Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Pidgeon]

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea.

Shouldn't they flex their muscles in the Black Sea? Just my 2 cents (two rubles right now).
Oh but wait, their flag ship is flexing but we can't see it since it's 2000 meters on the bottom on the sea playing strip poker with Ariel!

And why no one talks here about sea drones,man how I love them,hitting that big big ship of Russian Black Sea fleet,videos are all over the place for that,even on Linkedin who is a professional social media  .Funny how the Russians or should I call them fascists deny that by telling that the big navy responded and destroyed the sea drones when videos,lots of them showing it badly damaged and near drowning completely.

Has any of the drones survived after colliding with the warship?
U see, they are right, they've destroyed all of them!

First things first: A meeting, led by Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters - whithout Ruzzia - is going to take place.

Saudi Arabia is starting to get pissed
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Saudi-Arabia-Suckered-Again-By-Russia-In-OPEC-s-Output-Cut.html

And this is rightwing shit on par with zerohedge BADsucker likes

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[BADecker]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded
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Of course, there are official statistics for Ruzzia. No soldier has been killed, nobody in Ruzzia has lost any limbs in the war and not only that, the soldiers that went to the front without limbs have managed to grow replacement ones thanks to their great morale in the front. This is the official statistic coming from the same official Ruzzian sources that claim to have destroyed more planes that Ukraine ever had.

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So, what evidence do you have for your statements that Russia essentially hasn't been harmed by the war?

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea.

Shouldn't they flex their muscles in the Black Sea? Just my 2 cents (two rubles right now).
Oh but wait, their flag ship is flexing but we can't see it since it's 2000 meters on the bottom on the sea playing strip poker with Ariel!

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Russia could exercise all around the Black Sea, over and over again, and not once run into any American coastal cities. Baltic Sea exercise gives them the practice they need to cross the Atlantic and attack America.

[DaRude]

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Edit:
And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

[montaga]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

[suchmoon]

Eritrean President
Burkina Faso President

LOL that's just great, two nutjob dictators support a nutjob dictator. I'm sure North Korean "president" and a bunch of other dic's do too.

You putinists are truly fucked in the head, irreversibly it seems.

[1miau]

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Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"?

Yes, people voting for that AfD party in 2023 are well aware that it's a fascist party.
In January 2022, their last "moderate" voice in a leading position (Jörg Meuthen, AfD) left AfD because according to Meuthen, AfD is unable to get rid of their fascists and he argued that these fascists have basically taken over the party. Someone from AfD should know their internal idiots.  
And AfD has not just only turned a fascist party, it's has also turned into a Putin asslicker party. So, it's not even a German patriotic party, it's a Russia loving bunch of traitors.  

You just have zero clue about German politics, German history and obviously Ukrainian history as well.
It's always amazing to have dimwits like you talking about German politics.
So, keep embarassing yourself as a clueless Putin troll and fascist friend.  

And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

LOL, you are really clueless how Hitler achieved to destroy the democratic system. He achieved it due to people like you in powerful positions underestimating Hitler and his fascist friends.  
You are so embarassing but let me give you some basic links to educate you about it:
You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen (Binging Hitler into power):

On 9 January 1933, Papen and Hindenburg agreed to form a new government that would bring in Hitler. On the evening of 22 January in a meeting at the villa of Joachim von Ribbentrop in Berlin, Papen made the concession of abandoning his claim to the chancellorship and committed to support Hitler as chancellor in a proposed "Government of National Concentration", in which Papen would serve as vice-chancellor and Minister-President of Prussia. On 23 January, Papen presented to Hindenburg his idea for Hitler to be made chancellor, while keeping him "boxed" in.

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Papen naively believed that his conservative friends' majority in the cabinet and his closeness to Hindenburg would keep Hitler in check.

So, it's 1933 again and let's just pretend, AfD is a well-behaving party and let's make a center-right coalition with them, like Franz von Papen did, when he was too naive and helped Hitler to seize power.  
You are so clueless, it really hurts.  

