🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈

[DireWolfM14]

A seperate one from this? Thought it would fit in this thread aswell but you might be right. Could gain a bit attention with an own thread.
Will collect all the infos I have and will put it in a new discussion if you like this idea?

This thread is for the discussion of the game known as American Football.  It doesn't matter where the game is played, what league we discuss, or which language is spoken by the announcers.  It's all about FOOTBALL.  Any discussion of the game is on-topic, feel free discuss the European League, the Canadian League, and my personal favorite off-season football league the Mexican Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional.

[Hueristic]

Ok, so what's next? Draft picks? Kinda boring and random at the same time.

Most hated time of the year started this week.


But I must say that I am excited for the ELF, the European League of Football, which has been announced.
I am curious how high the level will be there. In the first season, 6 teams from Germany, one from Poland and a Spanish team will play against each other.

Maybe the league will gain some attention and allow some players to live from football here, which is not possible and does not promote the sport.
I think just that could possibly be the right step to get this sport bigger in Europe.
The games will also be broadcasted on the german television.

Start a thread.

A seperate one from this? Thought it would fit in this thread aswell but you might be right. Could gain a bit attention with an own thread.
Will collect all the infos I have and will put it in a new discussion if you like this idea?

Your choice, I'd be interested in the info either way but I would think a separate thread would make it easier to follow discussions from different leagues.

I'd like to see a primer/synopsis of this European league. I had no clue it was actually ready to go as I've heard scuttlebutt about it for the last few decades. I hope its not controlled by the NFL.

[seek3r]

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Your choice, I'd be interested in the info either way but I would think a separate thread would make it easier to follow discussions from different leagues.

I'd like to see a primer/synopsis of this European league. I had no clue it was actually ready to go as I've heard scuttlebutt about it for the last few decades. I hope its not controlled by the NFL.

No, it is fortunately not controlled or managed by the NFL.
The commissioner of the league is Patrick Esume.

Currently, he mainly comments on NFL games for German television, but he has already gained a lot of experience as a player and as a coach (also in the NFL).

I think that for the beginning I will just post all news regarding the ELF here.
If then it is not responded to or me to the topic will talk here alone, I will then just look whether it is due to lack of interest or that the posts here simply sink.

[Hueristic]

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Your choice, I'd be interested in the info either way but I would think a separate thread would make it easier to follow discussions from different leagues.

I'd like to see a primer/synopsis of this European league. I had no clue it was actually ready to go as I've heard scuttlebutt about it for the last few decades. I hope its not controlled by the NFL.

No, it is fortunately not controlled or managed by the NFL.
The commissioner of the league is Patrick Esume.

Currently, he mainly comments on NFL games for German television, but he has already gained a lot of experience as a player and as a coach (also in the NFL).

I think that for the beginning I will just post all news regarding the ELF here.
If then it is not responded to or me to the topic will talk here alone, I will then just look whether it is due to lack of interest or that the posts here simply sink.

So fill us in on when it starts, if there will be cross games with nfl will it run opposite xfl?  What are the details and the financing?

[morvillz7z]

While we are talking about EFL and XFL, did anyone watch the opening week of FCF (Fan Controlled Football) yesterday?

Not sure if this qualifies as football but apparently it's a thing, some sort of backyard football with weird rules and stuff.

They play 7 vs 7 on a 50-yard field, there's draft every week and only 4 teams, fans can vote on plays being called, there are bodycams, etc.

Here's FCF explained, their official website, and highlights from the Beasts vs. Zappers game (check out the opening drive). 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fan-controlled-football-teams-schedule-players/g9gj6s5j1ume1gv0pp4ayusyd
https://www.fcf.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNgNxUovwc

Week 2 is next Saturday, not sure how and where you can watch the games though...probably worth checking if you are super drunk and need something to watch while you pass out.

[Hueristic]

While we are talking about EFL and XFL, did anyone watch the opening week of FCF (Fan Controlled Football) yesterday?

Not sure if this qualifies as football but apparently it's a thing, some sort of backyard football with weird rules and stuff.

They play 7 vs 7 on a 50-yard field, there's draft every week and only 4 teams, fans can vote on plays being called, there are bodycams, etc.

