The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread

[Joca97]

Finally, this cup is over.

France won and congratulation to them but this trophy does mean anything at all?

For the game between Italy and Belgium we got one more confirmation, Chiesa is the beast and already an over 100m€ player.

Can Juventus keep him next year?

I couldn't even keep up with the tournament. It was boring for me from the start so I was only here on occasional basis to see how it's going. Well, I'm glad it's finally over so players won't incur unnecessary injuries from the tournament. Congrats to France on their win. This should act as a consolation to them for their Euro 2020 exit a couple of months back.

I got to know of Chiesa last season during Juve vs Milan game at the time and he hasn't disappointed me thus far. He might not stay there for long as teams would start seeking his signatures.

Well the tournament is just for UEFA to make more money and to fill up more games into this rough schedule. Chiesa is a beast and needs now to show at a club level that he is a big player like he does for Italy. What a goal by Benzema as well,probobly one of the best players in the world in the last 2-3 years.

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[lixer]

the tournament is just for UEFA to make more money and to fill up more games into this rough schedule. Chiesa is a beast and needs now to show at a club level that he is a big player like he does for Italy. What a goal by Benzema as well,probobly one of the best players in the world in the last 2-3 years.

UEFA is already one of the richest sports body in world, but their greediness is not going to end, so they have these bore tournaments bringing some more Europe in their pocket. About Chiesa is doing good and now after Juventus main players away from game due to injuries now he is doing very good for his club Allegri if one of best coaches in world also know how to use youngster like Chiesa I am feeling in coming years he could be much better and quality player.

But, hopefully he could be not underrated like Benzema because he is also one of the best players but sadly underrated for long time.

[AndySt]

the tournament is just for UEFA to make more money and to fill up more games into this rough schedule. Chiesa is a beast and needs now to show at a club level that he is a big player like he does for Italy. What a goal by Benzema as well,probobly one of the best players in the world in the last 2-3 years.

UEFA is already one of the richest sports body in world, but their greediness is not going to end, so they have these bore tournaments bringing some more Europe in their pocket. About Chiesa is doing good and now after Juventus main players away from game due to injuries now he is doing very good for his club Allegri if one of best coaches in world also know how to use youngster like Chiesa I am feeling in coming years he could be much better and quality player.
But, hopefully he could be not underrated like Benzema because he is also one of the best players but sadly underrated for long time.

I wouldn't call this tournament boring, but the final four of the League of Nations in general turned out to be exciting and gave a lot of bright emotions to the spectators and fans of the tournament. Another question is that due to the shifted deadlines due to the pandemic of the timing of the European Championship, the main focus was still directed specifically at Euro2020. It's hard for me to blame UEFA for wanting to earn more money instead of holding boring friendly matches, especially since this earned money goes to national federations, unlike selfish projects like the Super League. Benzema really deserves only praise in his address, because winning the League of Nations is largely his merit.

[cryptofrka]

Agreed, it was a good Final four. The 1st one won by Portugal 2 years ago was way more boring and with a lot more experimenting from the teams included.

This year all the teams came to the final tournament with the strongest teams and there was some really good football being played. I still think that this competition is not necessary because it will give players no time to rest at all but I plan to enjoy in good football while it lasts

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Indeed this technique has been around for a long time before VAR this is just my assumption and the goal looked very offside because Mbappe was in front and behind the Spaniard so this is just an assumption a lot of people I see in the conversation above.

Yes, but it was used different than VAR. It was used by television/ telecommunication companies and don't support referee or affect their decisions. VAR is different because it is used officially in matches. It supports referee and can be part of factors that change initial decision of referee.

About the referee having other reasons for accepting the goal I don't know, and maybe the VAR team has confirmed to the referee that it was a valid goal and there is no need to point to the VAR screen.
But what I saw was offside.

I don't know too but from the slow motion video, I can not find any reason that they (referees) should accept that goal.

[CryptocurencyKing]

For the people who placed a bet on France, I would like to say "Congrats!".    Spain's scoring first must be frightening for you but France did the same thing that they did to Belgium in the semi final game and turned the game around. Mbappe had a big role in both of the goals. After France brought the score to 2-1, the rate of excitement increased much more than before. But France were really successful about preventing another goal from Spain and they became victorious by 2-1.

