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May 19, 2024, 05:19:48 PM
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There is no news about this war anymore unless Congress will once again need to send money to Zelenski. That's the only time this war will be flashed on TV. They keep praising Ukraine is winning but their lands were taken by Russians which if you are not as updated as getting all the channels that talk about this war, you wouldn't know who is winning.

So far the only confirmed information is that Russia is already taking Kharkiv. If a person thinks independently, this info already tells the Russians are winning.
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

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https://tass.com/world/1747717

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Germany to spend 15 bn euros on support for Ukraine in 2024 alone — Scholz
According to the chancellor, more than 7 billion euros worth of weapons is envisioned in 2024 and another 6 billion euros is due in several years to come
BERLIN, February 16. /TASS/. Germany will allocate 15 billion euros to support Ukraine this year alone, including over 7 billion euros in arms supplies, Chancellor Olaf Scholz said in an interview with Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

"We will spend 15 billion euros this year alone to support Ukraine. This is a big effort," he said. According to the chancellor, more than 7 billion euros worth of weapons is envisioned in 2024 and another 6 billion euros is due in several years to come.

(Propaganda of course... this "is not true", the weapons "will not work" or will be "destroyed before they arrive" and "will not be enough". Next episode "Putin is not a fascist".

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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says

Perhaps you should let Ukraine decide what works for Ukraine and quit the pan-Slavic nationalism that never worked for anyone.

Back to where it hurts: From "Europe will freeze" to "we will just sell gas to China" and finally "Uppps we are broke".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-loss-shows-struggle-fill-eu-gas-sales-gap-with-china-2024-05-13/

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Gazprom loss shows struggle to fill EU gas sales gap with China
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Kremlin-owned energy kingpin Gazprom (GAZP.MM), opens new tab, once Russia's most profitable company, could face a long period of poor performance as it struggles to fill the gap of lost European gas sales with its domestic market and Chinese exports.
The company recently announced an annual net loss of $7 billion, its first since 1999, following a steep decline in trade with Europe.
Gazprom's troubles reflect the deep impact the European sanctions have had on Russia's gas industry, as well as the limitations of Moscow's growing partnership with China.

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Gazprom plans to sell its North Sea assets at a starting price of 344 mln euros — company
Applications can be submitted from March 1, the date of bidding and announcement of the winner is June 6, 2024
MOSCOW, March 1. /TASS/. Gazprom plans to sell its assets in the North Sea, the initial price of assets is 344 mln euros, the company announced in a statement.

Gazprom International Limited has launched a competitive procedure for the sale of assets by placing the corresponding application on the electronic trading platform of Gazprombank. Applications can be submitted from March 1, the date of bidding and announcement of the winner is June 6, 2024. In particular, the company plans to sell 50% in a joint venture with Wintershall Dea Nederland Asset Holding B.V. in the company Wintershall Noordzee B.V (WINZ) and 100% in the subsidiary Gazprom International UK Limited, which owns a share in the consortium to develop the Sillimanite deposit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/economy/comments/1cp4oq0/putins_crown_jewel_forced_into_fire_sale_amid/

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Putin's crown jewel forced into fire sale amid record losses. Gazprom, the energy giant at the heart of Russia's economy, has announced it is selling property in Moscow, one week after posting record losses linked to restricted supplies to Europe due to Putin's invasion of Ukraine.





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May 19, 2024, 07:28:46 PM
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Even influential MSM in UK admit its west proxy war in Ukraine...lets give paxmao few more months, I guess:

https://twitter.com/themacrostory/status/1792060655144665581

“Putin & Xi Jinping's show of combined strength, rise of Russian-style policies in Georgia, serve as a timely reminder to Ukraine's allies. Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.
 If the West weakens its resolve, Russia and China will resist more strongly what they called last week "the so-called dual containment of our countries."


meanwhile, support of Ukraine war costs Italy its crown jewels:

https://www.barrons.com/news/buried-in-massive-debt-italy-puts-crown-jewels-up-for-sale-9d7ff176

UK doesn't fare better, it seems

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11454513/Tesco-puts-security-tags-four-pint-cartons-milk-cost-living-crisis-drives-shoplifting.html

Keep that money pouring into corrupt Ukraine
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May 19, 2024, 09:48:54 PM
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says

Perhaps you should let Ukraine decide what works for Ukraine and quit the pan-Slavic nationalism that never worked for anyone.