Here's FCF explained, their official website, and highlights from the Beasts vs. Zappers game (check out the opening drive). 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fan-controlled-football-teams-schedule-players/g9gj6s5j1ume1gv0pp4ayusyd
https://www.fcf.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNgNxUovwc

Week 2 is next Saturday, not sure how and where you can watch the games though...probably worth checking if you are super drunk and need something to watch while you pass out.

Watched it, looks like flag football to me.
Big Pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNgNxUovwc

[PixxelDesign]

Can't wait for the start of the new season of NFL. I have an empty feeling inside me when I can't watch these guys playing every week. I spent my christmas night watching football as well this year 

[seek3r]

Lol, dont know what I should think about the FCF :-D Had to laugh when I saw Johnny Football at the beginning.
And wtf is their version of the extra point? 1vs1 and no pressure on the QB?  

[suchmoon]

And wtf is their version of the extra point? 1vs1 and no pressure on the QB?  

QB has a time limit to throw - 3 seconds for a 2 point conversion (from the 5 yard line) and 5 seconds for 1 point (from 10 yards). I feel like I know too much about this already, not a good sign.

not sure how and where you can watch the games though...

I think it's on twitch, which is a...

Big Pass.

for me too LOL

[South Park]

Carson Wentz has been traded to the Colts for a third and a conditional second that could turn into a first, the move seems reasonable and to me is a win-win for everyone involved, the Eagles needed to get rid of Wentz as it was obvious the player was not happy there, its contract was too big and the fans loved more the backup that brought them a SB win, the Colts on the other hand needed a QB, with Rivers retirement they only had Brissett which was not good enough if we compare him to the rest of the roster, the Colts are a good team and they have a lot of cap space so they are hoping to reignite the career of Wentz, and for Wentz this is the perfect spot to land, he is in a playoff team with a coach that knows him and that got the most out of his skill set when he was with the Eagles.

Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-trade-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-2021-third-round-pick-possible-2022-first-rounder/

[suchmoon]

Carson Wentz has been traded to the Colts for a third and a conditional second that could turn into a first

That sounds a bit cheap, doesn't it? Although I haven't really followed Wentz lately, must have deteriorated since 2017. But then why would Colts take on his massive (IIRC) contract.

Also who's gonna be Eagles QB now? Hurts, whom they benched during the WFT game for some inexplicable reason... or the guy they replaced him with, whose name I can't even recall or be bothered to look up. Hard to believe Eagles won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago.

[seek3r]

Carson Wentz has been traded to the Colts for a third and a conditional second that could turn into a first

That sounds a bit cheap, doesn't it? Although I haven't really followed Wentz lately, must have deteriorated since 2017. But then why would Colts take on his massive (IIRC) contract.

Also who's gonna be Eagles QB now? Hurts, whom they benched during the WFT game for some inexplicable reason... or the guy they replaced him with, whose name I can't even recall or be bothered to look up. Hard to believe Eagles won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago.

Right now I would say that the Eagles will go with their rookie Jalen Hurts who was also trusted at the end of the last regular season.
If I remember right he was their 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft.

But I think it was the best decision for both sides. Through his injuries has never really been on the radar and has not really felt comfortable with the franchise.

[South Park]

That sounds a bit cheap, doesn't it? Although I haven't really followed Wentz lately, must have deteriorated since 2017.

It was cheap but there are many circumstances that damaged what the Eagles could get out of Wentz.

Injuries
Drop on his performance.
Nick Foles won the SB and not him.
The locker room does not seem to like him.
Big contract.
Was benched for the last 4 games of the past season.

So when we take this into account the Eagles got a third and most likely a first for a backup, which is not that bad at all.

But then why would Colts take on his massive (IIRC) contract.

The Colts have the cap space to take Wentz and they desperately need a QB, Frank Reich the Colts HC was his OC in the Eagles when he was playing his best football so it seems he thinks he can get Wentz back to his previous form, if he is right then paying a third and a low first for a franchise QB is a great deal so it seems they thought it was worth the risk.

Also who's gonna be Eagles QB now? Hurts, whom they benched during the WFT game for some inexplicable reason... or the guy they replaced him with, whose name I can't even recall or be bothered to look up. Hard to believe Eagles won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago.

