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May 30, 2015, 01:15:25 PM
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Still having problem with unobtaniumd constantly crashing. takes me 4-5 restarts to get it to stay online... then works for 5 or so hours sometimes longer up to 12.

A fix would be great:

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1418-unobtanium-uno-information/?p=182392




What platform or OS are you using? This sounds like a memory allocation issue, valgrind should help narrow it down.

Debian wheezy. Its the only coin doing this.

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      32961880   30365640    2596240          0     445704   13651636
-/+ buffers/cache:   16268300   16693580
Swap:       523260     441748      81512

Hmmm... I'm on Debian wheezy as well, no issues like that. AMD64 I'm guessing? Any hints in ~/.unobtanium/debug.log?

I am on Debian Jessie, AMD64. Boost gave me no end of troubles until I built with the flags: --with-boost=/usr/local/  CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -DBOOST_VARIANT_USE_RELAXED_GET_BY_DEFAULT=1"

Not sure if this will help in your situation. I will make a VM image of wheezy and see if I can reproduce.


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May 30, 2015, 02:58:02 PM
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Still having problem with unobtaniumd constantly crashing. takes me 4-5 restarts to get it to stay online... then works for 5 or so hours sometimes longer up to 12.

A fix would be great:

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1418-unobtanium-uno-information/?p=182392




What platform or OS are you using? This sounds like a memory allocation issue, valgrind should help narrow it down.

Debian wheezy. Its the only coin doing this.

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      32961880   30365640    2596240          0     445704   13651636
-/+ buffers/cache:   16268300   16693580
Swap:       523260     441748      81512

Hmmm... I'm on Debian wheezy as well, no issues like that. AMD64 I'm guessing? Any hints in ~/.unobtanium/debug.log?

I am on Debian Jessie, AMD64. Boost gave me no end of troubles until I built with the flags: --with-boost=/usr/local/  CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -DBOOST_VARIANT_USE_RELAXED_GET_BY_DEFAULT=1"

Not sure if this will help in your situation. I will make a VM image of wheezy and see if I can reproduce.

Docs show to install the following:

Code:
sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev libprotobuf-dev protobuf-compile libqrencode-dev

FWIW, on Debian wheezy and jessie I haven't had any issues with boost. I've always made sure all boost libs are installed:

Code:
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev

One item that I do differently:

Code:
./configure --with-incompatible-bdb

as I have no concerns about Berkeley DB backwards compatibility...

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May 30, 2015, 03:06:19 PM
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FWIW, on Debian wheezy and jessie I haven't had any issues with boost. I've always made sure all boost libs are installed:

Code:
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev

My boost libs were installed, just not pointing to the correct location or w/e. On the other hand, I did the exact same build for a friend on Ubuntu according to the normal recipe and it worked fine. At any rate, my daemon runs flawless now so I couldn't be happier.


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May 30, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
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Meanwhile, lets just pause a minute to let the adrenaline settle. We can make the wallet pretty again, don't worry. In the mean time, lets appreciate the added blockchain security that has come with the 100x increase in hash Uno is getting, with more on the way. 



Meanwhile on Comkort exchange https://comkort.com/trade/un_btc there's still bid to buy around 12.5 $UNO @ 0.0118 BTC.

Also on Let's Talk Bitcoin, there was an interesting speaker from Texas Bitcoin Conference named Adam Hayes featured on The Bitcoin Game Ep. #18.  The site is down for now, but the topic was "What Factors Give Cryptocurrencies Their Value:  An Empirical Analysis".  He concluded that around 85% of (66 commonly traded) coin's value comes from 1.) High hash rate 2.) Lower block reward 3.) Scrypt algorithm.  His statistical analysis revealed that total coin supply and coin age were insignificant.  He also touched on immeasurables that can give coins value like "brand/community loyalty" as in the case of Dogecoin where he would expect the fundamental value to be less (due to higher block reward, I assume).

Let's see if $UNO 100x price increase will follow $UNO 100x hash increase in the future.   Cool 

So he concluded that the Scrypt algorithm somehow gave a coin it's value? That doesn't even make sense and makes his conclusion suspect. Bitcoin dwarfs all other alt-coins combined in terms of pretty much all those factors and does not use the Scrypt algorithm, therefore the Scrypt algorithm has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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May 30, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
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Still having problem with unobtaniumd constantly crashing. takes me 4-5 restarts to get it to stay online... then works for 5 or so hours sometimes longer up to 12.

A fix would be great:

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1418-unobtanium-uno-information/?p=182392




What platform or OS are you using? This sounds like a memory allocation issue, valgrind should help narrow it down.

Debian wheezy. Its the only coin doing this.

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      32961880   30365640    2596240          0     445704   13651636
-/+ buffers/cache:   16268300   16693580
Swap:       523260     441748      81512

Hmmm... I'm on Debian wheezy as well, no issues like that. AMD64 I'm guessing? Any hints in ~/.unobtanium/debug.log?

