Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[bryant.coleman]

During the first rule of Putin there were talks/negotiations about Belarus joining Russia as a federative state. Interestingly they were initiated by Lukashenko. They didn't lead anywhere, as the conditions presented by Lukashenko were out of line with Russian Constitution.

In a way, I like Lukashenko. He is the kind of a textbook benevolent dictator. His country managed to avoid most of the turmoil that ripped apart an impoverished the remained of the USSR. I have friends in Lithuania, who regularly take trips to Belarus to buy industrial goods.

Not that simple. During the Yeltsin regime, most of the ex-Soviet states wanted to create a successor to the USSR. The CIS was a good initial step. But unfortunately, Yeltsin got bribed by the CIA and he began insulting the Belorussians and the Ukrainians. Yeltsin wanted the Belorussian and Ukrainian provinces added up to Russia, without any autonomy. The Belorussians and Ukrainians wanted a federal structure, which was rejected. Putin also followed the same mistakes.

But looking back to Belarus, it is the only place where the Slavic death rate is moderate. The population is slightly declining, but the death rate is only around 13 per 1,000, which is almost 50% lower than the Central Russian provinces. Also, Lukashenko has severely limited the Muslim immigration. There are only around 5,000 Muslims in the whole of Ukraine. No ethnic mafias, and much lower crime rate compared to Russia.  

[wizby]

on the left - protesters from maidan, o the rigth - pro putin terrorists

[bryant.coleman]

on the left - protesters from maidan, o the rigth - pro putin terrorists

On the left - CIA sponsored nazis from Right Sector. On the right - Ukrainian citizens from Eastern Ukraine, who are fed up with the shameless fascism of the Right Sector and Svoboda.

[wizby]

your point of view is all mixed up what are you doing in this forum if you think that everything from the west is the work of CIA?

[Sithara007]

your point of view is all mixed up what are you doing in this forum if you think that everything from the west is the work of CIA?

Forgot the $5 billion statement from Nuland? BTW... what makes you think that everything from the east is the work of Putin?

[wizby]

Putin’s Russia as a State Sponsor of Terrorism
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism

[wizby]

Head of saboteurs in Slovyansk turned to be Russian special forces officer Strelkov
Pyкoвoдитeлeм дивepcaнтoв в Cлaвянcкe oкaзaлcя oфицep poccийcкoгo cпeцнaзa Cтpeлкoв
http://www.unian.net/politics/908010-rukovoditelem-diversantov-v-slavyanske-okazalsya-ofitser-rossiyskogo-spetsnaza-strelkov-sbu.html

[wizby]

 

http://uainfo.org/yandex/307802-zaschitnik-luganskih-rovenkov-ot-banderovcev-rabotaet-ciryulnikom-v-kieve-video.html

[wizby]

 

[wizby]

Dmitry Tymchuk


Итoги 14 aпpeля нa aнгл.
 (Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine)

 Brothers and sisters,
 Here’s the Summary for April 14, 2014

 The bad news

 1. The extremists are continuing to wreak havoc in eastern Ukraine. The government continues to issue ultimatums but no one reacts to them. It’s the opposite: the extremists started issuing their own ultimatums, as happened in Luhansk today – they demanded that the oblast [regional] authorities do not submit to Kyiv.

 I have talked about this, let me reiterate it once again: nothing provokes violence more than an unwillingness to protect oneself. The more frequently our government issues ultimatums, and then does nothing, the more scepticism their threats will receive. Today’s “suggestion” by Turchynov to conduct a joint anti-terrorism operation with the peacekeeping forces of the UN – is, as a matter of fact, a statement by Ukrainian authorities about their own powerlessness.

 If we hadn’t found out that the very same Turchynov finally signed the decree on the start of anti-terrorist operations (ATO), I would have said: guys, they’re pouring Ukraine down the drain. But not all is lost. At least, we would like to belive in this, although everything is happening with a brutal and criminal delay.

 2. The Kremlin has announced that “there are very many complaints coming from the eastern regions of Ukraine, addressed personally to Putin, asking for help.”

 Everyone perfectly understands what Russian “aid” smells like. Why these statements are being publicized – is understood equally well too.

 In the case of Crimea, Putin has retroactively invented “opinion poll data,” which allegedly showed the desire of Crimean residents to become part of Russia. Saying that is why he started the aggression. Now, Moscow is trying to create an excuse ahead of time for its invasion of the eastern regions.

 3. Information regarding our 25th Separate Airborne Brigade. Today, Russian media reported that the brigade joined the extremists in Sloviansk.

 That’s not true. The brigade did not join anyone’s side.

 The truth is that there were problems with its use in the anti-terrorist operation. Unfortunately, we cannot provide details yet. But it’s not even close to treason.

 4. The Party of Regions called on Ukrainian soldiers to stop following “illegal orders by the current government.”

 I have no words in regards to this statement – only, as people say, spit and filthy language. Following orders, and under the patronage of these nasty hypocrites, “law enforcement personnel” shot unarmed people who stood for democracy under the flags of Ukraine just two months ago on Maidan (and by the way, they rushed headlong to Kyiv to participate as army execution units – Maidan won just in time).

