2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[Fredomago]

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.

[blockman]

IMHO, they are aware of it and they get it. It's true that it's not about the ticket prices because whatever the cost of it, if the league is handled well. The venues are going to be closely booked and there will be no more scalpers that will take those tickets but even now, the scalpers aren't interested to take part of hoarding tickets. LOL. The farm teams don't really make sense for the league and the commissioners don't do anything with it in their power to control them but it's always money that talks for them.

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

We don't want to see the same teams with strong line ups always comes back in the semis and finals. We're too tired seeing those teams as if they're the only teams playing on the league. It's kind of deserving to see that the crowd is empty for every game and even in championships, they're giving free tickets and despite that, not everyone tries to get them even they're no cost at all. It's all about what the fans like and I think it was Coach Yeng Guiao that says that the PBA management should listen to what the fans like and not them. They should be done to their own purposes and they should give it this time to fans or they will see the downfall of PBA. Actually, it's already falling.

[Distinctin]

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.

I think for now that they could not accomodate new teams then they should invite overseas teams and play with the league. With that, the season will be more competitive, and even though the farm tems still exist but people would not mind that as they want to see the best teams in the PBA playing against an overseas teams in the playoffs, or in the Finals at best.

Anyway, let's discuss on the game last night. Have you seen the game between Meralco and Magnolia? I think they have the lowest output in a single game not sure if they already made history on this one, Meralco 74 - Magnolia 51 points.. 51.. yes that's it, have you seen a team that went to the finals last season and only scored 51 points in the entire game? I think this team really have a problem, and although they secured their playoff spot already but I think they'll be having a problem in the series if they cannot figure out their offense problem.

[mirakal]

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.

I think for now that they could not accomodate new teams then they should invite overseas teams and play with the league. With that, the season will be more competitive, and even though the farm tems still exist but people would not mind that as they want to see the best teams in the PBA playing against an overseas teams in the playoffs, or in the Finals at best.

Anyway, let's discuss on the game last night. Have you seen the game between Meralco and Magnolia? I think they have the lowest output in a single game not sure if they already made history on this one, Meralco 74 - Magnolia 51 points.. 51.. yes that's it, have you seen a team that went to the finals last season and only scored 51 points in the entire game? I think this team really have a problem, and although they secured their playoff spot already but I think they'll be having a problem in the series if they cannot figure out their offense problem.

We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

[Distinctin]

We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.

[Fredomago]

We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.

Moving back to the current topic, I guess Mikey Williams issue is no longer a thing even with TNT's fans, his attitude towards the league should not be tolerated, though he really have that talents and skills but playing only when you wanted to play and demanding for something that over-exceeding from what the league is permitting that's not good from both the team and the league image if they will allow this kind of treatment coming from Williams.

In terms of Cruz opinion or statement, with their current stats it can be done for my personal opinion, SMB is a complete package squad when everyone is healthy, they can compete even with the National team if they will play a tune up game against them, as long as they can keep thei original players and let the remaining National to play against them.

[Distinctin]

We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.

Moving back to the current topic, I guess Mikey Williams issue is no longer a thing even with TNT's fans, his attitude towards the league should not be tolerated, though he really have that talents and skills but playing only when you wanted to play and demanding for something that over-exceeding from what the league is permitting that's not good from both the team and the league image if they will allow this kind of treatment coming from Williams.

In terms of Cruz opinion or statement, with their current stats it can be done for my personal opinion, SMB is a complete package squad when everyone is healthy, they can compete even with the National team if they will play a tune up game against them, as long as they can keep thei original players and let the remaining National to play against them.

SMB have created a complete definition of a super team, mixed with veterans who can still play and some best players on other team before that have join them. They already have the offense, anyone can step up in this team, we can name, CJ Perez, Cris Ross, JMF and even Marcio, nothing is stopping this guy when he is hot.

And just look at the 2nd unit, they have Jericho Cruz, Trollano, Teng, and Romeo, and some other big guys who played well before with their previous teams. Even the most popular team in the PBA which is the Ginebra have no match on this line up because they have a deep roster. What Cruz was saying is they like to make a history and this is the best time for them.

[Kelvinid]

SMB have created a complete definition of a super team, mixed with veterans who can still play and some best players on other team before that have join them. They already have the offense, anyone can step up in this team, we can name, CJ Perez, Cris Ross, JMF and even Marcio, nothing is stopping this guy when he is hot.