I am on Debian Jessie, AMD64. Boost gave me no end of troubles until I built with the flags: --with-boost=/usr/local/  CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -DBOOST_VARIANT_USE_RELAXED_GET_BY_DEFAULT=1"

Not sure if this will help in your situation. I will make a VM image of wheezy and see if I can reproduce.

Docs show to install the following:

Code:
sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev libprotobuf-dev protobuf-compile libqrencode-dev

FWIW, on Debian wheezy and jessie I haven't had any issues with boost. I've always made sure all boost libs are installed:

Code:
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev

One item that I do differently:

Code:
./configure --with-incompatible-bdb

as I have no concerns about Berkeley DB backwards compatibility...

I meet all the req except protobuf-compile, deb seems to only have libprotobuf-dev

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May 30, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
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protobuf-dev should work fine.


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May 30, 2015, 10:31:51 PM
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Hi,

Any news on Windows 32 wallet? And an ignorant question: If I have my wallet on a 32-bit machine, the only machine I have, does this mean I have to wait for the 32 version before I can use it?

Thanks!
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May 30, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
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Hi,

Any news on Windows 32 wallet? And an ignorant question: If I have my wallet on a 32-bit machine, the only machine I have, does this mean I have to wait for the 32 version before I can use it?

Thanks!

I haven't heard any word from anyone on a Win32 wallet unfortunately. Sad

Having a good development environment so I can build for all OS's is on my to-do list. I'm close to meeting my funding goal to buy an extra box to do it on, as I'd rather do builds on a dedicated machine that isn't used for anything else.


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May 30, 2015, 10:48:16 PM
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Hi,

Any news on Windows 32 wallet? And an ignorant question: If I have my wallet on a 32-bit machine, the only machine I have, does this mean I have to wait for the 32 version before I can use it?

Thanks!

I haven't heard any word from anyone on a Win32 wallet unfortunately. Sad

Having a good development environment so I can build for all OS's is on my to-do list. I'm close to meeting my funding goal to buy an extra box to do it on, as I'd rather do builds on a dedicated machine that isn't used for anything else.

Thanks siameze. This isn't directed at you, and I might be missing something, but why the fuck would there not be an immediate update for a win32 wallet when there's a hard fork?
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May 30, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
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So he concluded that the Scrypt algorithm somehow gave a coin it's value? That doesn't even make sense and makes his conclusion suspect. Bitcoin dwarfs all other alt-coins combined in terms of pretty much all those factors and does not use the Scrypt algorithm, therefore the Scrypt algorithm has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Here's a link to the episode:  https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-bitcoin-game-18-jeremy-gardner-adam-hayes

He looked at "66 commonly traded altcoins against bitcoin".  So in his analysis, of those alts, Scrypt algo apparently did better over other algos. 

I'm not sure what time period he used, but you know crypto - much can change quickly (see $UNO hash rate).  I think he did solid work using the data he had available to him at the time.  From the sound of it there was visual info accompanying his presentation - I'd like to see the $UNO data.  As it is - I thought the info was very positive for Unobtanium. 

It's rare.  It's fair.  It's Unobtanium.
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So he concluded that the Scrypt algorithm somehow gave a coin it's value? That doesn't even make sense and makes his conclusion suspect. Bitcoin dwarfs all other alt-coins combined in terms of pretty much all those factors and does not use the Scrypt algorithm, therefore the Scrypt algorithm has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Here's a link to the episode:  https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-bitcoin-game-18-jeremy-gardner-adam-hayes

He looked at "66 commonly traded altcoins against bitcoin".  So in his analysis, of those alts, Scrypt algo apparently did better over other algos. 

I'm not sure what time period he used, but you know crypto - much can change quickly (see $UNO hash rate).  I think he did solid work using the data he had available to him at the time.  From the sound of it there was visual info accompanying his presentation - I'd like to see the $UNO data.  As it is - I thought the info was very positive for Unobtanium. 

I very seriously doubt it had anything to do with the algorithm. Scrypt was the second successful algorithm to come out, so it has the majority of the non-SHA256 traffic and really the only one to have ASICs built for it. I can in no way see how the choice of algorithm makes a single tiny bit of difference to the miner, as miners will mine whatever is the most profitable with the hardware they have. I doubt many of the people (if any besides myself and a few others) in this thread can even describe any of the algorithms or how they work, so why would they care? They don't.

Anyway, that'd kind of off topic. I think he should have left the algorithm bit out of the whole thing, as it is a red herring and data puffery.
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May 30, 2015, 10:58:49 PM
Last edit: May 30, 2015, 11:35:30 PM by siameze
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Hi,

Any news on Windows 32 wallet? And an ignorant question: If I have my wallet on a 32-bit machine, the only machine I have, does this mean I have to wait for the 32 version before I can use it?

Thanks!

I haven't heard any word from anyone on a Win32 wallet unfortunately. Sad

Having a good development environment so I can build for all OS's is on my to-do list. I'm close to meeting my funding goal to buy an extra box to do it on, as I'd rather do builds on a dedicated machine that isn't used for anything else.