Back to where it hurts: From "Europe will freeze" to "we will just sell gas to China" and finally "Uppps we are broke".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-loss-shows-struggle-fill-eu-gas-sales-gap-with-china-2024-05-13/


Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago

Russia’s oil revenue more than doubled in April from a year earlier, despite international sanctions intended to limit the flow of money to fuel President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine.
Proceeds for the Russian budget from oil-related taxes jumped to 1.053 trillion rubles ($11.5 billion) last month compared to nearly 497 billion rubles in April 2023, according to Bloomberg calculations based on Finance Ministry data. Total oil and gas revenues in April increased nearly 90% year-on-year, to 1.23 trillion rubles, according to the data.
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Roll Eyes thought we all agreed that the idea that China would let Russia financially collapse was just silly and would go against everything we've seen happening so far

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May 19, 2024, 10:00:32 PM
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Roll Eyes thought we all agreed that the idea that China would let Russia financially collapse was just silly and would go against everything we've seen happening so far

Even sane Putin opponents know that

https://youtu.be/9nVxWDblwvw

although in the end of video he's trying to scare EU for his own gain
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Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago
[...]

Yes, Ukraine may now be able to fix that along next year with "weapons that do not work" and "are not useful", "do not change anything", etc... But, and this is the big but, it cannot be before the US elections. People do not vote for leaders that make their life more expensive. Elections are in November. I am sure you can figure out along with your trolls in the farm when the veto is no longer.

BTW funny how the same source may say two different things time with just 8 days of difference.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-14/russia-s-oil-exports-fall-to-their-lowest-level-in-two-months

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Russia’s Seaborne Crude Exports Plunge to a Two-Month Low

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Oil-Exports-Plunged-to-a-5-Month-Low-in-April.html

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Russia’s Oil Exports Plunged to a 5-Month Low in April

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-15/russian-oil-revenue-hit-as-exports-drop-to-5-month-low-iea-says

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Russian Oil Revenue Hit as Exports Drop to 5-Month Low, IEA Says

Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.

Once again, accusing the other player on the table to be better at cheating? Who made Ukraine a proxy? Who took Crimea in 2014 and the f**k did Ruzzia think was going to happen after? Well... what ever Putin thought, he got it wrong.


Is this the humour pages?

If so, I got a better joke... how does a Ruzzian soldier surrender? By asking the drone for mercy:

https://t.me/officer_alex33/2831


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Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago
[...]

Yes, Ukraine may now be able to fix that along next year with "weapons that do not work" and "are not useful", "do not change anything", etc... But, and this is the big but, it cannot be before the US elections. People do not vote for leaders that make their life more expensive. Elections are in November. I am sure you can figure out along with your trolls in the farm when the veto is no longer.

BTW funny how the same source may say two different things time with just 8 days of difference.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-14/russia-s-oil-exports-fall-to-their-lowest-level-in-two-months

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Russia’s Seaborne Crude Exports Plunge to a Two-Month Low

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Oil-Exports-Plunged-to-a-5-Month-Low-in-April.html

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Russia’s Oil Exports Plunged to a 5-Month Low in April

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-15/russian-oil-revenue-hit-as-exports-drop-to-5-month-low-iea-says

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Russian Oil Revenue Hit as Exports Drop to 5-Month Low, IEA Says

Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.

Once again, accusing the other player on the table to be better at cheating? Who made Ukraine a proxy? Who took Crimea in 2014 and the f**k did Ruzzia think was going to happen after? Well... what ever Putin thought, he got it wrong.


Is this the humour pages?

If so, I got a better joke... how does a Ruzzian soldier surrender? By asking the drone for mercy:

https://t.me/officer_alex33/2831



Will Ukraine survive till November? How many more soldiers do you think Zelenskyy is willing to loose to play in US politics?