 Now they are broadcasting about “criminal orders” when it comes to Russian aggressors and armed terrorists who are committing extremist acts under the Russian flag.

 In my opinion, until we clean out this evil scum from government offices and parliamentary seats, it is too early to speak about a free Ukraine.

 The good news:

 1. The meeting of the UN Security Council showed that no one believes Russia anymore. At the same time, the EU leaders declared their readiness to adopt new sanctions against Russia next week. The United States announced their readiness to do so on their end, and earlier at that – starting tomorrow.

 The fact of the matter is: Russia became the world’s pariah. Everyone recognized the face of the new Reich. The only question remains, how ready is the world to radically solve the problem named “Putin.”

 2. It’s taken too long and it’s very sad, but nonetheless, special forces units are being deployed to eastern Ukraine.

 I get this impression that [the officials in] Kyiv do not quite understand that the clock is ticking. But even so, the process is underway. And at the moment, they have convened rather impressive forces. The only question is who will coordinate them and how.

 3. However, this question has been answered already: the order regarding the start of an ATO [anti-terrorist operation] has finally been signed. Moreover, Vasyl Krutov has been appointed the First Deputy Head of the SBU and the Head of the Antiterrorism Center at the SBU. He has already been dubbed as “a legend of the ‘Alpha’ special forces” in the media. It is also good to see that the old guard returns alongside Krutov.

 The special forces are confident that this General and his guys will be able to plan and organize a relatively efficient operation. Let’s hope so – because it seems to be the last hope to save the East within Ukraine.

[bryant.coleman]

Putin’s Russia as a State Sponsor of Terrorism
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism

I should have ignored you a lot earlier, as some of the other posters said here. Anyway, now your spamming is getting out of control. And the problem is that I don't have all the time to read your BS. So... unfortunately, I am adding you to my ignore list. 

[qosmio]

Putin’s Russia as a State Sponsor of Terrorism
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism

I should have ignored you a lot earlier, as some of the other posters said here. Anyway, now your spamming is getting out of control. And the problem is that I don't have all the time to read your BS. So... unfortunately, I am adding you to my ignore list.  

me too, dont need to see CIA spammer here,
plain to see who is wrong:
1. who get "not local army" together and occupy other district?
2. every ukrainian should take care of his own house and city no need to travel 200 miles and kill other villagers,
3. freedom for all and dont let rich politicians which are sponsored by the US/NATO tell you what to do.

wizby u are on my ignore list

[Nemo1024]

The Civil War / USA interventionist war has started. Kramotorsk airport fell with 4 killed, reportedly by Blackwater.

[Paya]

On the right - Ukrainian citizens from Eastern Ukraine, who are fed up with the shameless fascism of the Right Sector and Svoboda.

Oh, come on. Do you really believe that those guys weren't equipped by Russians? Just look at them. Those "citizens" have better gear than the average Ukrainian soldier FFS. For example they are wielding AK-74s, while Ukrainians are mostly using old AK-47s.

[Nik1ab]

On the left - CIA sponsored nazis from Right Sector. On the right - Ukrainian citizens from Eastern Ukraine, who are fed up with the shameless fascism of the Right Sector and Svoboda.

Oh, come on. Do you really belive that those guys weren't equipped by Russians? Just look at them. Those "citizens" have better gear than the average Ukrainian soldier FFS. For example they are wielding AK-74s, while Ukrainians are mostly using old AK-47s.

Everyone on this planet can get an AK, they are everywhere. Even African bushmen have them.

[bryant.coleman]

Civilians have formed a human shield in Sloviansk. The Ukrainian army finding that the situation is not as easy as they expected earlier.

[Nemo1024]

One commentator on RT:

brian pfeiffer 15.04.2014 15:26

Sending armor and military against ethnic Russian protesters in east Ukraine is supposed to win their hearts and minds? If anything, it will do just the opposite. Kiev will instill such a hatred of Ukrainians in them that they will get East Ukraine back. What do they expect to do, rule by force? They can't put out a fire by pouring gas on it, the more they try, the bigger the fire will get.

brian pfeiffer 15.04.2014 15:22

Beating up ethnic Russian political challengers, and sending armor and military against protesters... is that the west's idea of democracy at work? I hope everyone does what I have done, I have tweeted Russian authorities , urging them to take action with their military before too many ethnic Russians die. The twitter addresses are (just put the @ sign in front): PutinRF_Eng,
VitaIyChurkin (Russian ambassador to U.N.) , mfa_russia , DRogozin (vice President), GovernmentRF, MedvedevRussiaE

[Paya]

Everyone on this planet can get an AK, they are everywhere. Even African bushmen have them.

Old AK-47, yes, but AK-74M... not so much.

[Nik1ab]

Civilians have formed a human shield in Sloviansk. The Ukrainian army finding that the situation is not as easy as they expected earlier.

Have you already heard that people in Donetsk region have stopped a tank?

[Nemo1024]

Civilians have formed a human shield in Sloviansk. The Ukrainian army finding that the situation is not as easy as they expected earlier.

Have you already heard that people in Donetsk region have stopped a tank?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDcQTBYY4kE