I like this France team a lot. look at them falling two goals short to Belgium and still managed to grip a win. I was expecting the absence of some first team players in the midfield to cause an issue for Deschamps, but he managed to introduce Tchouameni into the midfield is something abnormal. Spain played a lot better than France . They created better chances than France they just couldn't finish and that came back to bite them, but overall good game from both sides especially Spain. Hugo Lloris did very well on that France poles. Kylian  Mbappe had a good game too. France is the moving train. Winning mentality is what differentiate between them and rest of the teams.

[KTChampions]

What Eric Garcia should've done according to the rule book.
https://i.imgur.com/2DcDA2O.jpg
https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1447500347824427012?s=20

lol at the pic. As I pointed out in my previous post it is a controversial situation and it will sink much ink in media. Some old referees backed the decision of being a legit goal since Garcia touched the ball and others confirmed it should be counted offside.
Not sure what's wrong with soccer, can't they make a clear guide about different and possible situations? Even a couple of old referees can't agree on one thing?

If the rules are clear and unambiguously interpreted, then how can corrupt officials do their business?  I don’t think there was any murky background in this particular match, but in general the current state of affairs fully satisfies the officials and I see no reason why this will change.
Do you remember how long and painfully VAR was injected? When it was already clear to the most backward people that football was degrading relative to other sports (for example, in tennis, with the help of technology, they had long learned to determine the position of the ball with millimeter precision), UEFA and FIFA officials were saying some nonsense about the tradition of "mistakes are part of football."

[hahay]

For the people who placed a bet on France, I would like to say "Congrats!".    Spain's scoring first must be frightening for you but France did the same thing that they did to Belgium in the semi final game and turned the game around. Mbappe had a big role in both of the goals. After France brought the score to 2-1, the rate of excitement increased much more than before. But France were really successful about preventing another goal from Spain and they became victorious by 2-1.

I like this France team a lot. look at them falling two goals short to Belgium and still managed to grip a win. I was expecting the absence of some first team players in the midfield to cause an issue for Deschamps, but he managed to introduce Tchouameni into the midfield is something abnormal. Spain played a lot better than France . They created better chances than France they just couldn't finish and that came back to bite them, but overall good game from both sides especially Spain. Hugo Lloris did very well on that France poles. Kylian  Mbappe had a good game too. France is the moving train. Winning mentality is what differentiate between them and rest of the teams.

That's right, I'm personally not too surprised by the result because in my view Spain haven't looked good even from yesterday's Euros. But with Spain getting to the final by beating Italy that's great too, this 2-1 result is also basically still a good result, but since it's a final it definitely has a very different impact. There are many more tournaments in the future and these teams will certainly continue to improve over time and yes, I'm sure there will be big changes for Spain as well in other upcoming tournaments.

[slaman29]

Agreed, it was a good Final four. The 1st one won by Portugal 2 years ago was way more boring and with a lot more experimenting from the teams included.

This year all the teams came to the final tournament with the strongest teams and there was some really good football being played. I still think that this competition is not necessary because it will give players no time to rest at all but I plan to enjoy in good football while it lasts

I didn't even realize it had come actually, to be honest. 2 whole years went by and I honestly didn't feel it. But yes, at least we really got a nice game out of the last 4 matches of this. Proof I guess for UEFA that this wasn't necessarily a boring tournament for everyone. I just worry about the players at the end though, and you know even Lloris though winning his first trophy, he said players health needs to be cared for more than money.

[CryptocurencyKing]

What Eric Garcia should've done according to the rule book.
https://i.imgur.com/2DcDA2O.jpg
https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1447500347824427012?s=20

lol at the pic. As I pointed out in my previous post it is a controversial situation and it will sink much ink in media. Some old referees backed the decision of being a legit goal since Garcia touched the ball and others confirmed it should be counted offside.
Not sure what's wrong with soccer, can't they make a clear guide about different and possible situations? Even a couple of old referees can't agree on one thing?

If the rules are clear and unambiguously interpreted, then how can corrupt officials do their business?  I don’t think there was any murky background in this particular match, but in general the current state of affairs fully satisfies the officials and I see no reason why this will change.
Do you remember how long and painfully VAR was injected? When it was already clear to the most backward people that football was degrading relative to other sports (for example, in tennis, with the help of technology, they had long learned to determine the position of the ball with millimeter precision), UEFA and FIFA officials were saying some nonsense about the tradition of "mistakes are part of football."

