2024 PBA Governor's Cup

[bisdak40]

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

[blockman]

They tried to cheat SGA, but they didn't succeed as it was obvious SGA was the better team. Hopefully, the next Jones Cup will not be held in that country. Maybe it could be held in the Philippines, giving our players the home court advantage, but we also want to see fair officiating if that happens.

RJ is joking about the next Jones Cup and it should be in the courts of Tondo. 

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)

I read this just today. Are we the only league that has this kind of rule? This looks interesting, and I guess the players who will benefit are those who love to shoot beyond the arc. To name a few, Paul Lee and maybe Bolick. Let's see how this goes. I'm excited for the resumption of the PBA, which will be happening next month.

Likely that we are only to have this kind of basketball pointing rule. Not sure if North Korea has that if the player shoots flawless and nothing but net.

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

Many don't like it to be honest but let's see if it's a real game changer. Most shooters will start to practice then.

[arwin100]

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

I don't see it a genius move and nobody cares about 4-point shoot since there's only few shooter who could able to shoot in that area. Many fans criticize the decision on why they add that while this is not been implemented on international games including NBA.

Maybe what's best for the league is team expansion since with that they can make the league more exciting if there would be a lot of teams will join on PBA. But I guess they don't like to do that since it maybe hard to manipulate the league if there's a lot of team will join on PBA.

[Fredomago]

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

I don't see it a genius move and nobody cares about 4-point shoot since there's only few shooter who could able to shoot in that area. Many fans criticize the decision on why they add that while this is not been implemented on international games including NBA.

Maybe what's best for the league is team expansion since with that they can make the league more exciting if there would be a lot of teams will join on PBA. But I guess they don't like to do that since it maybe hard to manipulate the league if there's a lot of team will join on PBA.

I like idea adding more teams a kind of comptitions where the dominance of SMC and MVP might be challenge just allow choks owner to participate and throw is money for the competitions, no need to add that 4 point line and give those players try hard to take that spot and master it, as we all know that even how far it is, practice can improve your chance and we might see our new generations stars who will work on that side just like how they idolized Steph and Dame, who keeps those long shots and create enough space taking shot like that.

I read somewhere from a social media post as even Big "J" and coach tim are not convince that adding that 4 point range will bring attention to the fans, big "J" mentioned that it's like larong kalye in our own terms, not a good addition and better to think wiser if PBA managements wanted to bring more attention and bring the old glory back.

[Russlenat]

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

[bisdak40]

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Yeah, i do agree with this, they should hear what the fans want but it seems to me that those outcries by the fans has fallen to deaf ears and they don't do anything about that. Maybe adding additional teams could somehow bring back the fans to watch the games as they will got to see new faces in the league. Though i have doubts of the transfer of Stanly Pringle and Christian Standhardinger to Terrafirma but that trade is a good start to bring balance to the teams of the PBA and hoping that those players who play abroad will go back to the Philippines and play in the PBA.

[Fredomago]

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Yeah, i do agree with this, they should hear what the fans want but it seems to me that those outcries by the fans has fallen to deaf ears and they don't do anything about that. Maybe adding additional teams could somehow bring back the fans to watch the games as they will got to see new faces in the league. Though i have doubts of the transfer of Stanly Pringle and Christian Standhardinger to Terrafirma but that trade is a good start to bring balance to the teams of the PBA and hoping that those players who play abroad will go back to the Philippines and play in the PBA.

They hear it loud and clear but MVP and SMC can give them the money that they desire to earn that's much bigger than any voice and criticizm of the fans, they are not willing to give that hope but just to continue doing what they are already been known, though maybe if somehow they'll allow to bring a new team or just like what they've did before inviting guest teams and bring that competitions to a bigger arena that may bring something out.

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

[Maslate]

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?

Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

[Fredomago]

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?

Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.

[arwin100]

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?

Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.

New raising talents now aim overseas because they see more better opportunity. Aside for getting quality minutes for their teams they can also get more bigger pay checks that's why lots of them decide to go abroad and accept the offers given to them.

PBA became more boring and their decisions made is not really appealing to the fans. Maybe they should stop those monopoly mindset if they want to see a good progress of the league, but I guess that's not going to happen if SMB and MVP group is there since they don't want their competitor would advertise their products to PBA and they want to manipulate the league so that everything will be in favor to them. Sad that PBA is not exciting the same as before and maybe we will see that in next few years we could see that PBA will collapsed.

[Maslate]

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?

Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.

New raising talents now aim overseas because they see more better opportunity. Aside for getting quality minutes for their teams they can also get more bigger pay checks that's why lots of them decide to go abroad and accept the offers given to them.

That's the first thing to consider, the disparity of the pay a player will receive playing overseas compared to the PBA.
JMF is probably he highest paid player in the PBA, but I believe other players playing overseas are even making more money than him, so that alone the PBA could not compare anymore, that's why I have no idea what came into their mind to come up with that unrealistic goal.

