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February 25, 2016, 03:38:14 AM |
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So how about promoting TRUE decentralization by allowing individuals to purchase 1 miner or have a miner that doesn't need a nuclear power plant to power it.
At this point I think Spondoolies are doing everything they can just to make a miner - big small or ugly. |
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February 25, 2016, 06:58:45 AM |
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I think that is actually the abbreviated conversation between you two. Honestly I could care less what your stance is on Toomins proposal or anyone else's for that matter. I am really more interested in miners for people without $500,000 laying around and promoting decentralization of Bitcoin. IMHO, if big corporations didn't have huge chunks of the hash power we wouldn't have all of these problems. I for one do not want ANY person or ANY company deciding the fate of Bitcoin. If all those people trying to push their agendas were sincere if would be different but the reality is that most of them are not. So how about promoting TRUE decentralization by allowing individuals to purchase 1 miner or have a miner that doesn't need a nuclear power plant to power it. Cheers Read between the lines...if SPtech wants POS or POW,I see that as they can't make mining machines & don't want others (corporations) to mine either  |
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February 25, 2016, 02:27:59 PM |
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February 25, 2016, 07:20:27 PM |
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Mainly, Core needs to replace its PoW function, preferably to a function which make any effort to create ASIC for it economically nonviable. Guy is pushing for a change of PoW algorithms to be essentially GPU-only (that dynamically change every ~12K blocks as well as a phase-in and phase-out from previous and next functions on each end) in case the hard-fork of Classic takes place. This would prevent any kind of ASIC development from taking place on Core chain, and act as a defense against 51% attacks from the Classic chain. The real solution is to simply not allow Classic to take place. Nothing about PoS that I read in that post anyways. Ask yourself this, why would Guy Corem be pushing for a defensive GPU-only PoW system that would essentially end the hardware development by his company, unless he truly believed it was necessary for Bitcoin's survival? I sincerely do not believe it to be out of spite. |
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February 25, 2016, 07:41:32 PM |
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Ask yourself this, why would Guy Corem be pushing for a defensive GPU-only PoW system that would essentially end the hardware development by his company, unless he truly believed it was necessary for Bitcoin's survival? I sincerely do not believe it to be out of spite.
Because his 'company' is already dead? |
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February 25, 2016, 08:02:25 PM |
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Mainly, Core needs to replace its PoW function, preferably to a function which make any effort to create ASIC for it economically nonviable. Guy is pushing for a change of PoW algorithms to be essentially GPU-only (that dynamically change every ~12K blocks as well as a phase-in and phase-out from previous and next functions on each end) in case the hard-fork of Classic takes place. This would prevent any kind of ASIC development from taking place on Core chain, and act as a defense against 51% attacks from the Classic chain. The real solution is to simply not allow Classic to take place. Nothing about PoS that I read in that post anyways. Ask yourself this, why would Guy Corem be pushing for a defensive GPU-only PoW system that would essentially end the hardware development by his company, unless he truly believed it was necessary for Bitcoin's survival? I sincerely do not believe it to be out of spite. ... "In the event that the Classic activation threshold is not met, Core should remain with its current PoW algorithm. As the older members of our community may remember, when faced with Global Thermonuclear War, “the only winning move is not to play”; a GPU only PoW hard-fork is Bitcoin’s response to a politically driven consensus break, and should the hostile hard-fork not gain traction, we do not need the self-defensive one, either. Miners and pool operators, friends and partners, I urge you to rescind support for this hostile political takeover and keep Bitcoin growing within its existing consensus-based governance." https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.42ij4wg8f |
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February 25, 2016, 08:03:58 PM |
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So how about promoting TRUE decentralization by allowing individuals to purchase 1 miner or have a miner that doesn't need a nuclear power plant to power it.
Cheers
It seems that you are constantly lurking the Hardware forums now. Welcome! What's the purpose of your attacks? You are complaining about decentralization on a mining manufacturer's thread that isn't currently selling anything. You are either stupid or with an agenda. This is how things work around here and it seems that you fit perfectly in our small degenerated community. |
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February 25, 2016, 08:10:22 PM |
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Ask yourself this, why would Guy Corem be pushing for a defensive GPU-only PoW system that would essentially end the hardware development by his company, unless he truly believed it was necessary for Bitcoin's survival? I sincerely do not believe it to be out of spite.
Because his 'company' is already dead? Speculation is a very dangerous game to play. I am pretty sure that Mr. Corem and his development team have much better things to do than discuss their company plans with a bunch of people who clearly have way too much time on their hands. The Spondoolies team have earned their spurs the hard way by having to go to work every day and spending years developing their skills and abilities. They produced by far the best and most professional equipment ever seen in mining and I don't believe for one minute that they have been sitting on their hands for the past year, what they have been doing is none of your business unless they want you to know it. So why not ty to devote your time to something a little more useful, perhaps like getting a real job and doing some useful work? Maybe even study for a proper engineering qualification? It's hard work but well worth it in the end - you don't have to constantly consult Wikipedia and sift through the deluge of misinformation on the web. |
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February 25, 2016, 08:39:42 PM |
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Because his 'company' is already dead?