As it stands, the rules currently state that 'a player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. It's very impossible that refereeing decisions will never leave everyone pleased. We are aware that a lot of things have changed over the years, but others haven't. The introduction of VAR has changed the decision-making process. Mbappe was behind Eric Garcia but isn't deemed to have interfered with play. Eric Garcia could have let the ball go straight to Mbappe, then he would have been flagged up as offside. Summary for everything is that it is offside based on offside rule. But now the problem is that, that particular rule is shit in respect to that Gracia condition.

[KTChampions]

If the rules are clear and unambiguously interpreted, then how can corrupt officials do their business?   I don’t think there was any murky background in this particular match, but in general the current state of affairs fully satisfies the officials and I see no reason why this will change.
Do you remember how long and painfully VAR was injected? When it was already clear to the most backward people that football was degrading relative to other sports (for example, in tennis, with the help of technology, they had long learned to determine the position of the ball with millimeter precision), UEFA and FIFA officials were saying some nonsense about the tradition of "mistakes are part of football."

As it stands, the rules currently state that 'a player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. [1] It's very impossible that refereeing decisions will never leave everyone pleased. We are aware that a lot of things have changed over the years, but others haven't. The introduction of VAR has changed the decision-making process. Mbappe was behind Eric Garcia but isn't deemed to have interfered with play. Eric Garcia could have let the ball go straight to Mbappe, then he would have been flagged up as offside. [2] Summary for everything is that it is offside based on offside rule. [3] But now the problem is that, that particular rule is shit in respect to that Gracia condition.

1.) The question of interpretation of the concept of "playing the ball" is important here. If by this we mean touching the ball, then any pass with a ricochet from the opponent to the out-of-play position should be considered as a normal occurrence, right? This is how I see how the football of the future: defenders dodge the ball so that the out-of-game rule would work, and those who give a pass specifically try to hit the defender by kicking the ball towards the attacker who is just standing in the center of the penalty area and waiting the ball. Nice!  
2.) It turns out the picture that I posted in the previous message is completely correct? And everything's good?
3.) I think that it was not the execution of the rule that took place here, but the error of the judge based on a perverse interpretation of the rule.

[asus09]

France success become the champion and The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 become first trophy Karim Benzema for his country after few years miss from France team, so glad because on the final Karim Benzema success made one goal and give contribution assist for second controversial goal made by Mbappe, how ever I am not really like with Spain right now because they not use Real Madrid player when Luis Enrique become manager.

[laurenB7742]

how ever I am not really like with Spain right now because they not use Real Madrid player when Luis Enrique become manager.

I can't agree with you. It is true that no Real Madrid player has been named in the squad since Luis Enrique became the coach. But he has its full freedom. He did not take them to the team because the Real Madrid players did not seem worthy of him for the Spanish team's future. We can say that he has left out an experienced player like Ramos. I think this is the right decision. Ramos is now 35 years old. Although he is experienced, if he performs now, he will easily get injured. Don't forget that Ramos has yet to return to the field this season due to injury. Moreover, Enrique is able to perform well enough with the young team of Spain.

[AakZaki]

If there was no VAR, there might be more goals from hand God, but VAR still continues to reap controversy due to Mbappe's goal in the last goal, some feel disadvantaged because VAR and the referee made the wrong decision, because in the broadcast it appears that Mbappe looks offside.
After all VAR has become a part of football that has bug problems but in this case the mistakes are bound to happen again

I think Var is just a tool, the decision is entirely up to the referee. Sometimes the referee is also wrong in making decisions. I think it's only natural that it doesn't repeat itself. Because var technology is sometimes also difficult to analyze because of different views. But sometimes it's these mistakes that make the game more interesting. So I think football will be really uninteresting if all the faults are found. There will be no news or football commentators. Because at this time football is not only purely a sport but there is also entertainment.

[CryptocurencyKing]

~snipe~

Like i said earlier,  Eric Garcia could have let the ball go straight to Mbappe, then he would have been flagged up as offside. Most experience defenders are aware of some mistakes that can cost the team. We all know Mbappe was offside before receiving the breakaway pass  and he certainly appeared to be at first sight but Eric Garcia's touch of the ball as he tried to make a last-ditch interception was enough to put the attacker onside. He must have tried to intercept the ball and lose control of it. That is where the "playing the ball" comes in. His attempt to intercept was deliberate and created a new phase of play. If he was hit by a shot on goal and Mbappe had scored, then it could have been an offside.

[Woodie]

Finland just had a dance with Kazakhstan and it was a solid performance for the finish who got two goals courtesy of Pukki who goes in his countries record books of the most international goals . Kazakhstan did try their level best really who played against a well disciplined side when it came to defensive duties and gave no goal scoring chances to the hosts, and with that result their hopes for world cup qualification are over.