It gets even funnier if you read the whole thing
Shipments from the Baltic terminals, which were in line with a partial loading program for May seen by Bloomberg, may reflect deeper output cuts promised by Moscow to its partners in the OPEC+ group of oil producers.
Weekly shipments were about 270,000 barrels a day below a target for this month that’s part of the OPEC+ alliance’s broader effort to curb supplies and support prices. The four-week average was about 10,000 barrels a day below target.
The Kremlin also agreed to make deeper cuts to oil production, trimming volumes to about 9.1 million barrels a day from April. Output was cut by about 150,000 barrels a day last month, according to figures published by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Moscow still missed its goal though, pumping about 319,000 barrels a day more than agreed, according to Bloomberg calculations based on official Russian data.

It's almost as if Moscow is punishing Biden, and Ukraine is helping them  

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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

Cool

Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

Cool

Under that logic the investors and the most powerful companies on the planet would be looking forward to establish their headquarters in north Korea, that won't happen only because it is a small nation with advanced nukes. It does not make sense in any way.

Also, because of the sanctions Russia has been selling oil and gas under the price of the market to clients in countries with a high rate of energy consumption, like India and China. I even recall India benefited from it by buying Russian oil and reselling at international prices to Europe and United States, that means Russia has lost significant amounts of cash and liquidity because it has started to get excluded from the rest of the planet. Again, it was not for China (which is an actual super power) the weak Russian economy would be already underground and with negative numbers.
Having nukes does not mean a country is a economically powerful country, even a banana republic like Cuba could have managed to have their own nuclear weapons with the backing of the Soviet Union back in the day.

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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

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Under that logic the investors and the most powerful companies on the planet would be looking forward to establish their headquarters in north Korea, that won't happen only because it is a small nation with advanced nukes. It does not make sense in any way.

Also, because of the sanctions Russia has been selling oil and gas under the price of the market to clients in countries with a high rate of energy consumption, like India and China. I even recall India benefited from it by buying Russian oil and reselling at international prices to Europe and United States, that means Russia has lost significant amounts of cash and liquidity because it has started to get excluded from the rest of the planet. Again, it was not for China (which is an actual super power) the weak Russian economy would be already underground and with negative numbers.
Having nukes does not mean a country is a economically powerful country, even a banana republic like Cuba could have managed to have their own nuclear weapons with the backing of the Soviet Union back in the day.


Financial expansionism, so Russia is forced to pick between NATO expanding to Ukraine with cookies, or Russia being labeled as an invader. How much acting one would need to do to pretend to be surprised by Russia's choice? It's hard to think of a better example to feel morally justified to start never ending wars to change your sphere of influence. Just need to find a cooperating leader willing to sacrifice his own population for you.

Sanctions are always two sided, think we all see how well they're working with Russia, China and Europe. Sure, if China were complete idiots and would just sit there and quietly wait for their commie regime to be taken down next, things would've actually worked out for the "west" and we'd have a one world government. Now i would expect such plan from a 5th grader but when third-highest ranking US diplomat tries to pull that off I get scared for our planet.


Now this cookie monster (Nuland) has nothing to loose, so she's doubling down by trying to set the precedent for Russia to send their missiles to Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan/Lybia while not being able to hold Russia responsible for their use (after we send them missiles those countries are free to do with them as they please logic). Next we all get to act surprised when those countries wipe out few US/UK bases still stationed on their land with those Russian missiles. After that, we get to watch these clowns in a circus again claim how Russia is bad, and as if no one could've possibly predicted such obvious outcome. What a great plan, what could possibly go wrong, they should all get raises with bonuses for that  Roll Eyes

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May 20, 2024, 07:16:56 PM
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There is no news about this war anymore unless Congress will once again need to send money to Zelenski. That's the only time this war will be flashed on TV. They keep praising Ukraine is winning but their lands were taken by Russians which if you are not as updated as getting all the channels that talk about this war, you wouldn't know who is winning.

