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Catching up on the news... Seems like the three days I was away, were quite turbulent. I see the poll here: http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U0mEKPl_vG9has been extended to include "All Ukraine" and "Presidential Candidates", while Lugansk and Donetsk regions are still heavily for joining RF (65.8% and 62%). In the meantime, this number receded in Harkov region to 49.3%
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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you cannot claim a territory simply because a constitution of one country says so
Ethnic Russians in Ukraine, take a note. Serbs and Croats in Bosnia, you too. they gave all socialist entities that existed in Yugoslavia the right to self-determination There are two major points contained within the Charter of the UN: territorial integrity of sovereign states, and people's self-determination. You can't have both, it's either former or the latter. Problem with the West's approach to Yugoslavian crisis was that it was dishonest and lacked basic consistency. West was constantly jumping from one point to another and back, twisting or overriding international laws and even their own previously established principles. You can't destroy one multinational country under the pretext that every constitutive nation has rights to choose its own path, and in the same time claim that Bosnia, another multinational regional country, must stay united at all costs and use sanctions and military power to keep Bosnian Serbs and Croats -also two constitutive nations- within its borders. Or to tell that all former Yugoslavian republics should keep their borders and to encourage some to crush secessionists (like Croatia was allowed to destroy Serbian rebels, or Macedonia Albanian rebels) and then, only several years later, to embrace rebellion of Albanian ethnic minority in Serbian province of Kosovo and support their secession. This, my friend, is called politics of double standards - notorious Western specialty! It's not possible to achieve fair, long lasting peace like that, by giving everything to one side while taking everything away from another. Reality is black and white only in dumb Hollywood movies.
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April 20, 2014, 07:10:33 PM |
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Catching up on the news... Seems like the three days I was away, were quite turbulent. I see the poll here: http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U0mEKPl_vG9has been extended to include "All Ukraine" and "Presidential Candidates", while Lugansk and Donetsk regions are still heavily for joining RF (65.8% and 62%). In the meantime, this number receded in Harkov region to 49.3% What is the origin of those tolls ? .BY - Belarus ? / Putin the only ally in the world ? Except North Korea for sure ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Let's check Donbass (Eastern Ukraine) source: http://novosti.dn.ua/details/223219/The poll clearly states that only 30.3% of voters in Lugansk region, 27,5 % in Donetsk region, 16.1% in Kharkiv region and 3.5% in Kherson region want to join Russia.
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April 20, 2014, 07:49:12 PM |
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2. No. There is no presence of any Russian soldiers there.Five cents on this. Below is the latest example of FSB dirty work. Russian sources report about shootings in Slavynsk on 04/19, while actual shooting occur on 04/20, then accusing Ukrainian nationalists. https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/1902807_747567265293722_4046491437927351809_n.jpgWhere hell on Earth have you seen peaceful protesters heavily equipped with automatic weapons, anti-tank weapons and russian military uniform ? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27093347 Ukraine unrest: Russian outrage at fatal Sloviansk shooting
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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April 20, 2014, 10:09:38 PM |
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"Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk"... russian language sounds bad as bad things they do
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/russophobia-origin-stereotypes-danger-812/"... is not a fact that it is aimed against russians you know. People like me been a russians of course it's very unpleasant for me to read it and to hear it... I think there is something more dangerous in that, the problem is that russophobia has become the centerpiece of global stupidity, of global absurd that we see in the world today ..."
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April 20, 2014, 10:30:09 PM |
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How much it cost to rent flat in Crimea? Seems like cool place to visit. Sexy girls, sea, parties. Perhaps someone living there can advice me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 21, 2014, 07:50:14 AM |
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Ethnic Russians in Ukraine, take a note. Serbs and Croats in Bosnia, you too.
you can, but it's legitimacy is usually questionable ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are two major points contained within the Charter of the UN: territorial integrity of sovereign states, and people's self-determination. You can't have both, it's either former or the latter. Problem with the West's approach to Yugoslavian crisis was that it was dishonest and lacked basic consistency. West was constantly jumping from one point to another and back, twisting or overriding international laws and even their own previously established principles. You can't destroy one multinational country under the pretext that every constitutive nation has rights to choose its own path, and in the same time claim that Bosnia, another multinational regional country, must stay united at all costs and use sanctions and military power to keep Bosnian Serbs and Croats -also two constitutive nations- within its borders. Or to tell that all former Yugoslavian republics should keep their borders and to encourage some to crush secessionists (like Croatia was allowed to destroy Serbian rebels, or Macedonia Albanian rebels) and then, only several years later, to embrace rebellion of Albanian ethnic minority in Serbian province of Kosovo and support their secession.