PBA became more boring and their decisions made is not really appealing to the fans. Maybe they should stop those monopoly mindset if they want to see a good progress of the league, but I guess that's not going to happen if SMB and MVP group is there since they don't want their competitor would advertise their products to PBA and they want to manipulate the league so that everything will be in favor to them. Sad that PBA is not exciting the same as before and maybe we will see that in next few years we could see that PBA will collapsed.

That monopoly has been for a decade IMO, it was just notice in the later years because people have became more active in social media interaction. And with that, I'm sure they read the comments from the real fans but they aren't making any actions about that, so we can't expect they'll grow as a league.

[Fredomago]

That monopoly has been for a decade IMO, it was just notice in the later years because people have became more active in social media interaction. And with that, I'm sure they read the comments from the real fans but they aren't making any actions about that, so we can't expect they'll grow as a league.

That's true, it became obvious as there are many social media critics that brought it out and fans interest is no longer active though there are still some who continue supporting their favorite players and teams but unlike before where you can see how the venue got a full-pack audiences from a different squad that will be playing,

 I guess they are trying to reach out and bring PBA from different location and show that there are still people who wants to watch them live.

But, as an observer bring them in inside araneta of even in a much smaller colliseum the numbers of attendace is far from those glorious years of PBA.

[Questat]

That monopoly has been for a decade IMO, it was just notice in the later years because people have became more active in social media interaction. And with that, I'm sure they read the comments from the real fans but they aren't making any actions about that, so we can't expect they'll grow as a league.

That's true, it became obvious as there are many social media critics that brought it out and fans interest is no longer active though there are still some who continue supporting their favorite players and teams but unlike before where you can see how the venue got a full-pack audiences from a different squad that will be playing,

 I guess they are trying to reach out and bring PBA from different location and show that there are still people who wants to watch them live.

But, as an observer bring them in inside araneta of even in a much smaller colliseum the numbers of attendace is far from those glorious years of PBA.

Haven't you noticed? They started bringing the attention of the crowd when Meralco won the championship in the All Filipino Cup. They weren't expected to win. In fact, before the finals, most of us probably thought that SMB would sweep them, but it didn't happen. I think if they could rig the game, they would. They have the refs to do the job, so it's very easy for them.

I guess in the next season, I would bet on the underdog, as most likely there will be some upsets. If my theory is right, they are trying to make weaker teams competitive, and they can use the refs to manipulate the game.

[blockman]

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Those criticisms towards them aren't wrong. And they need to take that for the wrong leadership that's being done to the league. It's been record that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and yet, instead of upgrading, they're keeping the traditional and even allowing teams to reign through favoring the trades from the farm team to SMC and MVP teams. Well, it's going to be a hard pill to swallow to the commissioners of it and even they will change some points system, that's not what the fans are looking for.

[Maslate]

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Those criticisms towards them aren't wrong. And they need to take that for the wrong leadership that's being done to the league. It's been record that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and yet, instead of upgrading, they're keeping the traditional and even allowing teams to reign through favoring the trades from the farm team to SMC and MVP teams. Well, it's going to be a hard pill to swallow to the commissioners of it and even they will change some points system, that's not what the fans are looking for.

There's still hope for this oldest team in Asia, but significant change is unlikely if these two giants continue to control the league. We are all aware that SMC and the MVP group are the two team owners dominating the league. Consequently, the commissioners and the people running the league might just be puppets of these two entities. Therefore, the change we are hoping for will not happen unless it benefits them.  That's the real talk. 

[Finestream]

PBA draws nearly 1 million viewers per game

OSAKA - Data from US media research group Nielsen show the Philippine Basketball Association remains the most popular sports program in the country, with almost a million viewers tuning in to each game on average.

Reviewing numbers from the past season in preparation for the next, PBA officials were pleased to see dominant numbers as presented by their broadcast partners TV5 and Cignal TV, and confirmed by Nielsen.

"Nakakatuwa at nakakataba ng puso," said PBA commissioner Willie Marcial on the ratings presented during the first session of the PBA annual planning meeting at Swissotel Nankai here.

There is not problem with the number of viewers as it's a reality that the Filipinos are really a fun of basketball. However, the problem with them is that people are not anymore coming to the venue, that's why they cannot generate revenue from that. I think they should find a way to attract people from watching the venue as it's different when you are watching at your home and you are seeing a lot of fans supporting in the venue.

What do they get actually from the viewers online? Because online viewers mostly watch games through illegal streaming.

[LogitechMouse]

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

This 4-point shot has pros and cons based on one video that I've watched on Facebook.

One pro is that, no lead is safe... or I should say that anybody can just evaporate the lead quicker than we are seeing because of this implementation. I mean instead of only 9 points when the team shot 3 3-point shots, it will be 12 points, and we know how important a point is especially in close games. A point can separate both teams.

One con is that, we are getting away from FIBA. FIBA didn't even think of implementing this 4-point shot, and the PBA already did it? Even the PBA legends are against this one, and even Coach Tim Cone. Another con that I saw (based on the video I watched) is that, the game will be more boring because more and more shooters will opt to shoot for the 4-point area instead of 3, and since it's very far away, there might be more airball shots than going in. The game itself is boring already, now they're adding another one.

PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Quite ironic that they want PBA to be the top sports entertainment in Asia but they don't know how to stop SMC and MVP to milk other teams and getting their top trades.
They've been criticized, and as long as they will not make any significant changes with regards to the teams, the balance and the competition, I JUST HOPE THAT MORE PBA PLAYERS WILL PLAY OVERSEAS AND MAKE THE LEAGUE OUT THERE MORE POPULAR.

I do really hope that more and more young and talented players will opt to play overseas because PBA is just a boring league. Many especially those die hard PBA fans here might not agree with me, and I understand, but you know that the league is becoming more and more boring because of unbalanced trades, farming teams, etc. etc.

[arwin100]

New raising talents now aim overseas because they see more better opportunity. Aside for getting quality minutes for their teams they can also get more bigger pay checks that's why lots of them decide to go abroad and accept the offers given to them.

That's the first thing to consider, the disparity of the pay a player will receive playing overseas compared to the PBA.
JMF is probably he highest paid player in the PBA, but I believe other players playing overseas are even making more money than him, so that alone the PBA could not compare anymore, that's why I have no idea what came into their mind to come up with that unrealistic goal.

If they could just revamp everything give good salaries then make PBA environment became more fair for each team then provably the interest of people will go back. But its like this scenario that we want to happen seems like impossible to come since this league has been manipulated by big companies in Philippines. I also guess salary is not only the goal of the young players to go abroad but also the level of competitiveness is different since they can enhance their skills than in PBA which most likely they sit only sit on Bench and they might show case their talents there.

PBA became more boring and their decisions made is not really appealing to the fans. Maybe they should stop those monopoly mindset if they want to see a good progress of the league, but I guess that's not going to happen if SMB and MVP group is there since they don't want their competitor would advertise their products to PBA and they want to manipulate the league so that everything will be in favor to them. Sad that PBA is not exciting the same as before and maybe we will see that in next few years we could see that PBA will collapsed.

That monopoly has been for a decade IMO, it was just notice in the later years because people have became more active in social media interaction. And with that, I'm sure they read the comments from the real fans but they aren't making any actions about that, so we can't expect they'll grow as a league.

Compare before they didn't do much unfair movements since maybe they cannot pass on past commissioners. But right now its like they installed their own workers and let those big teams to do what they want. We cannot expect anything bigger from them since they always made up crazy decision.

[Fredomago]

PBA draws nearly 1 million viewers per game

OSAKA - Data from US media research group Nielsen show the Philippine Basketball Association remains the most popular sports program in the country, with almost a million viewers tuning in to each game on average.

Reviewing numbers from the past season in preparation for the next, PBA officials were pleased to see dominant numbers as presented by their broadcast partners TV5 and Cignal TV, and confirmed by Nielsen.

"Nakakatuwa at nakakataba ng puso," said PBA commissioner Willie Marcial on the ratings presented during the first session of the PBA annual planning meeting at Swissotel Nankai here.

There is not problem with the number of viewers as it's a reality that the Filipinos are really a fun of basketball. However, the problem with them is that people are not anymore coming to the venue, that's why they cannot generate revenue from that. I think they should find a way to attract people from watching the venue as it's different when you are watching at your home and you are seeing a lot of fans supporting in the venue.

What do they get actually from the viewers online? Because online viewers mostly watch games through illegal streaming.

Yeah right, it's just for claiming but converting that numbers into sales for sure fans are no longer that excited unless it's the Brgy that having the game though not that much but still got the numbers of support a loyal fans who really love seeing players and team who making their ways to keep that bond for the fans and viewers that keep the franchise as the number 1 fan base squad.

Yeah most of those online viewers use illegal streaming just being okay to watch or to monitor scores but not really paying attentions
more on the gambling side to monitor their bets.

[blockman]

Those criticisms towards them aren't wrong. And they need to take that for the wrong leadership that's being done to the league. It's been record that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and yet, instead of upgrading, they're keeping the traditional and even allowing teams to reign through favoring the trades from the farm team to SMC and MVP teams. Well, it's going to be a hard pill to swallow to the commissioners of it and even they will change some points system, that's not what the fans are looking for.

There's still hope for this oldest team in Asia, but significant change is unlikely if these two giants continue to control the league. We are all aware that SMC and the MVP group are the two team owners dominating the league. Consequently, the commissioners and the people running the league might just be puppets of these two entities. Therefore, the change we are hoping for will not happen unless it benefits them.  That's the real talk. 

There's no doubt with that, there's always under the table that the commissioners who are approving the trades has something to do with it.
You're right, that they might be puppets of SMC and MVPs and that's why most of the good picks and trades are happening in them. Whilst for the other teams, they're just like trees and waiting for the good players to be harvested by these two. This is always the cycle, this has been happening for so many years and I was even young at that time then I am tired of seeing either MVP and SMC always at the finals.