Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[DaRude]

I am saying exactly what I said, there are many draft dodgers in Ruzzia and they pay their way out by bribing doctors, university officials or anyone in between. That Ruzzia has to pay staggering sums to get people to go to the front, that some regions meet the quota by bringing people from other poorer regions and sign them in in their region (namely Moscow, St Petersbourgh).

There is a reason why Ruzzia pay up-front... many of them do not last the first month or do not get their salaries ever. Ruzzia needs to dump 30.000 recruits to the meatgrinder just to keep things as they are. Ruzzia is paying to wage a war that is profoundly anti-economic. A massive waste of money and humans.

Re morale, etc... nothing to add, I already said that people who fight do so for a reason and they are there. I know Putin believed their intelligence officers and thought that the government in Ukraine was just for show and people did not care (as they no longer care in Ruzzia). At this point, even you should have figured out that it is not.

BTW the F16 are allowed to shoot at whatever looks like a Ruzzia plane getting too close to Ukraine, wherever they are.

On your cookies reference, same question, same answer: cookies do not hold an army in the front (again, waiting for proof of anything you have said about whoever you think did whatever you think he/she did).
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So you're admitting to making a negative claim against Russia without mentioning that Ukraine is in far far worse position on that exact stat?

What are the people that get kidnapped in those military buses, or those that get caught trying to escape from Ukraine and then get sent to the frontlines are fighting for? What's more preferential for a country, forcing unwilling civilians to front lines, or financially incentivizing soldiers to sign up? The U.S. Army is offering its largest bonus ever for new recruits with up to $50,000 available to qualified individuals who sign on for a six-year active-duty enlistment. Is that not capitalism?

In response to a journalist's question about the US imposition of taboos on Ukrainian strikes within Russian territory, the American official confirmed that the US stance remains unchanged, even after Ukraine received its first batch of F-16 fighter jets from Western partners.

Day 896 taboos remain in place, why remove them if UA leadership is willing to sacrifice more Ukrainians and can just lower conscription age again and keep on fighting Russia.

Ukraine's desperate need for soldiers spurs exodus of young men...But in the two and a half years since then, Ukraine has tightened security — not to keep Russians out, but Ukrainian men in.

[BADecker]

When you become aware of the current talks between the US and Russia, and that they involve giving orders to Ukraine, you can see that this whole war just might be a sham, designed to hide deeper things from the eyes of the world.

More and more it seems that the Zelensky promoted 'isolationism' regarding peace talks, has been a Zelensky thing all along. Sure, the US might have been in favor of it in some ways, but the US, even in light of the sanctions, has always been talking to Russia and China. Finally Zelensky is breaking down and pushing the idea of Ukraine talking to others... even Russia.


Look Who's Talking: America, Russia, Ukraine, China, and Palestine


https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/look-whos-talking-america-russia-ukraine-china-and-palestine/
At the beginning of August, the United States and Russia completed a prisoner exchange. The Western media obsessed over two details. One being the fact that it was the biggest prisoner exchange between the U.S. and Russia since the end of the Cold War. And second, that there was a gaping moral inequivalence between Putin and the prisoners he got back compared with the West and the prisoners they got back.

But there are two more significant details that the Western media ignored. The first is that the U.S. and Russia have practically not talked at all since the war in Ukraine began. During the Cold War, the two sides frequently communicated. Whereas during the Ukraine war, the lines of communication have been cut.

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Once again showing the motivation to talk to Russia, in an interview last month, Zelensky said, “I feel that not all territories should be regained by hand or with weapons. I believe this will take a long time and involve a significant number of people. And I think this is a bad thing. As a result, I believe we might retake our territories diplomatically.”
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[paxmao]

Edit to add latest news on Ukrainian "special military operation" in Kust -  advances of 7 km in depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4NkYrh6kns

I am saying exactly what I said, there are many draft dodgers in Ruzzia and they pay their way out by bribing doctors, university officials or anyone in between. That Ruzzia has to pay staggering sums to get people to go to the front, that some regions meet the quota by bringing people from other poorer regions and sign them in in their region (namely Moscow, St Petersbourgh).