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

Sure, let's quote again my text from earlier:

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

It's quite interesting that you are doubling down on your Putin asslicking even if it's making no sense at all.  
We all know it's either Poland, Germany, the US, the UK, France, Sweden or Ukraine but NOT Russia.  

Isn't it embarrassing to defend Russia again and again, while you have already well realized how Russia is a big terrorist state?
Because dude, you know nothing, not about Ukrainian history, not about German history...

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

It's a mystery why idiots like you are cheering both for
- AfD, a fascist party
- Putin and his criminal regime blowing up his pipeline after it got useless due to Germany not willing to fund Putin's war

[paxmao]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

RE attacks on Crimea, if you are Ruzzian or mixed or Mormon or a Caribbean rasta you probably known by now that Crimea is a territory of Ukraine that is currently occupied by Ruzzia, that there is a bridge (well more than one) that are critical for the war logistics, that Ruzzian depots and war infrastructure in the region are attacked daily, and that may include places of gathering of troops that may be close to your chosen vacation spot.

So, they can go and have fun while their government kills Ukrainians and does everything they can to annihilate them physically, economically and morally, yes of course, they are in their right to enjoy life. However, as much as I like exercising my liberty, this year I will not go to Niger, nor to Sebastopol, nor to Sudan,... For the same reason, I would suggest to Ruzzians and others to choose another place to go with the kids.

[LTU_btc]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

LOL, I'm not sure you're posting it seriously or Russia is desperate that much that they're looking for support from poorest African countries. Especially Eritrea - basically, it's Africa's North Korea, their dictator running country for 30 years - offcourse that their oponion on this topic really matters. What's next, Russia will look for support in North Korea? Oh, I forgot they already did it recently. Maybe next stop is Taliban?

[BADecker]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

The deeper consideration here is what the Eritrean President said at the end of the video. He referred to a new world order. Does this mean a one world government with Russia at its head?

The point is, as long as we have nations fighting throughout the world, we aren't being controlled by any one world government.

As soon a all nations stop fighting, and simply accept their land borders so that there is peace between all peoples, that will be when some trickster will step in and use all the nations to make a one world government.

Consider how tricky Zelensky is. He was a lewd comedian, with videos all over Youtube. Now he is a Stalin-like dictator.

[Branko]

Jens Stoltenberg backing Russia narrative

https://archive.is/0wj8w#selection-497.81-497.134

[DaRude]

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Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"?

Yes, people voting for that AfD party in 2023 are well aware that it's a fascist party.
In January 2022, their last "moderate" voice in a leading position (Jörg Meuthen, AfD) left AfD because according to Meuthen, AfD is unable to get rid of their fascists and he argued that these fascists have basically taken over the party. Someone from AfD should know their internal idiots.  
And AfD has not just only turned a fascist party, it's has also turned into a Putin asslicker party. So, it's not even a German patriotic party, it's a Russia loving bunch of traitors.  

You just have zero clue about German politics, German history and obviously Ukrainian history as well.
It's always amazing to have dimwits like you talking about German politics.
So, keep embarassing yourself as a clueless Putin troll and fascist friend.  

And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

LOL, you are really clueless how Hitler achieved to destroy the democratic system. He achieved it due to people like you in powerful positions underestimating Hitler and his fascist friends.  
You are so embarassing but let me give you some basic links to educate you about it:
You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen (Binging Hitler into power):

On 9 January 1933, Papen and Hindenburg agreed to form a new government that would bring in Hitler. On the evening of 22 January in a meeting at the villa of Joachim von Ribbentrop in Berlin, Papen made the concession of abandoning his claim to the chancellorship and committed to support Hitler as chancellor in a proposed "Government of National Concentration", in which Papen would serve as vice-chancellor and Minister-President of Prussia. On 23 January, Papen presented to Hindenburg his idea for Hitler to be made chancellor, while keeping him "boxed" in.

