the Indian middle order issue perfectly and his keeping skills improved quite a bit too.

I felt sad for him, Rohit and Virat the most when they lost the final. They entertained us all so much throughout the tournament which is applause worthy.

Given the fact that Rahul bats in middle order, his strike rate (90.76) looks awfully low for me. Others who bat in the same position had much higher strike rate when compared to Rahul. Examples are Shreyas Iyer (113.24), Ravindra Jadeja (101.69) and Suryakumar Yadav (100.95). You can claim that there isn't much of a difference between strike rate of 90 and 100-110, but IMO, it can decide the outcome in close matches. I am not saying that Rahul was the reason why India lost the final. All I am saying is that he had the chance to win a trophy for India and he failed in that.

[JSRAW]

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Virat Kohli is still the World Best Batsman but I don't know why the Indian Media is criticizing him even he had made more runs in this World Cup. Although the Indian Team played well throughout the World Cup but they had made few mistakes in the Final Match as it also includes a catch drop from their fielders. Which puts them behind the Trophy and the Trophy of World Cup 2023 has won by Australia.

Still David Warner didn't made more runs in the Final Although its partner Trivas Head made the runs which were required for winning the match and a brilliant and smashed innings put them to a win against India in the Final. As saddened for most of the team as most of the cricketers retired in this world cup and they will not play the international cricket.

3kpk3 and libert19 are replying to Sithara in the context of KL Rahul's performance comment.

Which media criticized Indian players after the WC? I am yet to see any criticism, infact literally everyone is praising them for their good run. Some even dick riding for stats, which is cringe.

[libert19]

Virat Kohli is still the World Best Batsman but I don't know why the Indian Media is criticizing him even he had made more runs in this World Cup.

Indian commercial media is trash, you should not expect logic here. You are better of ignorant about world affairs than to stay updated through them.

As saddened for most of the team as most of the cricketers retired in this world cup and they will not play the international cricket.

I think no one has announced retirement yet, have they?

[Sithara007]

Is there any truth in this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-12771089/India-putting-pressure-ICC-reconsider-decision-expand-2027-World-Cup-14-teams-just-days-ignored-governing-body-change-pitch-semi-final-New-Zealand.html

Daily Mail (a well known tabloid based in United Kingdom that specializes in fake news) has claimed that the BCCI is pressuring ICC to revert to a 10-team setup for the 2027 ODI World Cup, despite the decision previously to expand it to a 14-team tournament. Several questions remain unanswered. How can the BCCI make such a demand? If there is such a demand, then most probably it would have come from Disney-Star, who hold the media rights for this tournament. Anyway, I don't think that the ICC can implement a roll-back now, after going public with details about the 2027 edition.

[JSRAW]

Is there any truth in this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-12771089/India-putting-pressure-ICC-reconsider-decision-expand-2027-World-Cup-14-teams-just-days-ignored-governing-body-change-pitch-semi-final-New-Zealand.html

Daily Mail (a well known tabloid based in United Kingdom that specializes in fake news) has claimed that the BCCI is pressuring ICC to revert to a 10-team setup for the 2027 ODI World Cup, despite the decision previously to expand it to a 14-team tournament. Several questions remain unanswered. How can the BCCI make such a demand? If there is such a demand, then most probably it would have come from Disney-Star, who hold the media rights for this tournament. Anyway, I don't think that the ICC can implement a roll-back now, after going public with details about the 2027 edition.

There is a big possibility of a broadcaster dictating the terms but considering the kind of hitjob Dailymail is doing against Indian cricket in general, it sounds like another hitjob against BCCI for no reason. They don't control Broadcaster, infact it's the other way around.

It's not rocket science who is a big gainer if it's 10 team tournament. Indian cricket fills the pocket of the ICC so they are big losers if something goes wrong, similar to 2007. Yes BCCI will also lose some but so are the other boards.

[Fuso.hp]

Throughout tournament? He made fastest Indian hundred, and in one games he had good judgement about caught behind where other mates were unsure of, took DRS and he was right. In keeping he was excellent too (except Finale), several great catches.

Agreed. Only brainless haters are negating his valuable contributions throughout the tournament to be honest. Rahul solved the Indian middle order issue perfectly and his keeping skills improved quite a bit too.

I felt sad for him, Rohit and Virat the most when they lost the final. They entertained us all so much throughout the tournament which is applause worthy.