There is a reason why Ruzzia pay up-front... many of them do not last the first month or do not get their salaries ever. Ruzzia needs to dump 30.000 recruits to the meatgrinder just to keep things as they are. Ruzzia is paying to wage a war that is profoundly anti-economic. A massive waste of money and humans.

Re morale, etc... nothing to add, I already said that people who fight do so for a reason and they are there. I know Putin believed their intelligence officers and thought that the government in Ukraine was just for show and people did not care (as they no longer care in Ruzzia). At this point, even you should have figured out that it is not.

BTW the F16 are allowed to shoot at whatever looks like a Ruzzia plane getting too close to Ukraine, wherever they are.

On your cookies reference, same question, same answer: cookies do not hold an army in the front (again, waiting for proof of anything you have said about whoever you think did whatever you think he/she did).
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So you're admitting to making a negative claim against Russia without mentioning that Ukraine is in far far worse position on that exact stat?

What are the people that get kidnapped in those military buses, or those that get caught trying to escape from Ukraine and then get sent to the frontlines are fighting for? What's more preferential for a country, forcing unwilling civilians to front lines, or financially incentivizing soldiers to sign up?
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I cannot answer for what I do not say. Your interpretation is yours to justify and your claims yours to prove ... The exodus from Ukraine AND Ruzzia (as usual you only tell one side of the story, so let me help you with that) is know since the beginning of the war... years old news. The article says hundreds of thousands... it is actually closer to 2.5 million.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65790759

Why are people leaving Russia, who are they, and where are they going?
4 June 2023

When President Putin announced a military mobilisation last September, thousands of Russians rushed to the border. Hundreds of thousands of Russians are estimated to have left their country since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. We look at who they are, where they are going, and why they are leaving.

Svetlana is in her early 30s and originally from a small town. She moved to Moscow at 18 to study physics at university. After graduation she worked as a product manager for various companies.
"I never thought I'd have to leave, I planned to retire in Moscow," she says, "I love Russia and I enjoyed my life."
Russians had been leaving even before the Ukraine war, including those who disagreed with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014 and with new laws that made it easier to punish dissent. Many settled in the Baltic states and other EU countries, as well as in Georgia.
For Svetlana, the full-scale invasion of Ukraine of 2022 was a turning point.
"When the war started, I realised that it would not be over soon and also that people would not come out to protest. I felt both emotionally and rationally it made sense to leave," she says. She is now in Belgrade, Serbia's capital. "I wanted to put as great a distance between myself and the authorities as possible."
Many Russians shared her feelings and what had been a trickle turned into a stream.

As said, if there were no support for mobilisation and an army that believes in what they are doing, by now Ukraine would not exist. It is Putin's and the FSB mistake to think that it was not going to happen. As said, if there were popular support for the war in Ruzzia, volunteers would be flocking for any pay. This is Putin's war in Ruzzia, but it is clearly Ukraine's war in Ukraine. If some individuals break the law, they will be detained like anywhere else.

For example, in Ruzzia is illegal to hold a white paper or to not hold anything, so if you hold a white paper you are detained. If you protest against the war... you get sent to the front.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-protest-arrests/25324619.html

Russians Detained For Holding Up 'Invisible Placards'

Speaking of which, it seems that Ukraine has invaded Ruzzia. I guess they are trying to create a buffer zone to make sure Putin does not invade again by "surprise". I know this sounds like a joke, but it is not. Even Ruzzian sources are confirming Ukraine's advance in Kurst Oblast with at least one locality encircled now.


RE f16... yes... do not worry, they are not allowed to shoot, just as ATACAMS could not be used inside Ruzzia (wink wink).

