[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread)

[fortunecrypto]

I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

At 32 and still strong and with high motivation I don't think Joshua will do that, he can take a vacation and take out all the pressure, the last part of the boxer that will give is the mind, he is not giving up on himself his body can still take it, maybe another tune fight will get his motivation back he still has that power but lacks the ring generalship at 32 it is not yet late to reinvest himself, he can come back anytime, Foreman did it after many years off in boxing.

AJ should just take some time off and fight whoever he can to try get his mojo back. He might end up being the mandatory again at some point so it's not over for him yet and the belts won't stay with either Usyk or Fury forever either. Fury will probably have one or two more championship fights in him before he actually retires. Retiring after Usyk wouldn't be a bad way to go especially if he unifies all the belts, and like I said yesterday it looks like Fury's current 'retirement' was just a money grab as he's now asking for the big bucks for the Usyk fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mD_W8qoYA

That fight really needs to happen. Usyk wants it, it's going to be both of their biggest paydays, and I don't think Usyk will trouble Fury too much so there's no reason why this fight shouldn't happen.

I agree he is just 32 he is still at his peak he just needs to add more repertoire to his skill, but all the boxers that going to fight Joshua in the future will have references on how to beat him, Joshua is exposed on his last two fights and he admits his shortcomings in the ring, he really needs to improve he should not concentrate on just power, he should not go for Fury because  Fury is a big version of Usyk, very technical.
Now is the best time to fight Wilder, they have two successive losses to their rivals and they badly need a win I feel that Joshua is a much better fighter than Wilder, its a risky fight for both fighters but they have a score to settle.

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[Boristhecat]

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

There is such a proverb as "you can not jump above your head." AJ had a great fight and apparently it was his maximum. He added in speed and in an attempt to use his size. Compared to the first fight where he was beaten, this was a much higher level fight. But still, Usyk turned out to be stronger. Now it's a very difficult decision for AJ (he is now in the same situation as Wilder before) - to retire or to continue fighting with a slim chance that he will be given another attempt to get belt?

[JollyGood]

If there is anybody from the current crop that can upset Fury or get close to it, then it has to be Usyk but If I have this correct Usyk is 6'3'' whereas Fury is 6'9'' and there is colossal weight difference between them. This will count heavily in favour of Fury as well as his reach and height.

I think Fury will be able to stop Usyk long before 12 rounds. I like the way Usyk fights therefore I hope he does not get knocked out or even knocked down even once. If it went to points that would be a great performance by Usyk but I think a TKO might be more likely with Fury unifying the belts.

That fight really needs to happen. Usyk wants it, it's going to be both of their biggest paydays, and I don't think Usyk will trouble Fury too much so there's no reason why this fight shouldn't happen.

[inthelongrun]

It's a shame that one judge tried to steal its result. There is no way AJ won 7 rounds. Glen Feldman should be banned from judging again. Here are the actual scorecards in the fight.


Here are the punch stats according to Compubox.


Let's try to compare the scorecards of the judges by scoring the fight based on the jabs and power punches landed per round. The result is 116-112 for Usyk.


It was a great event in Saudi. Usyk a former undisputed cruiser champ is now clearly a future Hall of Famer after becoming the lineal and Ring belt champion left by Fury. And there is no shame in losing to such a great champion. Usyk wanted a showdown with Fury next or he might probably retire. AJ can still become champion again if Usyk retires early and with Fury retiring for good. It's too late but I still want to see AJ against Wilder. 

[JollyGood]

There was no chance that any professional judge carrying out his scoring duties with complete neutrality could ever award the fight to Joshua over Usyk. How did Glenn Feldman conclude Joshua won by 115-113? The other two judges, Viktor Fesechko scored it 116-112 in favour of Usyk while Steve Gray scored it 115-113 also in favour of Usyk.

It is such a shame another controversial scorecard decision marred the event. The article is here: TalkSport

[KTChampions]

There was no chance that any professional judge carrying out his scoring duties with complete neutrality could ever award the fight to Joshua over Usyk. How did Glenn Feldman conclude Joshua won by 115-113? The other two judges, Viktor Fesechko scored it 116-112 in favour of Usyk while Steve Gray scored it 115-113 also in favour of Usyk.