And just look at the 2nd unit, they have Jericho Cruz, Trollano, Teng, and Romeo, and some other big guys who played well before with their previous teams. Even the most popular team in the PBA which is the Ginebra have no match on this line up because they have a deep roster. What Cruz was saying is they like to make a history and this is the best time for them.

We can't deny that, looking at their line up it looks like the SMB are not really following the salary cap, probably there's a lot of under the table payment just to form this kind of line up. I don't think they'll change this as they had the best success with this line up, JMF doesn't have to carry his team all the time anymore, the burden is not too heavy so he'll become less prone to injury.

Jericho Cruz has really showed how great he is with the SMB, if he will be at the starting line up, there's a possibility that he will win an award like a finals MVP because he is sorrounded by great shooters and what i like about him is that he is not afraid to attack the paint and his hussle.

[Fredomago]

We can't deny that, looking at their line up it looks like the SMB are not really following the salary cap, probably there's a lot of under the table payment just to form this kind of line up. I don't think they'll change this as they had the best success with this line up, JMF doesn't have to carry his team all the time anymore, the burden is not too heavy so he'll become less prone to injury.

Who's going to believe that those stars who are in their lineup will accept only 300K peso /month? not going to happen, for sure they are taking something outside their contracts, under the table and other stuffs that will let them continue to play for the team.

Jericho Cruz has really showed how great he is with the SMB, if he will be at the starting line up, there's a possibility that he will win an award like a finals MVP because he is sorrounded by great shooters and what i like about him is that he is not afraid to attack the paint and his hussle.

Maybe yes, but with the current squad with a healthy JMF, Perez and TR7 I guess that's something the coach will need to design, all of them are capable to take shots and with established confidence that there's someone who can bring back the ball or will make the ball alive it will be easier to them to take that kind of extra shots.

[xLays]

It feels like it's becoming boring to watch the PBA because almost all the teams are under the San Miguel Corporation, more likely sister companies. They also seem to always win championships because they have the power to sign top players. I wish the old teams like Coca Cola Tigers, Alaska Aces, Air 21 and Sta Lucia could come back. These are the teams I remember; maybe only '90s kids know most about them.

[goinmerry]

SMB have created a complete definition of a super team, mixed with veterans who can still play and some best players on other team before that have join them. They already have the offense, anyone can step up in this team, we can name, CJ Perez, Cris Ross, JMF and even Marcio, nothing is stopping this guy when he is hot.

Just take it with a grain of salt as that was already the usual scene in PBA every All-Filipino Conference.

SMB is always the team to beat during the pure local player's conference especially when they are playing with a full healthy lineup.

Wait for the next import conference (Governors Cup & Commissioners Cup) and you can't expect SMB to always dominate most of the games.

[Kelvinid]

SMB continued their hot winning streak. Another win by beating the Blackwater. Next game will be between TNT vs Converge, this should be a sure win by TNT as Converge is still 0 in this conference so far. I'm just betting on the team total, it's 114.5 for TNT as I think Converge defense are not gonna work for TNT and TNT are now very confident with their outside shooting. Good luck to bettors like me as well.

[Maslate]

SMB continued their hot winning streak. Another win by beating the Blackwater. Next game will be between TNT vs Converge, this should be a sure win by TNT as Converge is still 0 in this conference so far. I'm just betting on the team total, it's 114.5 for TNT as I think Converge defense are not gonna work for TNT and TNT are now very confident with their outside shooting. Good luck to bettors like me as well.

It doesn't look like a sure win so far, Converge is still leading in the game, they are on the 3rd quarter now and converge have a 5 point lead. And converge is not "still 0" in this conference as they already have 1 win versus the Meralco Bolts, that's a strong team so I believe they can compete with TNT now.

[Finestream]

SMB continued their hot winning streak. Another win by beating the Blackwater. Next game will be between TNT vs Converge, this should be a sure win by TNT as Converge is still 0 in this conference so far. I'm just betting on the team total, it's 114.5 for TNT as I think Converge defense are not gonna work for TNT and TNT are now very confident with their outside shooting. Good luck to bettors like me as well.

It doesn't look like a sure win so far, Converge is still leading in the game, they are on the 3rd quarter now and converge have a 5 point lead. And converge is not "still 0" in this conference as they already have 1 win versus the Meralco Bolts, that's a strong team so I believe they can compete with TNT now.