[KTChampions]

1.) The question of interpretation of the concept of "playing the ball" is important here. If by this we mean touching the ball, then any pass with a ricochet from the opponent to the out-of-play position should be considered as a normal occurrence, right? This is how I see how the football of the future: defenders dodge the ball so that the out-of-game rule would work, and those who give a pass specifically try to hit the defender by kicking the ball towards the attacker who is just standing in the center of the penalty area and waiting the ball. Nice!  
2.) It turns out the picture that I posted in the previous message is completely correct? And everything's good?
3.) I think that it was not the execution of the rule that took place here, but the error of the judge based on a perverse interpretation of the rule.

Like i said earlier,  Eric Garcia could have let the ball go straight to Mbappe, then he would have been flagged up as offside. Most experience defenders are aware of some mistakes that can cost the team. We all know Mbappe was offside before receiving the breakaway pass  and he certainly appeared to be at first sight but Eric Garcia's touch of the ball as he tried to make a last-ditch interception was enough to put the attacker onside. He must have tried to intercept the ball and lose control of it. That is where the "playing the ball" comes in. His attempt to intercept was deliberate and created a new phase of play. If he was hit by a shot on goal and Mbappe had scored, then it could have been an offside.

Are you sure you write about football? In the dynamics, the defenders do not know in what position the attacker is (in an out-of-play position or not), they are obliged to interrupt any forward pass. The ball was intended for Mbappe and Mbappe received it, I wonder where you saw the appearance of a new stage of the game between these events? The defender touched the ball but did not control it for a single moment and therefore cannot be said "playing a ball".
But if you like this interpretation of the rules, then you are not against the game scheme that I described earlier: the attacker just stands the entire match in the penalty area and waits for his partners to give him a pass across the entire field at the same time they manage to hit the opponent's player with the ball?

[coinlocket$]

UEFA is already one of the richest sports body in world, but their greediness is not going to end, so they have these bore tournaments bringing some more Europe in their pocket. About Chiesa is doing good and now after Juventus main players away from game due to injuries now he is doing very good for his club Allegri if one of best coaches in world also know how to use youngster like Chiesa I am feeling in coming years he could be much better and quality player.

But, hopefully he could be not underrated like Benzema because he is also one of the best players but sadly underrated for long time.

Well, we will see what the European Court of Justice next year will say about the predominant and monopolistic position of UEFA. 

Anyway, next Nation League is already scheduled.



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_UEFA_Nations_League

[KTChampions]

Well, we will see what the European Court of Justice next year will say about the predominant and monopolistic position of UEFA. 

Anyway, next Nation League is already scheduled.

https://i.imgur.com/zL5mLdq.png

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_UEFA_Nations_League

Quite annoying both the formula of the tournament and the timing. Such a small number of elimination matches and such a break between the group stage and the playoff stage breaks the integrity of the entire tournament. It turns out some kind of correspondence competition. It seems that the tournament itself was invented to maximize the load on the players and close the last (if any) reserves of time/energy. Perhaps this will somehow help UEFA in the fight against the Super League, but the attitude towards matches in the League of Nations, as I see it, remains at the level of friendly games even at the playoff stage.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Italy 2-1 Belgium
In the second half, both teams compete, but it is Italy that prevails and they take third place. The trouble with Belgium is not the lack of high-quality players, but the absence of a winning mentality. It may differ, but there is no winning mentality in the Belgian team. Congratulations to Jorgi and his teammates. Poor Belgium. The world number one should drop. Belgium may now step down and hand over the top position to Italy.

I don't fully agree, Belgium has some world class players (Lukaku, De Bruyne, Hazard) and I do think they have a winning mentaly, but the biggest problem they have is the defense. Ever since Kompany has left the team, their defense is by far their weakest point.
It might be time to change from coach, Martinez has done a great job but have not been able to bring back one important trophee...

Names don't play football as is the case with Belgium, they need to go back to the drawing board and try to pin point their weaknesses because they have such a good squad to compete with anyone. Martinez is the reason Belgium never won anything with this generation of quality players, this crop of players should've won a silverware.  He has never handled a side with more stars like this in his whole career. His last managerial experience was in Everton and he never won anything with them. This is a similar case in Manchester United too. Having big mass with a poor manager. They will regret the time they wasted wit this coach