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Papen naively believed that his conservative friends' majority in the cabinet and his closeness to Hindenburg would keep Hitler in check.

So, it's 1933 again and let's just pretend, AfD is a well-behaving party and let's make a center-right coalition with them, like Franz von Papen did, when he was too naive and helped Hitler to seize power.  
You are so clueless, it really hurts.  

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

Sure, let's quote again my text from earlier:

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

It's quite interesting that you are doubling down on your Putin asslicking even if it's making no sense at all.  
We all know it's either Poland, Germany, the US, the UK, France, Sweden or Ukraine but NOT Russia.  

Isn't it embarrassing to defend Russia again and again, while you have already well realized how Russia is a big terrorist state?
Because dude, you know nothing, not about Ukrainian history, not about German history...

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

It's a mystery why idiots like you are cheering both for
- AfD, a fascist party
- Putin and his criminal regime blowing up his pipeline after it got useless due to Germany not willing to fund Putin's war

Think you need more emojis and call me more names to convince the reader to the validity of the nonsense you spew. Are you a teenage girl by any chance  , because that would explain a lot, not that there's anything wrong with that it's great that you're involving yourself in politics at such young age, I'd just have to adjust my responses accordingly in a way that should be more comprehensible to you  


As you pointed out there a lot of negative stigma associated with AfD, this creates a huge barrier for Germans to voice their disapproval. Despite that, their support keep climbing this is what we adults call trends.

Party	26Sep21	15Sep22	03Aug23
CDU/CSU	24,1%	28%	27%
AfD	10,3%	14%	21%
SPD Scholz	25,7%	17%	17%
Greens	14,8%	21%	15%

Also, it's really mean to call 21% of your population idiots, even if you don't disagree with them. Now we adults also try to explain the trends, for that we either do our own research or look to the news, something like this

Ukraine has exposed the EU’s nationalism
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Joining the EU meant that the national and popular sovereignty of these countries was immediately constrained. In the medium term, this produced a backlash against the EU, the effects of which we now see in Hungary and Poland.
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urged Europeans to unite to become a “third force” in international politics and maintain their position of power in the world. Central to this thinking was the idea of Africa as Europe’s “plantation”.
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many imagined that European integration would overcome not just national sovereignty but sovereignty in general as the EU became a kind of blueprint for global governance
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The far-Right was rising and the centre-right began to converge with it, especially on questions of identity, immigration and Islam. The policy area where this convergence between the centre-right and the far-Right played out most clearly, and with the most horrific consequences, is immigration.
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As Human Rights Watch put it recently, the EU’s policy can be summed up in three words: “let them die.”
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Thus when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, it was inevitably seen as a civilisational Other against which Europe must defend itself.
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Even as it continued to brutally push back migrants in the Mediterranean, it opened its borders to those fleeing from Ukraine and provided them with extraordinary support.
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Perhaps the most peculiar feature of the European response, though, is the way that “pro-Europeans” have suddenly embraced a nationalist movement — as the ubiquitousness of Ukrainian flags illustrates. Traditionally, “pro-Europeans” did not distinguish between ethnic-cultural and civic versions of nationalism, but saw all nationalism as a dangerous force.
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What makes the sudden “pro-European” identification with Ukrainian nationalism even stranger, however, is that it is not just any nationalism. Rather, it has a long history of anti-Semitism which extends from its 16th-century Cossack leader Bohdan Khmelnytsky to Stepan Bandera during the Second World War — both of whom are still venerated in Ukraine. Moreover, after 2014, much of the fighting in the Donbas was done by the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia that was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. Supporters of Ukraine claim that these neo-Nazi elements were later removed. But at least two of the five Azov commanders who Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky recently brought back to Ukraine as heroes are neo-Nazis who go back to the founding of Azov.
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much bigger questions, such as whether, once in the EU, Ukraine would become a larger version of Hungary and Poland.

You reap what you sow.