TNT loss in the 3rd and now we are at the 4th where converge are still leading the game. We might be witnessing a upset game in the process. When the first half was over, TNT was like -15.5, that's how converge was underestimated and it looks like they are gonna win, LOL.. Lucky are those who were able to take the moneyline of Converge if TNT will not be able to comeback and win. Though there are still plenty of time, less than 9 minutes, but Converge is already leading by double digit now, TNT have to act fast.

[Fredomago]

SMB continued their hot winning streak. Another win by beating the Blackwater. Next game will be between TNT vs Converge, this should be a sure win by TNT as Converge is still 0 in this conference so far. I'm just betting on the team total, it's 114.5 for TNT as I think Converge defense are not gonna work for TNT and TNT are now very confident with their outside shooting. Good luck to bettors like me as well.

It doesn't look like a sure win so far, Converge is still leading in the game, they are on the 3rd quarter now and converge have a 5 point lead. And converge is not "still 0" in this conference as they already have 1 win versus the Meralco Bolts, that's a strong team so I believe they can compete with TNT now.

TNT loss in the 3rd and now we are at the 4th where converge are still leading the game. We might be witnessing a upset game in the process. When the first half was over, TNT was like -15.5, that's how converge was underestimated and it looks like they are gonna win, LOL.. Lucky are those who were able to take the moneyline of Converge if TNT will not be able to comeback and win. Though there are still plenty of time, less than 9 minutes, but Converge is already leading by double digit now, TNT have to act fast.

Almost, but failed in the last few possessions Converge manage to take their first win, not sure what happened but that's really how the game works, lucky for those who either take the handicap or much better for those who take the ML, that's  sweet win for your gambling, not as many as it can be but there are bettors who loves to take this kind of big risk and hope that manipulation will happen, hahaha, I brough it out again as we all know how struggle Converge from the beginning of the league,,

Beating TNT who we all know have that firepower to dominate but failed that strong rally to snatch the win, congrats to whoever Kabayan who place their bet for Converge ML.

[Japinat]

SMB continued their hot winning streak. Another win by beating the Blackwater. Next game will be between TNT vs Converge, this should be a sure win by TNT as Converge is still 0 in this conference so far. I'm just betting on the team total, it's 114.5 for TNT as I think Converge defense are not gonna work for TNT and TNT are now very confident with their outside shooting. Good luck to bettors like me as well.

It doesn't look like a sure win so far, Converge is still leading in the game, they are on the 3rd quarter now and converge have a 5 point lead. And converge is not "still 0" in this conference as they already have 1 win versus the Meralco Bolts, that's a strong team so I believe they can compete with TNT now.

TNT loss in the 3rd and now we are at the 4th where converge are still leading the game. We might be witnessing a upset game in the process. When the first half was over, TNT was like -15.5, that's how converge was underestimated and it looks like they are gonna win, LOL.. Lucky are those who were able to take the moneyline of Converge if TNT will not be able to comeback and win. Though there are still plenty of time, less than 9 minutes, but Converge is already leading by double digit now, TNT have to act fast.

Almost, but failed in the last few possessions Converge manage to take their first win, not sure what happened but that's really how the game works, lucky for those who either take the handicap or much better for those who take the ML, that's  sweet win for your gambling, not as many as it can be but there are bettors who loves to take this kind of big risk and hope that manipulation will happen, hahaha, I brough it out again as we all know how struggle Converge from the beginning of the league,,

Beating TNT who we all know have that firepower to dominate but failed that strong rally to snatch the win, congrats to whoever Kabayan who place their bet for Converge ML.

It's surprising that they loss to the Converge who have been struggling this season. Hmm.. I don't trust them anymore, and this is not the first time they loss against a weak team, it seems like this team has not consistency yet, and there's really a missing piece that they need to put in for them to be considered as a championship team.

TNT is really relying so hard on their outside shooting, when it's not falling they'll likely loss.

This game, they attempted 39 and made 13 only, while the converge had only 24 attempts and made 11 of those. With that loss, they are now at rank 6 with 5-5 record while the SMB is still at the top with 10-0 record.

[Finestream]

This game, they attempted 39 and made 13 only, while the converge had only 24 attempts and made 11 of those. With that loss, they are now at rank 6 with 5-5 record while the SMB is still at the top with 10-0 record.