[Mrbuck]

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

Just without taking any sides pure objective judgement:

To invade other countries its allowed.
Putin only went on this because he was sure that ukraine not in nato and not in Europe Union so the west not gona support ukraine so much.
If country not in alliance with anyone then it can be taken by stronger that's how the UK france and other colonial invavaders done in history.
If Putin was taking ukraine faster and ukraine had not Western help then it was more easy and not so much suffering for ukraine people.
The average person really don't care If he ruled by russia or ukraine the goverment is just goverment.
But what was better before war in ukraine anyways ?
Nothing really.
But the point here is Putin did not know that Western countries Will help someone who is not officially ally of them ...so this show's to china and russia that Western countries don't count on any agreements.
It show's to all the world that nothing counts...today we say one things tomorrow it can be changed what ever way is most beneficial that will be choosen.

[magistrator]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

[DaRude]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

[codIuni]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

Super, well done Ukrainians.

[DaRude]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

Super, well done Ukrainians.

Too early to judge, if the effort somehow manages to destabilize Russia and materialize into something like Prigozhin's march on Moscow, then this gamble will pay off for Ukraine. If after pulling much needed reserves from the frontlines only to waste them on Russian land, and once again just retreat back behind the border in few days, then this long shot also serves its purpose. Politicians need to be able to claim that "we gave it all we had" before conceding in tough negotiations, and it also solves the problem of the staunchest opponents to negotiations, one way or the other. Don't want to negotiate, well here's your chance to prove yourself or STFU. Too much propaganda has been shoved down people's throats to now be able to backpedal and start negotiations without some sort of a climax event.

[paxmao]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-kursk-region-putin-b2593051.html

War monitor the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Ukrainian soldiers had penetrated more than six miles (10km) across the border, breaking through two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.

Russia declared a state of emergency amid the fierce fighting, despite seeking to claim that the situation was under control. Russian state media said that 3,000 people have been evacuated from the area.

This does not look "suicidal" to me. You know... compared to what Ruzzia has to throw in the meat grinder for an equivalent result, one would say that you are trying to make it look the opposite. Just saying.

Let's face it: Ruzzia has been caught on the wrong foot... by a lot.

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

Just without taking any sides pure objective judgement:

To invade other countries its allowed.
Putin only went on this because he was sure that ukraine not in nato and not in Europe Union so the west not gona support ukraine so much.
If country not in alliance with anyone then it can be taken by stronger that's how the UK france and other colonial invavaders done in history.
If Putin was taking ukraine faster and ukraine had not Western help then it was more easy and not so much suffering for ukraine people.
The average person really don't care If he ruled by russia or ukraine the goverment is just goverment.
But what was better before war in ukraine anyways ?
Nothing really.
But the point here is Putin did not know that Western countries Will help someone who is not officially ally of them ...so this show's to china and russia that Western countries don't count on any agreements.
It show's to all the world that nothing counts...today we say one things tomorrow it can be changed what ever way is most beneficial that will be choosen.

Firstly, do not assume that Ukrainians do not mind if they are under Ruzzia or can partner with the EU. It is a completely life-changing decision in liberties, economy, growth,... Under Ruzzia, only Ruzzia gains (and only some in Ruzzia).

I am afraid your "objective judgement" is not really objective. It is obvious that if the war ends less people will die TODAY, but if Putin gets good profit from invading other countries more people will die TOMORROW, because he will interpret that invading is profitable and other countries will not do anything.

Ruzzia invades a recognised country in 2014, just taking the whole Crimea. No reaction. Putin invades Ukraine with the intention of taking all the rest. There is a reaction and Putin has to throw everything they have for little gain.

See the difference in incentives for a future invasion?

[DaRude]

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-kursk-region-putin-b2593051.html

War monitor the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Ukrainian soldiers had penetrated more than six miles (10km) across the border, breaking through two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.

Russia declared a state of emergency amid the fierce fighting, despite seeking to claim that the situation was under control. Russian state media said that 3,000 people have been evacuated from the area.

This does not look "suicidal" to me. You know... compared to what Ruzzia has to throw in the meat grinder for an equivalent result, one would say that you are trying to make it look the opposite. Just saying.

Let's face it: Ruzzia has been caught on the wrong foot... by a lot.