Thanks siameze. This isn't directed at you, and I might be missing something, but why the fuck would there not be an immediate update for a win32 wallet when there's a hard fork?

I honestly have no clue, I only recently got involved with UNO and my specialty is mainly unix. The events of the fork to MM got me thinking it might be a good idea for me to learn how to build cross-platform so everyone has what they need. I'm not a fan of leaving anyone in the userbase struggling during updates.

EDIT: Just got off the phone with a friend who will kindly sell me a Windows lappy for the low price of 0.5 BTC. Stay tuned.


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May 30, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
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'data puffery' -- great term!

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May 31, 2015, 12:07:26 AM
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Hi,

Any news on Windows 32 wallet? And an ignorant question: If I have my wallet on a 32-bit machine, the only machine I have, does this mean I have to wait for the 32 version before I can use it?

Thanks!

I haven't heard any word from anyone on a Win32 wallet unfortunately. Sad

Having a good development environment so I can build for all OS's is on my to-do list. I'm close to meeting my funding goal to buy an extra box to do it on, as I'd rather do builds on a dedicated machine that isn't used for anything else.

Thanks siameze. This isn't directed at you, and I might be missing something, but why the fuck would there not be an immediate update for a win32 wallet when there's a hard fork?

I honestly have no clue, I only recently got involved with UNO and my specialty is mainly unix. The events of the fork to MM got me thinking it might be a good idea for me to learn how to build cross-platform so everyone has what they need. I'm not a fan of leaving anyone in the userbase struggling during updates.

EDIT: Just got off the phone with a friend who will kindly sell me a Windows lappy for the low price of 0.5 BTC. Stay tuned.

Sweet, thanks siameze.
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May 31, 2015, 01:12:06 AM
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Still having problem with unobtaniumd constantly crashing. takes me 4-5 restarts to get it to stay online... then works for 5 or so hours sometimes longer up to 12.

A fix would be great:

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1418-unobtanium-uno-information/?p=182392



Just experienced this problem myself.
quick fix below will restart the daemon. which can be put on cron to run every minute
ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep unobtaniumd || unobtaniumd
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May 31, 2015, 02:31:59 AM
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Still having problem with unobtaniumd constantly crashing. takes me 4-5 restarts to get it to stay online... then works for 5 or so hours sometimes longer up to 12.

A fix would be great:

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1418-unobtanium-uno-information/?p=182392



Just experienced this problem myself.
quick fix below will restart the daemon. which can be put on cron to run every minute
ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep unobtaniumd || unobtaniumd

thanks, that's an ok bandaid for now. Would really like someone to dig into this some more. Should someone log an issue in github?

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May 31, 2015, 03:55:33 AM
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slightly off top - more shite from the OKCoin debacle.

http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37u6ca/okcoins_response_to_czs_lies_and_desperate/

it just gets worse & worse (and everyone else is to brame)

apologies for brief derailment!
There's an easy solution, just buy Unobtanium...

Unobtanium - The crypto commodity you keep! |
Hate Inflation? You'll love $UNO
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May 31, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
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[SIGH]

I have simply failed in my efforts to write (saleable) Basic Crypto Security instructions. Here's why:

https://cryptoguild.qnetau.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3&p=488#p488

Ian and I will discuss it, and report to the community. (Our translator is likely to encounter similar difficulties.)

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May 31, 2015, 09:11:57 AM
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slightly off top - more shite from the OKCoin debacle.

http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37u6ca/okcoins_response_to_czs_lies_and_desperate/

it just gets worse & worse (and everyone else is to brame)

apologies for brief derailment!
There's an easy solution, just buy Unobtanium...

i dont see that as a solution.

especially if we're actively chasing the chinese 'market'

the same practices they have maintained wrt bitcoin (and i sincerely doubt OKCoin are alone) could be fatal to UNO/lesser alts and may well seriously harm us all - not that theyll give a shit.


have you been keeping up with whats been going on?
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May 31, 2015, 12:37:27 PM
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slightly off top - more shite from the OKCoin debacle.

http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37u6ca/okcoins_response_to_czs_lies_and_desperate/

it just gets worse & worse (and everyone else is to brame)

apologies for brief derailment!
There's an easy solution, just buy Unobtanium...

i dont see that as a solution.

especially if we're actively chasing the chinese 'market'

the same practices they have maintained wrt bitcoin (and i sincerely doubt OKCoin are alone) could be fatal to UNO/lesser alts and may well seriously harm us all - not that theyll give a shit.


have you been keeping up with whats been going on?

@Edgar
Please give us a summary about what's going on with the asia markets as i have not been able to keep up with everything that's happening right now.



I'm on the Bitcoin fork thing and it does not look good for Bitcoin. Basically it falls apart and Gavin starts his own altcoin and tries to take down Bitcoin with his actions. The situation looks really grim right now for the Bitcoin community. This could crash hard. In case Bitcoin forks into two chains both chains will likely loose most if not all of their value. The dev team falls apart. There is a lot stuff going on right now. It is quite possible Bitcoin could see double digits this year thanks to Gavin.
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