As far as other trends:

Ukraine and its supporters worry about losing control of the narrative
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government in Kyiv is waging a different kind of battle abroad, trying to shape how the world perceives its counteroffensive.
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Some U.S. officials privately expressed disappointment that the Ukrainians have appeared to hold back on deploying some of their most well-equipped and trained units, and that they have not necessarily applied the training principles they received. “There is a frustration that they have not used more of the combat power that they have,” one U.S. official said.
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Another senior administration official said the Biden administration and U.S. allies have given Ukraine everything it requested for the counteroffensive, including 500 tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles.
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“We are confident that they have significant combat capability available to them...” Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told reporters Thursday.
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brigade commander had pursued direct assaults during the counteroffensive in hopes of a swift victory. The army sent infantry and armored units to attack the Russian lines across uncleared minefields and without suppressing enemy fire. The brigades were shredded by opposing forces, and the commanders were severely criticized internally for the unnecessary losses.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy...said they waited “because, frankly, we had not enough munitions and armaments and not enough properly trained brigades.”
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Now, breaking through Russian lines across the dense minefields in the east and the south will almost certainly inflict high casualties on Ukrainian troops, U.S. officials and experts said.
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There is a danger that “there might be the narrative of stalemate or the narrative of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive,” he said.
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“We have launched a counteroffensive without any kind of air superiority — not in the air force, not in drones, not in helicopters. We have a little bit in terms of precision-guided artillery munitions,” said Polyakov, who works for a military think tank advising Zelenskyy. “But to talk about holding back without all these necessary components, it is ludicrous.”
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But there has been no significant change in the front lines in the war for the past nine months. Both Ukrainian and Russian forces have failed to achieve major advances, and Samuel Charap, a senior political scientist at the Rand Corp think tank, argues that neither side has a realistic chance of scoring a definitive victory. As a result, the U.S. should start preparing for an inconclusive outcome and explore options for an eventual diplomatic settlement, he said.
“It’s an indication of where things are going. There’s not going to be a decisive military outcome,” Charap said.

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia
Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia,
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Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. A poll conducted in the early days of the Russian invasion in late February 2022 found 62% who felt the US should have been doing more.
Partisan divisions have widened since that poll, too, with most Democrats and Republicans now on opposing sides of questions on the US role in Ukraine.
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When asked specifically about types of assistance the US could provide to Ukraine, there is broader support for help with intelligence gathering (63%) and military training (53%) than for providing weapons (43%), alongside very slim backing for US military forces to participate in combat operations (17%).
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Republicans broadly say that Congress should not authorize new funding (71%) and that the US has done enough to assist Ukraine (59%). Among Democrats, most say the opposite, 62% favor additional funding and 61% say that the US should do more.
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Independents mostly say the US has done enough to help Ukraine (56%) and that they oppose additional funding (55%).
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There’s an even larger partisan gap over providing weapons to Ukraine, with 61% of Democrats behind that compared with 39% of independents and just 30% of Republicans.

Americans Are Turning Against Ukraine Joining NATO
Support among U.S. voters for Ukraine joining NATO has gone down in the last three months
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in 2020 conducted on April 5 with a 2.53 percent margin of error, just over half of respondents (55 percent) said that Kyiv should join the alliance.
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a survey conducted on July 25 and 26 of the same size sample of voters, with the same margin of error, found that backing for Ukraine's membership of NATO had diminished. Support for Ukraine's membership had gone down by eight percentage points—to 47 percent, with 23 percent "strongly" supporting the move, and 29 percent neutral.
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The proportion of those opposing Ukrainian membership of NATO went up by six percent, to 16 percent

You can close your eyes and stump your feet really hard, but that's not going to change the trends, and you ignore trends at your own peril. In adult life facts don't always align with your wishful thinking regardless how unfair that makes you feel.

[BADecker]

Jens Stoltenberg backing Russia narrative

https://archive.is/0wj8w#selection-497.81-497.134

Defense spending without showing the actual results of the spending, is a very inaccurate way to show that military is getting stronger. Why? A loaf of bread used to cost a $buck. Now it costs $2 or more. With inflation, double the amount of defense spending might easily be buying a smaller defense.