So what is his motive then? Why doesn't he just walk away from Bitcoin and focus on something new? That doesn't make sense. |
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February 25, 2016, 08:46:17 PM |
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Because his 'company' is already dead?
So what is his motive then? Why doesn't he just walk away from Bitcoin and focus on something new? That doesn't make sense. He's somehow managed to keep himself relevant. Maybe it's because he mentally broke one of the Toomims. https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/bigger-blocks-discussion-jonathan-toomin-guy-corem-t5080.html |
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February 25, 2016, 08:46:39 PM |
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So what is his motive then? Why doesn't he just walk away from Bitcoin and focus on something new? That doesn't make sense.
In my opinion, they'll be wound up soon enough. Trading while insolvent with no hopes of recovery will just get the directors in more trouble than they already are. He doesn't move out because that also requires money. I am pretty sure that Mr. Corem and his development team have much better things to do than discuss their company plans with a bunch of people who clearly have way too much time on their hands.
SEC filings tell us all we need to know. They produced ... equipment
Note the tense what they have been doing is none of your business unless they want you to know it.
It is absolutely my business, I am their creditor. perhaps like getting a real job
Have one, thanks. Maybe even study for a proper engineering qualification?
Have one, thanks. |
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February 25, 2016, 09:16:14 PM |
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So what is his motive then? Why doesn't he just walk away from Bitcoin and focus on something new? That doesn't make sense.
In my opinion, they'll be wound up soon enough. Trading while insolvent with no hopes of recovery will just get the directors in more trouble than they already are. He doesn't move out because that also requires money. I am pretty sure that Mr. Corem and his development team have much better things to do than discuss their company plans with a bunch of people who clearly have way too much time on their hands.
SEC filings tell us all we need to know. They produced ... equipment
Note the tense what they have been doing is none of your business unless they want you to know it.
It is absolutely my business, I am their creditor. perhaps like getting a real job
Have one, thanks. Maybe even study for a proper engineering qualification?
Have one, thanks. I actually wasn't directing my comments specifically at you Adam, but I guess they must have struck a nerve somewhere, eh? |
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February 25, 2016, 09:18:28 PM |
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Because his 'company' is already dead?
So what is his motive then? Why doesn't he just walk away from Bitcoin and focus on something new? That doesn't make sense. I think motive is hardware is not being released. It's been a LONG time since any info on SP50 all we ever got was a rendering. Now we a thread filled with non hardware items. I still stand by instead of this turning into a news/meet up thread. Seeing hardware would be great. |
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February 25, 2016, 09:31:16 PM |
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It is absolutely my business, I am their creditor.
This made me LOL. Have one, thanks. Loansharking? I hope you are charging them a fair interest rate. I didn't catch this before, but this seems strange: 1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:35:17:As i said, 1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:35:24:I embrace and happy about Classic 1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:35:51:I think that in the long term, it will be good to Bitcoin to have several competing chains 1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:35:56:And governance models https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/bigger-blocks-discussion-jonathan-toomin-guy-corem-t5080.htmlIn contrast with this 3 days later: |
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February 25, 2016, 10:10:31 PM |
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February 25, 2016, 11:04:40 PM |
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Such a shame ... at one time you had a voice on this forum Guy, but now all you quote are URLs. Time and time again. zzzz ... |
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February 25, 2016, 11:33:29 PM |
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I switched back to Core too support and I'm proud of it! |
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February 26, 2016, 03:59:30 AM
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I actually wasn't directing my comments specifically at you
You clearly were, you quoted my reply, to replied to elements of it, you used to "you" repeatedly. |
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February 26, 2016, 07:09:45 AM |
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I actually wasn't directing my comments specifically at you Adam
You clearly were, you quoted my reply, to replied to elements of it, you used to "you" repeatedly. So as well as you poor grasp of electronics you also don't understand that 'you' can apply to a group as well as an individual? I just quote your post in it's entirety as I couldn't be bothered editing out lots of bits. How are you a 'creditor' - did you loan them money or are do they owe you goods that you paid for? Unless you are a shareholder, an entirely different thing to a creditor, then you don't have a say in how the company is run. The only exception to this would be where the company is in adminstration but even then it's the liquidator that calls the shots 99% of the time. Anyone reading your recent posts might conclude that there is something very personal going on here between you and Spondoolies/Guy - did you perchance ask them for an 'evaluation' SP50 and they said no? |
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