[UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Merge Mine w/BTC! - Update NOW to qt 0.11.5

[learminer]

That makes sense. This many transactions are almost only possible if it is an exchange wallet and they had an integrated mining pool, that explains the mined coins. So the thief (if there ever was one and it wasn't one of the CoinEx staff themselves) got that wallet and has now gradually sold off his stash.

Imagine how many other alts may be affected by smething similar? 


Considering that for much of the time UNO's value was actually lot higher than now, that is a truckload of BTC they turned this into. Great research detectives! Still no hard evidence, but there likely never will be and this is a highly probable scenario.

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[balu2]

buy, buy, buy

[voluntarist500]

he moved coins from uLip to uffG 2 days after the hack was announced. So there was no hack.

I am pretty sure coinex took the coins themselves and a real hack actually never took place. Look at how many mistakes the dumb kid made.

[leewilson]

That makes sense. This many transactions are almost only possible if it is an exchange wallet and they had an integrated mining pool, that explains the mined coins. So the thief (if there ever was one and it wasn't one of the CoinEx staff themselves) got that wallet and has now gradually sold off his stash.

Imagine how many other alts may be affected by smething similar? 


Considering that for much of the time UNO's value was actually lot higher than now, that is a truckload of BTC they turned this into. Great research detectives! Still no hard evidence, but there likely never will be and this is a highly probable scenario.

Exactly, I personally put the onus on coinex. Once they are found, which I am certain will happen, eventually, they should be hanged, drawn and quartered or rather, just the latter...especially because they still have an exchange up that accepts your coins, but never lets them out.

[voluntarist500]

put buyorders very low. He could still have several thousand to dump. We don't know. They should probably be done in most parts. Still some remain. How much did they sell of their stashes? 60%? 80%? 90%?
Pretty sure they sold more than 55% of what they had.

How can this happen? Why are people leaving THAT many coins on the exchange?!


edit: buy these coins as low as possible and there will be a time when you see 10x to 50x returns in a very short timespan. After that Un will never be that cheap again and finally get its true value which should be well above twenty-fold what we have now. Be a longtermer. Put in only money wich can be tied up for some time. Wait. We will have a huge party when this is over.

But above all: TAKE YOUR FREAKIN' COINS OFF EXCHANGES AND INTO YOUR DESKTOPWALLET

[voluntarist500]

hard proof can be found btw for people who put in the time to search the blockchain. You have your deposit-adresses and old txid's from withdrawals at coinex. Those things can all be found and connected in the chain.

Look at the transactions of uffGuBZtoJTP8f4nAQKRSCrxKWECzugXn3
if someone could get us all transactions and related txid's of uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 i am sure hard proof can be established

[Benefactor]

That is kind-of an odd fact.  Unobtanium is probably better, now, than it's ever been, but the price doesn't reflect this at all.  If we ignore the woolong nonsense, we were at 0.02, before.  ...But remember we are comparing UNO's exchange vs Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is stronger, too, and the BTC adoption and network is super-strong, now, clearly undervalued in a HUGE way.  Well, I guess that prices UNO from 0.01-0.02 right now, but good luck, without some of the things we've spoken about to get the sustained price higher.

Also, I'd like to get opinions from everyone what are the levels at which you consider "dumping" and "selling a little" (or 'trading')?  In $USD terms, BTC, and UNO.  Where do you draw the line?

Right now, generating $1,000 USD, which I don't consider too much, is clearly considered "dumping" for such a small boutique coin like this.  Not so much if we were priced much, much higher with buy support to back it up, you know?

[FallingKnife]

That is kind-of an odd fact.  Unobtanium is probably better, now, than it's ever been, but the price doesn't reflect this at all.  If we ignore the woolong nonsense, we were at 0.02, before.  ...But remember we are comparing UNO's exchange vs Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is stronger, too, and the BTC adoption and network is super-strong, now, clearly undervalued in a HUGE way.  Well, I guess that prices UNO from 0.01-0.02 right now, but good luck, without some of the things we've spoken about to get the sustained price higher.

I hear you. It will help when 10k+ uno and 75k fast-mined uno are no longer being dumped on the markets.

We're a community -- we can each make a difference.
Btw, go vote for UNO on BetByCoin so we have another entertainment outlet for UNO.  http://www.betbycoin.com/coinvotes/

[Benefactor]

...Its just that whenever any significant buy support has gathered and it looks like price is gonna have to rise, several hundreds of kgs get dumped at once.