[1miau]

Can you just quote properly or are you not capable of doing so, because pyramid quotes are not only decreasing readability, pyramid quotes are against forum rules as well...

As you pointed out there a lot of negative stigma associated with AfD, this creates a huge barrier for Germans to voice their disapproval. Despite that, their support keep climbing this is what we adults call trends.

Party	26Sep21	15Sep22	03Aug23
CDU/CSU	24,1%	28%	27%
AfD	10,3%	14%	21%
SPD Scholz	25,7%	17%	17%
Greens	14,8%	21%	15%

People have quite a few options here, how many options do you have in USA?
Let me guess... 2 options, where one party is following a delusional clown, who really likes to rip-off the poorly educated.  
So, stop complaining about our German voting system.  

And don't forget FDP (liberals) in your list...

Also, it's really mean to call 21% of your population idiots, even if you don't disagree with them. Now we adults also try to explain the trends, for that we either do our own research or look to the news, something like this

Well, fascists fooling the German population is nothing new or don't you remember some guy called Hitler and his party "NSDAP"?  
Have you never heard about it? Maybe you should start to do at least some basic research? No?

You can close your eyes and stump your feet really hard, but that's not going to change the trends, and you ignore trends at your own peril. In adult life facts don't always align with your wishful thinking regardless how unfair that makes you feel.

Here in Germany, most of the population doesn't like how Putler is bombing Ukrainians deliberately and support of Ukraine is even that common that it's an issue all sane parties can agree on (except commies and fascists). So, I have to disappoint you, where I'm from, we are not even close to a majority to throw Ukrainians under the bus and let Putler commit genocide against Ukrainians.

I don't know why you have obviously no issue when Putin kills Ukrainians, maybe you should consult a doctor?  

[DaRude]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

[1miau]

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Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

Dude, can you read?
The article clearly says "investigating the possibility" that it's an "boat tied to Ukrainians".
But no one really has a proof for it.
Of course, you are only interested to quote a story, where "mean Ukraine" has allegedly blown up the pipeline from an "Ukrainian boat".  
Of course, you don't mention that this story has many fallacies:

- Why should Ukraine do it like that, leaving many traces, especially ones, leading to the conclusion that Ukraine is behind it?
- The accused, private sailing boat "Andromeda" (is available for rent) is well suited (not) to do this sort of operation:



- It's totally not possible that Russian officials have ordered their agents to rent the ship, to fabricate the fake evidence to accuse Ukraine and tried to spread this weak story by brainwashed and useful Kremlin trolls like you...  

Maybe add 3 SIM cards (or SIMS 3), rumours are they have been found on the boat, too.  

Doesn't look like a deliberately fabricated Russian attempt to accuse Ukraine for you? Of course not, since you are 100% brainwashed by Russian propaganda...
It's Putins well-known strategy to sow discord, hate and uncertainty among Ukraine's allies...

[montaga]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

The deeper consideration here is what the Eritrean President said at the end of the video. He referred to a new world order. Does this mean a one world government with Russia at its head?

Well Bankers finance both sides of the war, to them it does not matter who wins.
Russia already has everything in place for the so called new world order.
Only Self-ownership ( Self sovereignty) will save your arse.

[BADecker]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

The deeper consideration here is what the Eritrean President said at the end of the video. He referred to a new world order. Does this mean a one world government with Russia at its head?

Well Bankers finance both sides of the war, to them it does not matter who wins.
Russia already has everything in place for the so called new world order.
Only Self-ownership ( Self sovereignty) will save your arse.

Russia's new world order prepping, might be something they are setting up to overthrow the current one world order of the banks. The USD is in operation around the world, except in a few small places where it doesn't matter anyway. The banking system which uses the USD is the one world order that is screwing everybody right now.