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Yes yes ingenious war tactic, when you're already stretched thin and giving up territory every day just collect your reserves and throw them in an attack (cause everyone knows you loose less troops when attacking right ) Odd that Zaluzhnyi hasn't done that before, if he had, this would've already been over by now. Totally rational to call it a win even before we find out if UA can hold it for more than 98hrs, you're like UA;s cheerleader squad whatever UA does is totally amazing and a right decision, why, because you're unable to say otherwise and don't even attempt to appear remotely objective

[LTU_btc]

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

I'm wondering what's the goal of this operation. There is huge gas station in Sudzha where it's transitted to Europe through Ukraine, it's important object.
There is theory that Ukraine can try to take Kursk nuclear power plant, it's about 70km from border. Not sure how real this scenario can be. But it's obvious that Russia wasn't ready for this operation.

[paxmao]

Edit to update: Ukraine is 40 km deep in Putin's Ruzzia (some claim). Troop are 25 km from Kursk, 20 from the nearby Kurskaya nuclear power-plant. This is day 3 of this new offensive direction.

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-kursk-region-putin-b2593051.html

War monitor the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Ukrainian soldiers had penetrated more than six miles (10km) across the border, breaking through two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.

Russia declared a state of emergency amid the fierce fighting, despite seeking to claim that the situation was under control. Russian state media said that 3,000 people have been evacuated from the area.

This does not look "suicidal" to me. You know... compared to what Ruzzia has to throw in the meat grinder for an equivalent result, one would say that you are trying to make it look the opposite. Just saying.

Let's face it: Ruzzia has been caught on the wrong foot... by a lot.

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Yes yes ingenious war tactic, when you're already stretched thin and giving up territory every day just collect your reserves and throw them in an attack (cause everyone knows you loose less troops when attacking right ) Odd that Zaluzhnyi hasn't done that before, if he had, this would've already been over by now. Totally rational to call it a win even before we find out if UA can hold it for more than 98hrs, you're like UA;s cheerleader squad whatever UA does is totally amazing and a right decision, why, because you're unable to say otherwise and don't even attempt to appear remotely objective

Oh, sure, sure... bad idea, bad tactic meat grinder, reserves... all the buzz words, but at the end of the day Ukraine has freed from Putin a good chunk of Ruzzian land in just a couple of days. If you want it back come take it or... trade it for something Ukraine likes. Keep on you accomplished military genius, move your beers in the troll farm bar and imagine winning imaginary wars.

Meanwhile, surrender of the untrained border troops has been filmed in-mass - again, want them back? I will update on this, it is starting to look embarrasing for Ruzzia to have such a lassitude in defence and I would not want you to miss the opportunity to say something stupid again.

[BADecker]

Russia: Zelensky Is A “War Criminal” And A “Legitimate Military Target” - https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/russia-zelensky-is-a-war-criminal-and-a-legitimate-military-target


Russia’s Medvedev Says It Should “Go Further” Against Ukraine


https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/russias-medvedev-says-it-should-go-further-against-ukraine
“From this moment, the special military operation should become openly exterritorial in nature,” Dmitry Medvedev, who serves as deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, argued in a post on Thursday. Medvedev has long been a proponent of finishing off Ukraine in the war as a way to quickly bring it to an end and achieve Russia’s goals.

Medvedev, a Ukraine conflict hardliner, said the “terrorist operation” in Kursk Region should “remove any taboo” on declarin[/i]g publicly that the Russian forces “will only stop when we consider it acceptable and beneficial for us.”
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[DaRude]

Edit to update: Ukraine is 40 km deep in Putin's Ruzzia (some claim). Troop are 25 km from Kursk, 20 from the nearby Kurskaya nuclear power-plant. This is day 3 of this new offensive direction.

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-kursk-region-putin-b2593051.html

War monitor the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Ukrainian soldiers had penetrated more than six miles (10km) across the border, breaking through two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.

Russia declared a state of emergency amid the fierce fighting, despite seeking to claim that the situation was under control. Russian state media said that 3,000 people have been evacuated from the area.

This does not look "suicidal" to me. You know... compared to what Ruzzia has to throw in the meat grinder for an equivalent result, one would say that you are trying to make it look the opposite. Just saying.

Let's face it: Ruzzia has been caught on the wrong foot... by a lot.