So far it seems Hurts is the starting QB for the Eagles but they have the sixth pick on the draft, unfortunately for them I think the Jaguars, Jets and Falcons will pick a QB which means they will have to overreach and either pick Lance or Jones or simply try to make the best they can with Hurts and if does not work then tank, after all it is not as if they are afraid to openly tank as the last game of the regular season exemplified when they benched Hurts.

[DireWolfM14]

I think Carsen Wentz is the real winner here.  He's better off not on the Eagles roster, in my opinion.  He has strong arm, among the strongest in the league, but not one team can win games with nothing but a strong arm.  He needs to be in a system that understands it's not all up to the quarterback to win games.  I'd like to see Wentz succeed, I think he has the talent and intellect to be one of the greats.

The Eagles get to absolve themselves of his contract, so they're in a better place too.  What are they going to do?  There's plenty of time to decide.  The official league season doesn't start until March 17, and as far as I know, no trades can be made official until then.  A lot of teams are still holding their trade interests close to the vest, which makes sense if they're unsure or waiting for the right deal.

[wheelz1200]

I think Carsen Wentz is the real winner here.  He's better off not on the Eagles roster, in my opinion.  He has strong arm, among the strongest in the league, but not one team can win games with nothing but a strong arm.  He needs to be in a system that understands it's not all up to the quarterback to win games.  I'd like to see Wentz succeed, I think he has the talent and intellect to be one of the greats.

The Eagles get to absolve themselves of his contract, so they're in a better place too.  What are they going to do?  There's plenty of time to decide.  The official league season doesn't start until March 17, and as far as I know, no trades can be made official until then.  A lot of teams are still holding their trade interests close to the vest, which makes sense if they're unsure or waiting for the right deal.

Eagles did him wrong but I think he is in a better situation in indy.  Philly is a mess on the offensive line so hurts is better suited to play behind them.  And with indys running game he will not have to be the only option.  Either way I'm rooting for the guy even as a Giant fan.

[South Park]

I think Carsen Wentz is the real winner here.  He's better off not on the Eagles roster, in my opinion.  He has strong arm, among the strongest in the league, but not one team can win games with nothing but a strong arm.  He needs to be in a system that understands it's not all up to the quarterback to win games.  I'd like to see Wentz succeed, I think he has the talent and intellect to be one of the greats.

While true at the same time he is going to get a lot of pressure to perform, I think it is widely agreed he landed on the perfect spot for him, if Wentz happens to underperfom then this could be his last chance as a starting QB for some time as the rest of the teams will probably think that if Wentz cannot succeed under the best possible conditions then they have no chance of rescuing his career, for the record I think he will do well but the pressure on him to perform will be real.

DireWolfM14 just a question, the new league year is about to begin on March 17 so what will you do with this thread? nutildah closed the first thread after the SB, will you do the same and open a new one or will you allow this thread to keep going?

[DireWolfM14]

DireWolfM14 just a question, the new league year is about to begin on March 17 so what will you do with this thread? nutildah closed the first thread after the SB, will you do the same and open a new one or will you allow this thread to keep going?

I intended this thread as a spammegathread an ongoing discussion of the game football, not necessarily tied to the NFL or it's seasons.  If someone wants to start a new thread specific to the new NFL season that would be great, but I don't see a need to close this thread.

[Hueristic]

I think a new non legendary member should start the new thread for the next season.

I nominate South Park.

[South Park]

I think a new non legendary member should start the new thread for the next season.

I nominate South Park.

You flatter me, but the reason I asked the question was because this thread was created hours after the last thread ran its course and while many found the thread immediately it took some users months to find it back, now some of that delay can be attributed to a lesser interest in the off-season but I think the majority of that delay can be attributed to the fact some users did not knew a new thread was created.

So the activity will once again go down if a new thread were to be created and this one was closed, but since this thread is going to continue then it does not seem to make a lot of sense to open a new one when the number of football fans is so low at the forum.

[seek3r]

Since it has become a bit quiet here I would like to ask you what your guesses about JJ Watts new team are.
I like his tweets with his "hints" because people really play through all possible scenarios.

Would love to see him at the steelers with his two brothers but it is very unlikely..