It is such a shame another controversial scorecard decision marred the event. The article is here: TalkSport

I wonder why he did it? Was hoping that one of the other two judges would award a draw and the result would be a scandalous draw? Complete nonsense. I think it's obvious that in a rematch against the reigning champion, the challenger (who was declassed in the previous fight) has to be significantly stronger to win (or at least get a draw).
I can’t say that it overshadowed the result, but once again it reminded me that boxing has a lot of undercover fights, bias and dirty deeds.

[mu_enrico]

I think AJ is overrated in the first place, and it's now proven with Ruiz and then Usyk, two top fighters that are not that good compared to the previous decade's boxers. Well, looking at the top 5 heavyweight boxers, it seems that Fury will be the undisputed champion quite easily. Usyk is a cruiserweight boxer, his punch means nothing for a gigantic boxer like Fury.

Yeah AJ vs Wilder would be a good match, as long as Wilder has no serious injury post-KO, He'll beat AJ.

[JollyGood]

I always thought he was overrated, that was my feeling.

Joshua has been beaten 3 times in his previous 5 fights including back to back defeats therefore he does not represent a massive threat to any competent fighter that will enter the ring with him. If Joshua and Wilder do fight I am sure Wilder will win by knockout. Where can Joshua go from here?

I think AJ is overrated in the first place, and it's now proven with Ruiz and then Usyk, two top fighters that are not that good compared to the previous decade's boxers. Well, looking at the top 5 heavyweight boxers, it seems that Fury will be the undisputed champion quite easily. Usyk is a cruiserweight boxer, his punch means nothing for a gigantic boxer like Fury.

Yeah AJ vs Wilder would be a good match, as long as Wilder has no serious injury post-KO, He'll beat AJ.

[eaLiTy]

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

It is not that Anthony Joshua has lost his drive or motivation, it is that people needs to start accepting the fact that Oleksandr Usyk is a much better boxer than him. He was facing tomato cans earlier and now when he faced tough competition his aura of invincibility is hammered.

The highlight of the fight is the break down from Anthony Joshua after loosing the fight throwing the belts away which was silly. He needs to start accepting the fact that Oleksandr Usyk is a much better boxer than him  .

Regarding one of the judges decision, i am not that surprised because i have seen worst judges scores before in boxing .

[JollyGood]

There was no chance the first Fury vs Wilder fight was a draw and there have been many bad decisions over the years by boxing judges tallying up their scorecards. There was no chance at all that any judge could have awarded the fight to Joshua 115-113 but Glenn Feldman did and that decision was a very bad one.

Regarding one of the judges decision, i am not that surprised because i have seen worst judges scores before in boxing .

Here is the link to the Fury vs Usyk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410668.0

[bbc.reporter]

Have you all seen Joshua's behavior after the fight he is a very upset man he even throws the two belts the WBA and ring magazine title outside of the ring and even confronted Usyk and tells him how do you beat me, its a big disappointment for those who adorn and look up to him instead of congratulating Usyk he despises him, Usyk for his part is very calm, Usyk deserves the match and Joshua has no right to disrespect Usyk, he should be sanction for his action.

Anthony Joshua confronts Oleksandr Usyk after defeat & throws belts out of the ring

Yes, everything was very strange. After the fight, I reckon before the decision, everyone can see in Joshua's face that he knew that it was a loss for him already. However, after hearing that one of the judges gave the win to him, I speculate this was where his behavior began to change.

He also delivered a speech with a cheer in the ending. This made him appear that he needs to talk to a mental health professional hehehe.

[yazher]

Yes, everything was very strange. After the fight, I reckon before the decision, everyone can see in Joshua's face that he knew that it was a loss for him already. However, after hearing that one of the judges gave the win to him, I speculate this was where his behavior began to change.

He also delivered a speech with a cheer in the ending. This made him appear that he needs to talk to a mental health professional hehehe.