You are looking at a tiny, little picture. There isn't any self-ownership. We all can die any moment very easily from any number of causes. And most of us will never reach 100 years before we die of old age. Where is the self-ownership in any of that?

Freedom is great. But take the President for example. He presides over the US, a very freedom loving country. But there often isn't much freedom for him as he carries out his duties.

Your ideals about freedom are good. But you need to tweak them a little to see what freedom really is.

[DaRude]

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Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

Dude, can you read?
The article clearly says "investigating the possibility" that it's an "boat tied to Ukrainians".
But no one really has a proof for it.
Of course, you are only interested to quote a story, where "mean Ukraine" has allegedly blown up the pipeline from an "Ukrainian boat".  
Of course, you don't mention that this story has many fallacies:

- Why should Ukraine do it like that, leaving many traces, especially ones, leading to the conclusion that Ukraine is behind it?
- The accused, private sailing boat "Andromeda" (is available for rent) is well suited (not) to do this sort of operation:



- It's totally not possible that Russian officials have ordered their agents to rent the ship, to fabricate the fake evidence to accuse Ukraine and tried to spread this weak story by brainwashed and useful Kremlin trolls like you...  

Maybe add 3 SIM cards (or SIMS 3), rumours are they have been found on the boat, too.  

Doesn't look like a deliberately fabricated Russian attempt to accuse Ukraine for you? Of course not, since you are 100% brainwashed by Russian propaganda...
It's Putins well-known strategy to sow discord, hate and uncertainty among Ukraine's allies...

Lets see, on one side we have citations from The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal. Let's see what else can be found from WSJ and SPIEGEL

Nord Stream Sabotage Probe Turns to Clues Inside Poland
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The probe by Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office is examining why the yacht they believe was used to carry out the operation journeyed into Polish waters. Other findings suggest Poland was a hub for the logistics and financing of last September’s undersea sabotage attack that severed the strongest bond tying Berlin to Moscow.
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Taken together, the details show that the boat sailed around each of the locations where the blasts later took place—evidence that fortified investigators’ belief that the Andromeda was instrumental in last year’s destruction of the pipeline.
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German investigators say they are also looking into why the yacht was rented with the help of a travel agency based in Warsaw that appears to be part of a network of Ukrainian-owned front companies with suspected links to Ukrainian intelligence, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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Their investigation also found that a white van—sighted in a German port by security cameras and eye witnesses—carried Polish license plates and was used to supply its crew, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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In mid-May—five months after Berlin had identified the Andromeda—the two sides had what a Polish Justice Ministry official called a working meeting.
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Investigators first found the yacht following an October tip from a Western intelligence service. The information came from a person in Ukraine who gathers intelligence for a small European country. Officials in that European country have since then questioned why bigger powers with extensive surveillance capabilities and personnel in Ukraine didn’t get wind of the plot on their own—or alert others if they did.

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Poland, like many of its neighbors as well as the U.S., strongly opposed the Nord Stream pipelines, which they viewed as Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical weapon to make Europe dependent on Russian energy.
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Polish officials have acknowledged the country’s long Baltic coastline, its 320-mile border with Ukraine and its sizable population of Ukrainians offer obvious advantages for individuals staging such an operation. But these officials said the government played no role in the Nord Stream attack.
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a senior Polish national security official said. “I cannot exclude that some Polish company or whatever is involved in this case.”
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The blasts created vast bubbling geysers in the Baltic Sea that eventually released more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than the entire annual emissions of Denmark.
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Unlike with Poland, Germany has closely cooperated with those and other nations while conducting the probe. They have classified their investigations, with German officials reminded that under law they could face jail time for leaking details.