That's clearly part(ies) waiting to cash out, that couldn't until there was SUFFICIENT BUY SUPPORT.

It's even worse when they can't wait, as we just saw.

[voluntarist500]

Benefactor, they dumped each month now multiple times the output of the whole network. 1000 Un is mined per month right now. Soon only 500 Un. So the dump of two days ago was more than a months output of new coins. Do the math. When the bastards are done selling those stolen coins, pirce will rocket and you'll have all the buysupport you want since 'dumping' will not occure anymore in those significant quantities and in that high frequency.

You asked at what price i 'dump'?
Simple: never - because the highest price is always the green candle.
What my first exit is? Not below 0.025 btc. Most will be sold above 0.05 over the next 3 to 5 years.

Right now i am trying to get more capital to buy those dumps because now i understand what is going on.

The fact that Un is still at these prices after all the dumping shows how strong this coin really is. It is super-strong. And this community in my opinion has shown that it is one of the best.
The situation we have been in over the past few months was extraordinary. These prices are crazy low. Un right now has better longterm perspectives than any other coin out there. It is massively oversold. Coinex has probably dumped between 50% and 95% of what they had. They will run out. They dump because they want out and fast because the coins have been stolen from their customers and they must have huge paranoia now because they know they will be found rather sooner than later. If we can proof ulPip belongs to coinex which we will be able once we have that history we can proof were the coins went and where they were sold. If exchanges cooperate, and they will, we can then follow the btc they were sold for through the btc-chain. So their btc will also be tainted. Their accounts at exchanges can be frozen any day now. All we need is full history and txid's of uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 and we can proof things. Coinex can not whitewash themselves and can not claim a hack after that.
We already have picture and full name of Erundook. Coinex will be busted no worries.

Un needs some time to recover from this, but it will. We'll see new ATH no doubt. Let coinex finish up.

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[voluntarist500]

the spread will magically close itself when the dumping of stolen coinex-coins stops because they finally ran out. Things will turn out very good for longterm spartans

[voluntarist500]

would be good if we can get a history of uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 with txid's rather sooner than later so we can proof things and exchanges can freeze accounts. If someone who knows how to get the data reads this please post it or submit in another way so we can bring things back to normal for the honest people around here which is the majority.

What if the microselling was also coinex? If that was coinex they are probably done 90%+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w


scenario: coinex runs out - finishes up - real support builds and isn't dumped one bit anymore and on top of that a famous sociopathic pumper makes his appearance again you know you can sell for 100 bucks. Congrats everybody who has been hanging in there and catching the dumps with no end.

[voluntarist500]

another smaller dump on mintpal. They must hurry now. Leave moscow and your home Erundook. They coming after you. Sell fast! Pack your things and run, boy! Cash out all those btc because they will be tainted too. Time runs out. Run, boy, run.

[voluntarist500]

he just transferred out another 150 coins from his wallet to a new wallet with 350 coins

http://cryptexplorer.com/tx/39ce1cfa531247b30b313d76ffc9110a138e0234af602e1bc44be879dac403b0#i3

wait for 350 coins to be dumped

[rojan]

I'm not familiar with coinex or what happened so I had to look up some background info and found a couple of pieces covering the so-called coinex hack from March 2014:

http://www.coindesk.com/coinex-pw-hacked-will-cover-losses

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/coinex-pw-hacked-all-coins-stolen/2014/03/19

Is coinex still operating??

[rojan]

All we need is full history and txid's of uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 and we can proof things. Coinex can not whitewash themselves and can not claim a hack after that.

Here are some follow-up articles on the coinex "hack":

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/coinex-back-online-still-missing-50-of-stolen-funds/2014/03/31

http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/coinex-another-cryptocurrency-exchange-that-steals-customers-coins-robbed-investors-of-half-a-million-dollars

[learminer]

I'm not familiar with coinex or what happened so I had to look up some background info and found a couple of pieces covering the so-called coinex hack from March 2014:

http://www.coindesk.com/coinex-pw-hacked-will-cover-losses

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/coinex-pw-hacked-all-coins-stolen/2014/03/19

Is coinex still operating??

Unfortunatelly yes. I am not entirely up to date either, but last i checked the website was still up and we already had the case of a new community member buying coins there and being unable to withdraw them.
Apparently you can still register and deposit coins, even trade. But you cannot withdraw your coins.