I already thought the same just before they read the score card but the problem is, Joshua made a fuss about it when he heard the scores and thought he might gonna make some changes if he do something crazy in that place. they better not do something like that because this is not the usual place they are fighting and they might not get another chance to fight there when they cannot control their emotions at all.

He is doing the Khabeeb thing after the fight but the problem is he lost and he drags himself to more embarrassment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS3_RZ3sC7Q&ab_channel=SkySportsBoxing

[Cryptmuster]

Yes, everything was very strange. After the fight, I reckon before the decision, everyone can see in Joshua's face that he knew that it was a loss for him already. However, after hearing that one of the judges gave the win to him, I speculate this was where his behavior began to change.

He also delivered a speech with a cheer in the ending. This made him appear that he needs to talk to a mental health professional hehehe.

And how do you like his words to Usyk after the fight? He said: "You are not strong, how did you defeat me?" After this fight, he had more questions than answers, it's just a situation when a person does not have an understanding of what needs to be done now, or what needs to be done to win. In fact, he just entered the ring and did not show anything new, he clearly lost, and the fact that one of the judges gave him the victory could really seem like a some kind of hope to him.

[hilariousetc]

It's a shame that one judge tried to steal its result. There is no way AJ won 7 rounds. Glen Feldman should be banned from judging again. Here are the actual scorecards in the fight.


Here are the punch stats according to Compubox.

I think they really need to do something about boxing judges because half of the time they seem to be making shit up. Imagine how many boxers lose fights solely because of judges when in reality it should have been the opposite. Personally, I thought there was a couple of other robberies on that card. Richard Rivera was easily the better fighter and I thought Zhang Zhilei probably won as well. They should probably just start using the actual stats to determine the victor rather than the often biased opinion of judges. I also thought it was weird how the judges weren't all from neutral countries and had one from both England and Ukraine. I mean, really? You don't think they could be biased towards their fellow countrymen? In football international matches they always have neutral officials so why not boxing where it would be much easier to influence the outcome of a match when it's pretty much subjective.

Looks like there's already talks for the Usyk/Fury fight:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19576401/tyson-fury-comeback-fight-oleksandr-usyk-saudi-arabia-december/

Talks are ongoing about hosting it on December 17 - the day before the World Cup Final in neighbouring Qatar.

Al Saud said: “We’re interested, that’s all I can say. We are open to that. We’re bidding for a lot of events.

“If it does happen, it will be hosted in Riyadh. But we still haven’t decided on anything.”

Fury already has influential friends and financiers in Saudi Arabia after his WWE wrestling bout here in 2019.

Britain’s Gypsy King, 34, and Usyk, 35, would each net at least £50m.

Saudi's have pockets deep enough to make this happen and looks like they're eager to so hopefully we see this before the end of the year. AJ got 65 million for this fight so I wouldn't be surprised if Fury gets near 100 Mill for this.

[TopTort777]

What is the future of AJ ? Would be funny if promotors organize a third fight, like Fury vs Wilder If AJ was so much pissed due to a loss, I cant imagine what he would do if he looses for the third time. But jokes aside, what AJ is going to do now? If I am not wrong, then he has no belts right now. Should he retire? If he got 65 millions for that fight, that could be more than enough not to work till death.

[hilariousetc]

What is the future of AJ ? Would be funny if promotors organize a third fight, like Fury vs Wilder If AJ was so much pissed due to a loss, I cant imagine what he would do if he looses for the third time. But jokes aside, what AJ is going to do now? If I am not wrong, then he has no belts right now. Should he retire? If he got 65 millions for that fight, that could be more than enough not to work till death.

He has lots of options. Trilogy with Andy Ruiz might be his best bet, but there's still people like Wilder who would be a huge fight for him, but I don't think he beats Deontay so he's probably best ducking that one until he either has to or gets a couple more wins under him. Maybe even a trilogy with Uysk again down the line, especially if Usyk fights and loses the belts to Fury. The Fury fight would always be on the cards as well but can't see that happening without any belts until maybe the end of both their careers, though if AJ gets a couple of wins under his belt he could end up becoming the mandatory at some point. He's just signed a huge deal with Dazn so they're going to want to start seeing some fights from him. Maybe Eddie will just use some of his other Matchroom Heavyweights to make easy fights, but personally I think the Ruiz third would be a good one for him next.