Virat Kohli is still the World Best Batsman but I don't know why the Indian Media is criticizing him even he had made more runs in this World Cup. Although the Indian Team played well throughout the World Cup but they had made few mistakes in the Final Match as it also includes a catch drop from their fielders. Which puts them behind the Trophy and the Trophy of World Cup 2023 has won by Australia.

Still David Warner didn't made more runs in the Final Although its partner Trivas Head made the runs which were required for winning the match and a brilliant and smashed innings put them to a win against India in the Final. As saddened for most of the team as most of the cricketers retired in this world cup and they will not play the international cricket.

Some Indian fans are very critical of some players of the team including Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli but if this India could have won the world cup then I think Indian fans and journalists would have danced on their heads instead of criticizing these players. When India went undefeated for 10 matches no fan or journalist talked about where the team failed and where the team needed to improve but whenever they lost a match it was as if the media and general public turned against them. Doing this is not called supporting the team, all the 11 players who played for India against Australia represented the country and tried their best to help the country win the world cup but the final day was not India's due to which India lost the final. Just like Indian fans have supported this team in good times also in bad times the fans should support this team only then they can prepare themselves for the next tournament.

[Sithara007]

There is a big possibility of a broadcaster dictating the terms but considering the kind of hitjob Dailymail is doing against Indian cricket in general, it sounds like another hitjob against BCCI for no reason. They don't control Broadcaster, infact it's the other way around.

It's not rocket science who is a big gainer if it's 10 team tournament. Indian cricket fills the pocket of the ICC so they are big losers if something goes wrong, similar to 2007. Yes BCCI will also lose some but so are the other boards.

Given the risk involved, I don't think that the BCCI has anything to do with this. Their share from the ICC media rights for 2024-27 (38.5% of $3 billion, i.e around $1 billion) is only a fraction of the IPL media rights for the same period. Given this, I don't think that the BCCI will try to intervene in the tournament format. The risk involved is simply not worth it. I am 100% sure that Disney-Star is behind the new proposal. They have a feeling that they paid far more for the 2024-27 cycle than they should have and now they are trying to find some excuse to cancel the deal.

[Shishir99]

The Ashes series win against England

A little correction. Australia did not win the Ashes in 2023. They just retained the trophy because the previous winner was Australia already. The Ashes series of 2023 was drawn. But, according to the Ashes rules, the previous series winner retained the trophy. I remember that England had terrible luck during the series. England could have won the 4th match but rain washed out the match.

Back to the main point. Australia played awesome in the last years but they did not play well against India right before the World Cup. Even they lost the first match against India in the group stage. But they have won the World Cup from there.

[Compromise me]

Poor batting from..

Shubman Gill 4 runs
Shreyas Iyer 4 runs
Ravindra jadeja 9 runs
SKY 18 runs

In yesterday's match, India's top batsmen's contribution was very poor, especially in the early stages, India were under so much pressure that KL Rahul was forced to play a Test-like innings. India's innings was set a target of 240 for now based on KL Rahul's slow batting. Although the target of 241 runs was not a very tough target for Australia but due to poor performance of Indian fielding in Australia's innings and several missed catches, India lost the match yesterday heartbreakingly.

Yes 4 batsmen batted very badly, if they could have batted well they could have given enough runs target. I think if Shreyas Iyer and Shubman Gill both batted well, India would have been able to target many runs, because if they had done well in the beginning, India would not have been under so much pressure. With Shubman Gill and Shreyas Iyer in great form, they were expected to put up a good run but they failed in the end. Against Netherlands and New Zealand, Suryakumar Yadav was allowed to bat towards the end of the innings, due to which he could not score many runs. But in the final match Suryakumar Yadav got a chance to bat with many overs left, but he could not bat well. Ravindra Jadeja bats unexpectedly. Besides, Rahul, Kohli, Rohit would have been able to give a target of many runs if one of them scored a century. India's squad had top order and middle order batting strong in batting but lower order batsmen are very weak in batting.

I think the way India batted was really bad compared to other matches. Especially if a few batsmen could have performed well, they could have scored more runs, but it was not in India's luck. But I think that if India had given the target of more runs, the Australian team could have met that target. Because the Australian batsmen came to the field with the intention of beating India by any means, and they fulfilled that objective and became the champion by defeating India by a huge margin. The way six-time world champions Australia played the final match against India was really interesting to watch. Where the Indian team was undefeated for the entire ten matches, it is truly worth seeing that the Indian team defeated Australia in the final match and won the champion trophy. However, every player in the Indian team was disappointed yesterday, both batting and bowling were bad which led to their loss, but many people were happy to see India lose.