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Among the latest findings of the German investigation: The single-mast sloop, loaded with military-grade explosives, sailed south into Polish waters from the Danish island of Christianso.
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Interviews with those familiar with the Andromeda’s voyage indicate the sabotage crew had finished half of their job, laying deep-sea explosives on Nord Stream 1, the older of the undersea gas pipelines, before they set their Bavaria 50 Cruiser on a course away from their target, toward Poland.
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What investigators have established is that the Andromeda, which had days before been rented from a German company based close to where the pipelines land, sailed back north in what investigators believe was an effort to complete its task and plant mines on Nord Stream 2, the second key conduit for Russian gas exports.
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intelligence service of a European country in June 2022. That agency informed the Central Intelligence Agency that a small group of members of Ukraine’s armed forces were planning on sabotaging the pipeline that same month. The CIA passed that warning on to Germany and other allies
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Immediately after the attack, these officials set their sights on Kyiv.
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the small European country that had warned the CIA directly passed on detailed information to Germany that helped its investigators to identify the Andromeda, officials familiar with the exchange of information said. Around the same time, CIA director William Burns was asked in a meeting with a European ally whether Ukraine was responsible. “I hope not,” he said, adding that the available evidence didn’t point to Russia, according to an official with the allied country who was in the room at the time.
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Last month, German investigators took a DNA sample from the soldier’s son, who happens to live with the soldier’s former girlfriend as refugees in the eastern German city of Frankfurt an der Oder.
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The spokeswoman for the prosecutors in Germany said the investigation was working on obtaining enough evidence to issue international arrest warrants.

Indications of Ukrainian perpetrators are increasing
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There is also repeated talk of a so-called "false flag" operation by Russia. Among those familiar with the process, this is considered extremely unlikely. Behind the scenes, it was even said that early on that Moscow had no real motive for the crime.
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Prosecutor Peter Frank are now certain that the sailing yacht "Andromeda" was used for the attack.
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Fake identification documents were apparently used to hire them.
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The often-put-up thesis that the assassins could only have brought the explosives to the site of the attack because of its weight with a larger ship and possibly a mini-submarine is then no longer applicable.
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The traces found by the Federal Criminal Police Office coincide with the assessments of several intelligence services, according to which the originators are to be located in Ukraine. The secret services are now asking whether the deed could have been carried out by an uncontrolled commando or by Ukrainian secret services and to what extent parts of the Ukrainian government apparatus might have been in the know.

And the arguments on the other side is prove to me it wasn't aliens, keep all investigations secret for 50yrs+, block UN from investigating. Good tactics!

[paxmao]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

This is me waiting for your irrefutable evidence to contradict my views while you wonder around my posts - and keep quoting my "looks like" which means exactly that.

I am sorry you do not like how things work in the world, but the fact is that secret ops are secret, so no reason for you to run into baby rant. If you do not like that sometimes the truth will not be know, jump to a parallel universe where you are omniscient.

And by the wat, if you insist in judging other's credibility, start providing some sources or you will just be another of the wall-texters trolling here. As of now, you are pretty much at the bottom feeding end of the disinformation effort.

But... to things that actually matter, the breaking of the grain deal and the bombing of grain silos has fired back in the form of attacks on Ruzzian vessels. It seems that insurance costs (or even the possibility of insuring) cuts both ways.

Who is the volunteer to explain to Adolf Putin (thanks for reminding) how a country with no navy is damaging the Ruzzian ships so effectively.

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*posts nonsense*

You should read the original German sources...

Suspicious sailing yacht found : Nord Stream attack: The role of the Andromeda

With the help of a sailing yacht, the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines are said to have been carried out. ZDF Frontal has found the Andromeda. Is the one-ship thesis plausible?

After days of searching, we found it: Jacked up in an old military port on the island of Rügen, there it's in storage - the sailing yacht "Andromeda", perhaps the most political ship in the world at the moment. It is said to have played a central role in the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines in September. This was the result of new research by the ARD and the "Times".
Six people - including two divers - are said to have set sail with her from Rostock. The target: the tubes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, at depths of 70 and 88 meters, which finally exploded on September 26.