[inthelongrun]

It's a shame that one judge tried to steal its result. There is no way AJ won 7 rounds. Glen Feldman should be banned from judging again. Here are the actual scorecards in the fight.


Here are the punch stats according to Compubox.

I think they really need to do something about boxing judges because half of the time they seem to be making shit up. Imagine how many boxers lose fights solely because of judges when in reality it should have been the opposite. Personally, I thought there was a couple of other robberies on that card. Richard Rivera was easily the better fighter and I thought Zhang Zhilei probably won as well. They should probably just start using the actual stats to determine the victor rather than the often biased opinion of judges. I also thought it was weird how the judges weren't all from neutral countries and had one from both England and Ukraine. I mean, really? You don't think they could be biased towards their fellow countrymen? In football international matches they always have neutral officials so why not boxing where it would be much easier to influence the outcome of a match when it's pretty much subjective.

Yes, biased decisions are still a huge black eye to boxing. The superstars are the ones that benefits most, guys like AJ and Canelo. Stats alone may not tell the whole story like the impact and damage of power punches and jabs. So it is still difficult to determine. The amateurs used to determine winners thru a points system which was equivalent to punches landed but they shifted to judges now. But at least they have 5 judges to determine a fight result. I would love to see 5 judges in professional boxing too and all of them should also see the punch stats after each round to help their decisions.

All I heard is that a referee is not allowed when one of the fighters is a countryman although I still saw it happen. Boxing's sanctioning bodies are corrupt especially the WBC and WBA. They can twist their own rules for money purposes. It's still purely business and they're taking 3% or less depending on the total money made by the fighters including their PPV shares.

What is the future of AJ ? Would be funny if promotors organize a third fight, like Fury vs Wilder  

Fury-Wilder III happened because Wilder had a rematch clause. Jealous or greedy Wilder was the reason Fury-Joshua got canceled.

[Distinctin]

Fury-Wilder III happened because Wilder had a rematch clause. Jealous or greedy Wilder was the reason Fury-Joshua got canceled.

And that fight will not happen anymore because we have Usyk who has a better match against Fury.

If that AJ vs Fury did happen, I wouldn't be surprised to see AJ get KO as I believe Wilder was even better than him.

[Inwestour]

Yes, biased decisions are still a huge black eye to boxing. The superstars are the ones that benefits most, guys like AJ and Canelo. Stats alone may not tell the whole story like the impact and damage of power punches and jabs. So it is still difficult to determine. The amateurs used to determine winners thru a points system which was equivalent to punches landed but they shifted to judges now. But at least they have 5 judges to determine a fight result. I would love to see 5 judges in professional boxing too and all of them should also see the punch stats after each round to help their decisions.

All I heard is that a referee is not allowed when one of the fighters is a countryman although I still saw it happen. Boxing's sanctioning bodies are corrupt especially the WBC and WBA. They can twist their own rules for money purposes. It's still purely business and they're taking 3% or less depending on the total money made by the fighters including their PPV shares.

To exclude compatriots from the panel of judges does not mean to remove corruption from boxing. I read today that this judge can be deprived of his license, and this should be done so that the rest are afraid to repeat such nonsense in the future. When the result is obvious to everyone, and the results on paper do not correspond to this, then this should raise questions about competence.

[Balmain]

USYK is a very fast and agile boxer for this heavyweight. The fact that he's a reverse guard makes Joshua very uncomfortable, he said it himself in a statement. He said something like reverse guard fighters are bothering me. I think USYK can finish Joshua in rounds 10-11, it will tire him out by then. Joshua has no choice but to hit an accurate explosive punch, but I think he'll get tired after the middle of the match, and muscle mass is sometimes a disadvantage.