So far the only confirmed information is that Russia is already taking Kharkiv. If a person thinks independently, this info already tells the Russians are winning.
I'm not really sure from where did you made this narrative that western media is praising Ukraine like they're winning. Probably you see what you want to see.
Russia is taking Kharkiv, really? I think there is big difference between taking Kharkiv and taking few villages in Kharkiv Oblast by the border with Russia.

I don't know but from what I see in world news no one cares more that much about this war and this has passed in 2nd page,in the front page of the news now there is Israeli war against Palestine which many claims they are bypassing every single limit in what is a war of defense,many are protesting yet the Israelis claims they have the right to defend the attack that happened in the 7 October and for many they are also right.I am neutral in such war but what I want to emphasize is that most people in the world now are more interested as what Israeli backed by US is doing rather than having again interest in a war longer than 2 years now in Ukraine which we don't know how will end.The world is becoming a very vomiting place as these wars has a clear intention both of them,ethnic cleansing and land claiming.
I actually would be surprised if whole world would be following  it like they did in first  weeks of war. Unfortunately, new about it become routine for most of people. Even Ukrainians are getting tired from this war

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May 20, 2024, 08:26:47 PM
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Unconfirmed by evidence, but claimed: The only missile carrying ship left in Sebastopol, Project 22800 Karakurt, is reported as either sunk or damaged. I will be seeking further evidence of confirmation from the sources that usually provide evidence. For now, it is enough to say that this matches the latest increase in strategic capabilities shown by Ukraine during the last week of long range attacks.

If confirmed, this means no Kalibr in Sebastopol. This also means Ukraine has the larger warhead version of ATACAMS with 470 pound.

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Refinery in Slavyansk-na-Kubani has been stopped after overnight drone attack
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In the village of Kushchevskaya, Krasnodar Krai, UAVs are attacking a military airfield
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Fire at the oil depot in Vyborg after explosions were reported in the city

From north to south. Also, scalps attacks in Luhansk have been observed.

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Oh, that's lovely. Unfortunately, I think you know much more about handlers than me. It would be very unlikely that you could tell your own ass (or arse, whichever you shall prefer) from your mouth checking my writing.

As far as defending hereditary rulers anywhere... sufficient to say that I think that inheritance is a problem, in general.

Now, off the troll mud, into the images o... oh, wait, why don't you use your "analytic skills" to tell me how many MIG-31, which can no longer be produced, might have been destroyed by those "not useful western weapons"?

Massive Ukrainian drone attack on Crimea causes power cutoffs in Sevastopol
In images taken by US satellite imaging company BlackSky and space technology firm Maxar, two jets can be seen burned out on the main flight line at Belbek, in addition to a third parked on a protective embankment. The satellite images also show a destroyed building nearby and another which has taken significant damage.

ations in Crimea. I think more attacks were "repelled" and more weapons "did not work".


This is the fourth or fifth attack by the Atamcs, and the first successful one. I suspect they used the Russian tactic of a combination of drones and ballistic missiles.
 Iran attacked Israel with the same. Both sides are learning. According to my estimates, the Atamcs are mostly shot (about 20 pieces per attack, 4-5 attacks) -
maybe they have a supply for a strike or two and then a new round of whining and begging starts.
They did some damage and made the media happy, but the war will not be reversed.
2 MIGs 31 were destroyed - 245 remained.
Total cost of attacks around 150m USD
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Oh, that's lovely. Unfortunately, I think you know much more about handlers than me. It would be very unlikely that you could tell your own ass (or arse, whichever you shall prefer) from your mouth checking my writing.

As far as defending hereditary rulers anywhere... sufficient to say that I think that inheritance is a problem, in general.

Now, off the troll mud, into the images o... oh, wait, why don't you use your "analytic skills" to tell me how many MIG-31, which can no longer be produced, might have been destroyed by those "not useful western weapons"?

Massive Ukrainian drone attack on Crimea causes power cutoffs in Sevastopol
In images taken by US satellite imaging company BlackSky and space technology firm Maxar, two jets can be seen burned out on the main flight line at Belbek, in addition to a third parked on a protective embankment. The satellite images also show a destroyed building nearby and another which has taken significant damage.

ations in Crimea. I think more attacks were "repelled" and more weapons "did not work".