We rent a similar yacht of the charterer - the "Unsinkbar 2" - and sail with skippers to Wiek, out on the Baltic Sea. We retrace part of the path that the Andromeda - presumably loaded with explosives - is said to have taken. Can a single ship and a crew of six people commit such a complex attack? What role did the Andromeda play? The Andromeda is a 15 meter long sailing yacht, of the type Bavaria C50. Her charterer rented her out in September from the port of Rostock "Hohe Düne". From there she is said to have set off and then stopped in Wiek on Rügen. Between 16 and 18 September, she is said to have been with the Danish island of Christiansø. A few days later, the pipelines exploded nearby. Currently, the Andromeda is on land - in an old military port in Dranske on the island of Rügen. In January, German investigators had examined them and, according to the Federal Prosecutor General, found explosive remnants on a table.

Logistics, diving, explosives: what is plausible?

Logistics: Could a group of six people with just one boat have blown up the pipelines on their own? Göran Swistek, an expert in maritime security, has enormous doubts about the one-ship theory: the amount of explosives, the financial resources, the material that has to be carried, plus the approach via the points above the three explosion sites without drifting. "Presumably, other forces will have supported it. Personally, I think it's plausible that either a larger ship was involved or several."
Dive: The detonations on the three pipelines occurred at depths of 70 and 88 meters. To dive down there, you need professionals. Former NVA combat diver Wolfgang Frank calculates that he would plan an hour and a half for work at this depth: three minutes to dive to the bottom, half an hour for work at depth and one hour to slowly resurface. Then three to four hours as regeneration time. ZDF Frontal has presented him with weather data, because a low swell is crucial for diving. Waves of more than half a meter are a real challenge. The professional diver considers two periods to be realistic: September 9 and 10 and September 21-25. So it's a short span. But he says, "It's possible."
Explosives: Investigators estimate that around 500 kilograms of TNT equivalent would be needed per explosion to blow up the pipelines. It is not possible to say exactly how much was used, because it is unclear which explosives were used. But it would be extremely difficult to get something like this secretly, says cyber expert Sandro Gayken. In the Darknet, he finds offers for smaller quantities. But it is difficult to order this undetected: "Especially in the case of explosives, it is not only the police, but also the intelligence services that look into it." The chairman of the Association of Criminal Investigators also has doubts that private actors could have worried about this: "If so, then there is more evidence that these are people who are either connected to state actors or are part of these state actors."

Who could be behind the Nord Stream sabotage?

It is still unclear who the masterminds are. ARD and the Times report on a company in Poland that rented the Andromeda - two Ukrainians are said to be behind it, with contacts to other Ukrainians. The "New York Times" reports of a "pro-Ukrainian group". There are no indications of the government in Kiev. Like the United States and Russia, it strictly rejects involvement in the acts of sabotage. Is a pro-Ukrainian group behind the Nord Stream explosions?

Expert Göran Swistek doubts that a small group of people could accomplish such an act:

The Baltic Sea is heavily trafficked and the Andromeda is therefore only one of many ships that sailed over the gas pipelines at that time. On the one hand, the oil tanker "Minerva Julie", which cruised in the later explosion area for several days and regularly sailed to Russia, is a mystery. A ship of the Navy was also nearby during a period in which the weather would have cooperated. What it did there, a spokesman for the navy ZDF Frontal does not want to tell, that is secret. Only this much: No knowledge of the perpetrators could be obtained.

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/nord-stream-andromeda-segeljacht-anschlag-sabotage-ukraine-krieg-102.html

Conclusion: theory not impossible but extremely unlikely. Not proven in any way that Ukraine is behind it.

But of course, you'll still repeat your unproven claims that Ukraine is behind it (where you've no proof of) because it will inevitably lead to the conclusion that the "Ukrainian boat theory" is very, very likely fabricated from Putler's entourage...
It's really a question, why you are defending this authoritarian Putin dictator so vehemently? Want to live in Russia as well? Why not just buying a house (without windows and upper floor) in Russia? According to you, it seems to be the best country in the world or is it North Korea?