I ask my friend who were able to bet on that game, he said that Converge was +25.5 before the game, imagine that, so that's really a huge upset. Bookies were wrong in this, Converge was even dictating the game as they were leading most of the time and until the end they didn't allow the TNT to comeback.

TNT is still going to be in the playoffs but they are not the same team anymore, they really miss the service of Williams because they don't have a consistent scorer that could also play like a mid range game and could play some good defense as well. I'm not saying they'll sign Williams because it does look impossible, but they can find a player like him.

[Maslate]

This game, they attempted 39 and made 13 only, while the converge had only 24 attempts and made 11 of those. With that loss, they are now at rank 6 with 5-5 record while the SMB is still at the top with 10-0 record.

I ask my friend who were able to bet on that game, he said that Converge was +25.5 before the game, imagine that, so that's really a huge upset. Bookies were wrong in this, Converge was even dictating the game as they were leading most of the time and until the end they didn't allow the TNT to comeback.

So what was the moneyline in that game? That was an easy win for the spread that high, but if someone bet on the moneyline, a big payout will be enjoyed. I like how SMB are playing now, they seemed to be unbeatable and they have been dominating teams, sometimes they don't start srong but suddenly even in just one quarter, they can lead a double digit and they'll be hard to catch up .

TNT is still going to be in the playoffs but they are not the same team anymore, they really miss the service of Williams because they don't have a consistent scorer that could also play like a mid range game and could play some good defense as well. I'm not saying they'll sign Williams because it does look impossible, but they can find a player like him.

At their ranking, yes.. However, they are so vulnerable and I'm afraid they'll be eliminated in the early rounds. Jayson Castro is not the same anymore, he can still play but he is already old and cannot put numbers he usually does easily.

[Fredomago]

This game, they attempted 39 and made 13 only, while the converge had only 24 attempts and made 11 of those. With that loss, they are now at rank 6 with 5-5 record while the SMB is still at the top with 10-0 record.

I ask my friend who were able to bet on that game, he said that Converge was +25.5 before the game, imagine that, so that's really a huge upset. Bookies were wrong in this, Converge was even dictating the game as they were leading most of the time and until the end they didn't allow the TNT to comeback.

TNT is still going to be in the playoffs but they are not the same team anymore, they really miss the service of Williams because they don't have a consistent scorer that could also play like a mid range game and could play some good defense as well. I'm not saying they'll sign Williams because it does look impossible, but they can find a player like him.

They still a playoff contender but compared with the SMC teams there's no way that they can match up though we can't really say or we can't conclude the outcome of the game just like waht happened to them against Converge no one think about that upset and that huge handicap is really something that will give some confidence for those risky gambler to take their chance, and things happened and for sure those who back Converge up are all enjoying especially if there's someone who take them before the game just don't know how high is the odd but with +25.5 I guess it will tells something huge!

[Kelvinid]

This game, they attempted 39 and made 13 only, while the converge had only 24 attempts and made 11 of those. With that loss, they are now at rank 6 with 5-5 record while the SMB is still at the top with 10-0 record.

I ask my friend who were able to bet on that game, he said that Converge was +25.5 before the game, imagine that, so that's really a huge upset. Bookies were wrong in this, Converge was even dictating the game as they were leading most of the time and until the end they didn't allow the TNT to comeback.

TNT is still going to be in the playoffs but they are not the same team anymore, they really miss the service of Williams because they don't have a consistent scorer that could also play like a mid range game and could play some good defense as well. I'm not saying they'll sign Williams because it does look impossible, but they can find a player like him.

They still a playoff contender but compared with the SMC teams there's no way that they can match up though we can't really say or we can't conclude the outcome of the game just like waht happened to them against Converge no one think about that upset and that huge handicap is really something that will give some confidence for those risky gambler to take their chance, and things happened and for sure those who back Converge up are all enjoying especially if there's someone who take them before the game just don't know how high is the odd but with +25.5 I guess it will tells something huge!

Game is won by great defense and offense, it should work together, but with how the TNT are playing now, they seemed to have a big problem with their defense. So there's no way they can beat the top teams now especially the Ginebra and SMB. Judging by the ranking, (https://www.pba.ph/standings) they will likely finish in a twice to beat disadvantage although the competition from number 3 down are very close.