This, my friend, is called politics of double standards - notorious Western specialty! It's not possible to achieve fair, long lasting peace like that, by giving everything to one side while taking everything away from another. Reality is black and white only in dumb Hollywood movies.
the Wests approach was to preserve Yugoslavia until Vukovar happened, after that the West leans on the other side, the West doesn't want a new aggresive country to prove everyone that they can go around invading countries and disobeying the rules of warfare ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) it is basically as simple as that, they did support Yugoslavia but when Serbs started the ethnic cleansing the rules changed so it's not actually double standards also two constitutive nations
3 constitutive nations, 2 entities, 1 country some to crush secessionists (like Croatia was allowed to destroy Serbian rebels, or Macedonia Albanian rebels) and then, only several years later, to embrace rebellion of Albanian ethnic minority in Serbian province of Kosovo
for starters, you can simply see war wouldn't stop if the Serbian rebellion wasn't stopped Serb majority areas weren't connected and they were splitting Croatia in 2 parts, by simple means you can see it wouldn't stop there ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Serbs would want to connect with their mother land trough lots of areas with Croat and Muslim majorities and along with Mihailovics plans leaving mayhem behind ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) while Kosovo is even connected to Albania only other reason Serbs lost Kosovo was not double standards, it was aggresion on Croatia and Bosnia&Herzegovina Americans saw Serbia as a new threat to international peace and as Serbs used force earlier they wanted to use it again Westerners simply used them as an example that disobeying them won't be tolerated
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April 21, 2014, 09:55:51 AM |
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Hope things turn out well this time
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April 21, 2014, 10:13:27 AM |
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Hope things turn out well this time
Things like this never turn well. At least not too quickyl after the "revolution" or whwtever this is. And most important , people have died , and no matter the outcome , it will be stained with blood. Humans are idiots sometimes most of the times.
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April 21, 2014, 11:22:19 AM |
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![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) "According to our consulate some 250,000 people came to the meeting in favour of federalisation..." It would be really funny if it weren't be so sad - because this is exactly what Russian state propaganda has become like ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn2%2Ft1.0-9%2F10152476_675901032467678_7275826432950338264_n.jpg&t=665&c=Bl3qDuzBhtEIVA) @Fake_MIDRF Пo дaнным нaшeгo кoнcyльcтвa, нa митинг cтopoнникoв фeдepaлизaции в Xapькoвe пpишли 250 тыcяч чeлoвeк
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April 21, 2014, 12:53:25 PM |
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Kazakh businessman Ermek Taychibekov offers a million rubles for Kolomoysky's head.
Oh... Ihor Kolomoyskyi, the a$$hole who bought up half of the Ukrainian media outlets. Ihor Kolomoysky is fond of buying up mass media outlets. He purchased 3 percent of the shares of the Central European Media Enterprises for $110 million and entered the board of directors of this large international media corporation majority owned by US billionaire Ronald S. Lauder. In Ukraine, this media group controls one of the top television channels, Studio 1+1, as well as Kino and City channels. Kolomoysky also got stronger by buying, from brothers Hryhoriy and Igor Surkis, 50 percent of the shares of TET TV channel.
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April 21, 2014, 01:23:30 PM |
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1. 2,000 arms were distributed in the last week among the unknown number of men who took over the city, its offices, and so on. To speak of Ukrainian right extremists is at least problematic without an in-depth investigation. 2. There are shootings in the city every day. Right now, the city has no police on duty and no other government to control the situation. The local residents do not go outside after darkness. 3. Local residents report that, indeed, there was a shooting in one of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of the city and that it was a standoff of two criminal gangs. Based on varying reports, 6 or even 10-12 people were delivered to hospitals for emergency treatment, but many of them refused hospitalization and left. Local sources argue that some of them were "little green men" and gangsters. 4. Based on the fact that Russian media had reporters immediately at the scene, it is not too far of a stretch to assume that this could have been a staged shooting to incite fear and panic, and to show that there is chaos in the region as to justify a possible Russian invasion. [Editors note: The first source to report on this was the notorious Dmitriy Kiselev, famous for his manipulation of facts and warmongering propaganda on Russian TV.] Or just to upset the holiday for us." http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/21/russian-media-distorts-again-3-6-killed-in-a-sloviansk-shootout-and-as-usual-the-right-sector-is-the-culprit/
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April 21, 2014, 02:41:38 PM |
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April 21, 2014, 03:27:23 PM |
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Smear campaign by Kiev: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/20/4071068/mystery-of-ukraines-anti-semitic.htmlThe words stunned Jewish residents of the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on the first night of Passover, when masked men carrying a Russian flag started handing out sheets with the chilling announcement to community members as they left the synagogue. “Evasion of registration,” it warned, “will result in revocation of citizenship and . . . confiscation of property.”
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April 21, 2014, 05:17:06 PM |
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Jew York Times? No. Thanks.
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