This is such a massive scam, I wonder why nobody seems to be able to do anything about it. Somebody has to keep the service and server running, who pays the bills? They need to be shut down.

[voluntarist500]

I'm not familiar with coinex or what happened so I had to look up some background info and found a couple of pieces covering the so-called coinex hack from March 2014:

check the thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265277.0

they claimed to have been hacked (very proabably only an excuse to steal the funds). Still online. Deposits possible but no withdrawals. Most ugly fraud.

I was so glad to loose only less than 15$ worth because i was sensible about the first warning signs and withdrew in time.
They still did a lot of damage to my investement in Un during the last few months and took away profits i could have made.
Some people have probably been screwed hardcore there. As you can see they were able to dump uno on the market for months and months. Possibly well over 10k - they had No1 wallet in the richlist. So that is what gives us all this cheap uno. The fat No1 coinex-wallet being dumped since march. A ton of people screwed in the process - everybody basically. DEM, WDC, ZET, FTC and all the other coins. Huge damage to the community. All dumped probably. And you wonder why the coins are so cheap! First they steal coins then they screw everybody who has been holding these coins by dumping the markets for months - probably not only Un. And they are still running free and the site is up and you can actually deposit more funds to them and many people did and still do. Their trolls-army acting as if there was no problem and calling the victims names and makeing fun of them on the thread. You can still mine with them but not withdraw. They hide behind cloudflare. It is massively ugly what is going down with coinex and everybody is looking the other way many people not even speaking up because of fear of being attacked by the trolls.
They tried to erase their identies but pulled back on that as they noticed it failed. Full Name and Picture of co-founder being public. There will be a lot to see there. They'll go Karpeles way - in handcuffs rather sooner than later. All we need to do is extract the proof of what they did, reconstruct it all - and with Un it is actually much easier than with the other coins in that case. In the end we will probably be able to link transactions to dumps and even tell from the blockchain their exchange-wallets. The mistakes they did with Un will screw them. All we need is the txid's of uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 and some txid's and adresses of poeple who deposited and withdrew Un there in the past to proof the wallet is theirs. After that we can reconstruct every single move they made and link it to the marketactivity and even tell what exchanges they used and what their wallets are there. When exchanges cooperate we will be able to trace the btc they got in exchange for their stolen Un through the btc-blockchain. After a few weeks if some poeple with knowledge help with the case it could be possible we can link their btc-transactions to their bankaccounts. A lot of data and work, but it'll all be very transparent and bulletproof in the end. It's all in the chain and txid's. You only need cryptsy, mintpal, bitstamp and others to help the case and this will happen. For that we need the proof the uLpiP5hE8fPF4iEvhix4HCKTTWfWADZTb5 adress was theirs wich we can get as soon as we have the full history of that plus some txid's of people withdrawing or depositing Un to them before march. They will be busted royally.

[pnoch]

I'm not familiar with coinex or what happened so I had to look up some background info and found a couple of pieces covering the so-called coinex hack from March 2014:

http://www.coindesk.com/coinex-pw-hacked-will-cover-losses

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/coinex-pw-hacked-all-coins-stolen/2014/03/19

Is coinex still operating??

Unfortunatelly yes. I am not entirely up to date either, but last i checked the website was still up and we already had the case of a new community member buying coins there and being unable to withdraw them.
Apparently you can still register and deposit coins, even trade. But you cannot withdraw your coins.

This is such a massive scam, I wonder why nobody seems to be able to do anything about it. Somebody has to keep the service and server running, who pays the bills? They need to be shut down.

No you BTC deposit won't work also. I know this from my stupidity. My multipool.us have CoinEX as auto payout wallet for BTC. All BTC moved as soon as it reaches blockchain and NONE showed up on the exchange's balance. Stupid me!

For all your detective out there if you want to check to blockchain, here's my CoinEX's payout address 14VLNQcr9Bi7QVAvLGys8d5mD5kCdt5efb ***DO NOT SEND ANY COINS THERE, THIS IS NOT MINE

[walkdev]

he just transferred out another 150 coins from his wallet to a new wallet with 350 coins

http://cryptexplorer.com/tx/39ce1cfa531247b30b313d76ffc9110a138e0234af602e1bc44be879dac403b0#i3

wait for 350 coins to be dumped

That a$$hole probably has some of my Uno in there as well...