This is the fourth or fifth attack by the Atamcs, and the first successful one. I suspect they used the Russian tactic of a combination of drones and ballistic missiles.
 Iran attacked Israel with the same. Both sides are learning. According to my estimates, the Atamcs are mostly shot (about 20 pieces per attack, 4-5 attacks) -
maybe they have a supply for a strike or two and then a new round of whining and begging starts.
They did some damage and made the media happy, but the war will not be reversed.
2 MIGs 31 were destroyed - 245 remained.
Total cost of attacks around 150m USD

Can you justify the numbers or is one of those things you got whispered by Stalin in your dreams? But just to follow the argument:

- It is obvious to anyone, but the only damage were not two Mig 31 and two SUs. Refineries, one ship (possibly two), runways, fuel... even taken your "figure" I am sure the US is comfortable if not super-happy with the ROI of this (Return on Investment) of the Ukrainian aid. Conservatively x20 I would say.

- 245 Mig-31 to go, so 100 attacks, no problem. There are also plenty of ATACAMS left. And good to know there is a figure out there saying Ruzzia has 245 left (probably half not even operational). What is clear is that whatever number they have, it cannot increase.

- But what is important is that any Mig31 or any other platform placed close enough to intercept an F16 will have to be in ATACAMS range. So... you choice, planes that are useless or planes that get destroyed (again, with no replacement).

Oh, I love how you compare Israel military capabilities and their air defence with Ruzzia's. Is a joke right? A minuscule country with 3 layers of air defence and the support of an allied fleet of the outmost sophistication compared to.. well, Ruzzia. I think this time all your answer is pure hopium.

I think Ukraine is playing a perfectly valid strategy. It hurts economically, it hurts logistics, greatly diminishes the strategic options, damages the tenability of Crimea,  it creates dilemmas rather than problems that can be solved,... this is much better that sending Bradleys head on to minefields without air support.

Today...

- Ruzzia bombed Ruzzia in Belgorod region (Shevekina). Seems like the gliding bombs have a few "duds" here and there and explode in Ruzzian territory.
- French SCAPLS were used in a successful attack in a military base in the Luhansk region https://t.me/channel24_ua/133409






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Washington is pushing for WW3. Is this what we really want? Note that it is Zelensky that will soon be marching through Berlin, London, and maybe even New York, if Russia is conquered. (Video available)


The Vietnamization of Ukraine



https://ronpaulinstitute.org/the-vietnamization-of-ukraine/
Over the weekend, former US State Department official Victoria Nuland told ABC News that the US must help facilitate Ukrainian missile attacks deep inside Russian territory. The Biden Administration has to this point avoided involvement in such attacks, likely because Russian president Vladimir Putin has warned that Russia will strike any facility that supplies or facilitates strikes inside of Russia, wherever they may be.

It's a clear warning from a nuclear power, but as Nuland and her fellow neocons see their Ukraine project failing, they demand escalation. This is just what they did in their previous disastrous projects like the Iraq War, the attacks on Syria and Libya, and the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan. For them the failure is never because it was a bad idea in the first place, but that not enough lives and resources were poured into that bad idea to create a good outcome.

But Russia is no Iraq nor is it Libya. This time they are playing with World War III and nuclear destruction and no one in DC seems concerned.

Last Thursday the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Charles Q. Brown, said that NATO trainers deployed within Ukraine was inevitable. "We'll get there eventually, over time," he said. This, of course, is exactly how we got the Vietnam War, but Russia in 2024 is hardly late -1950s Vietnam. Russia of today is a country that can fight back and can project military power all the way to the source, which means the United States.

Is Nuland's Ukraine project worth dying in a nuclear war over?

The whole US involvement in this proxy war has been based on lie after lie. They said we had to help Ukraine defeat Russia because democracy itself was at stake. Then Ukrainian president Zelensky cancelled elections, so they told us we have to help Ukraine defeat Russia because Putin won't stop there – he'll soon be marching through Berlin, London, and maybe even New York!
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