Yes ,you are right. Indian team performed very bad. In my opinion,if target would be 300+ then it would be very difficult for Australia. In Final match, 300 score is big score to chase. But India can't make handsome score to defend. When Australian 3 wickets fell ,it seemed India will caught Australia  batsmans under 200 score but Travis Head and Labuschagne played very well and they made a good partnership and they snatched the match from Indian players.India is best team but Australia also proved that they are king not in only home ground but in also Indian ground,Ahmadabad. Mohammed Shami didn't performed well in Final match.

[JSRAW]

There is a big possibility of a broadcaster dictating the terms but considering the kind of hitjob Dailymail is doing against Indian cricket in general, it sounds like another hitjob against BCCI for no reason. They don't control Broadcaster, infact it's the other way around.

It's not rocket science who is a big gainer if it's 10 team tournament. Indian cricket fills the pocket of the ICC so they are big losers if something goes wrong, similar to 2007. Yes BCCI will also lose some but so are the other boards.

Given the risk involved, I don't think that the BCCI has anything to do with this. Their share from the ICC media rights for 2024-27 (38.5% of $3 billion, i.e around $1 billion) is only a fraction of the IPL media rights for the same period. Given this, I don't think that the BCCI will try to intervene in the tournament format. The risk involved is simply not worth it. I am 100% sure that Disney-Star is behind the new proposal. They have a feeling that they paid far more for the 2024-27 cycle than they should have and now they are trying to find some excuse to cancel the deal.

Finally, it took you more than 1 year but now you are accepting as well  . That's a moment i must tell you "Told ya" 

During their bid, I mentioned here many times that they overpaid due to FOMO and missing the IPL bid and in doing so they messed up everything. Another example of a Broadcaster showcasing its power is, just look at the upcoming T-20 series against Australia.

As mentioned in my previous post that Hotstar does have a monopoly in OTT market, close to 60 Million paid subscribers so no argument there whatsoever.

Let me put it this way, why i think they overpaid (not saying that they can't make money, just focusing on overpaid issue)

- Do you think that casual or even hardcore cricket fans watch every match in the ICC tournament? 99.99% would say no because fans love to watch their respective team (sometimes they even miss the action) and marquee, knockout encounters like Semifinals/ Finals.

-There are total of 179 matches in 4 ICC tournaments and India is playing 26 matches in 4 ICC tournaments then we have additional 8 semifinals and 4 finals (knockouts).

- From the broadcaster's point of view if they are targeting the Indian market only, then they have only 26 (Ind) + 8(Semis) + 4(finals) = 38 Important matches out of 179 in the ICC tournaments.

- If we look at important matches only (38) then according to $3.02 Billion bid it every match is worth close to $80 Million.

- And if we are looking at every ICC match which is 179 then every game is worth approx $16.8 Million. Point to note that 1 IPL match worth is $13-ish million, that's a recent benchmark.

Remember 179 - 38 = 141 non India/ non knockouts.

Now tell me which broadcaster will pay close to $17 million bucks for Aus vs SL, Pak vs SL, SA vs BAN or even Eng vs Aus for Indian or any market?

[HONDACD125]

Yes ,you are right. Indian team performed very bad. In my opinion,if target would be 300+ then it would be very difficult for Australia. In Final match, 300 score is big score to chase. But India can't make handsome score to defend. When Australian 3 wickets fell ,it seemed India will caught Australia  batsmans under 200 score but Travis Head and Labuschagne played very well and they made a good partnership and they snatched the match from Indian players.India is best team but Australia also proved that they are king not in only home ground but in also Indian ground,Ahmadabad. Mohammed Shami didn't performed well in Final match.

Australia benefited the most from winning the toss, and therefore invited India to bat first as they managed the pitch well. They knew that the pitch would be favorable to the bowlers at the beginning of the match.Australia bowled early and took full advantage of the pitch and restricted the Indian batsmen to a very low score.

I think the whole blame cannot be put on the batsmen, because while the pitch was favorable to the bowlers, the Indian bowlers also took advantage of the pitch and dismissed three Australian players early on. Warner, Marsh and Smith all these players are not ordinary batsmen but very good batsmen. When there was nothing left for the bowlers in the pitch, then a batsman like Travis Head also became heavy for the Indian bowlers. Whose previous record is not better than the three players who were out.