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Yes yes ingenious war tactic, when you're already stretched thin and giving up territory every day just collect your reserves and throw them in an attack (cause everyone knows you loose less troops when attacking right ) Odd that Zaluzhnyi hasn't done that before, if he had, this would've already been over by now. Totally rational to call it a win even before we find out if UA can hold it for more than 98hrs, you're like UA;s cheerleader squad whatever UA does is totally amazing and a right decision, why, because you're unable to say otherwise and don't even attempt to appear remotely objective

Oh, sure, sure... bad idea, bad tactic meat grinder, reserves... all the buzz words, but at the end of the day Ukraine has freed from Putin a good chunk of Ruzzian land in just a couple of days. If you want it back come take it or... trade it for something Ukraine likes. Keep on you accomplished military genius, move your beers in the troll farm bar and imagine winning imaginary wars.

Meanwhile, surrender of the untrained border troops has been filmed in-mass - again, want them back? I will update on this, it is starting to look embarrasing for Ruzzia to have such a lassitude in defence and I would not want you to miss the opportunity to say something stupid again.

Easy way to spot propaganda is they have to claim that whatever happens, surely happens for the best, and any outcome is surely to your benefit, you're unable to even discuss any costs, downsides or risks. On the contrary my argument is that this doesn't make any military sense, but potentially can destabilize the regime with some rogue general like with Prigozhin so it's a psyop, build up internal pressure on Putin so that his hawks will demand to rush troops from Kharkov to free Russian land right away. If Ukraine manages to hold on to this land when negotiations start, or Russia moves it's troop away from Kharkov i will concede that this was a smart move before negotiations, on the other hand if Russia doesn't overreact and UA retreats in few days this would be a breaking point for Ukraine. But you're unable to do that, you're just parroting how amazing it is that few thousands soldiers with tanks were able to overrun some border guards, on a thousand km border. Goals and outcome of this mission doesn't really fit into your propaganda, does it?

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

I'm wondering what's the goal of this operation. There is huge gas station in Sudzha where it's transitted to Europe through Ukraine, it's important object.
There is theory that Ukraine can try to take Kursk nuclear power plant, it's about 70km from border. Not sure how real this scenario can be. But it's obvious that Russia wasn't ready for this operation.

I just don't get that argument, Ukraine is fully capable of stopping the transit from their side, what's the point of capturing gas station on Russian territory just to stop transmitting gas through Ukraine  
NPP also doesn't make much sense either, little upside ton of liability, UA wont be able to benefit from it for this winter, and there's no shortage of power in RU and RU should be able to cope with a loss of one NPP pretty easy, plus would be a silly thing to do when you don't even have enough manpower to hold the line in Donbas.

Don't look for a military meaning in this mission, it's a long shot attempt to destabilize/demoralize Russia from within. A gem for propaganda, first time foreign troops in Russia since WW2, German tanks again on Russian soil etc etc etc got to wait and see how well it'll work out, to decide if it was worth the cost.

"Russia brought the war to our land, and it should feel what it has done. We are striving to achieve our goals as soon as possible in peacetime – under the conditions of a just peace. And it will happen."
-Zelenskyy

In either case, appears that UA is signaling that negotiations are near and they're just trying to improve their position. Which i think everyone can welcome such development.

[DerAlte]

An entire column of the Russian army, which was going to help, was burned down last night. It's a very hot night.

[Vallkeinec]

An entire column of the Russian army, which was going to help, was burned down last night. It's a very hot night.

There are already two confirmations, night shooting and day shooting.

[paxmao]

Edit to update: Ukraine is 40 km deep in Putin's Ruzzia (some claim). Troop are 25 km from Kursk, 20 from the nearby Kurskaya nuclear power-plant. This is day 3 of this new offensive direction.

Guys, what's going on near Kursk? They say Russians are being chased ?

Indeed interesting development. On surface another suicidal mission like all of the previous attempts. Russia has around 300k conscripts which it's not allowed to use inside Ukraine, but can definitely use on its own land, so PR move for next few days at great cost to Ukraine. Now let's see why Ukraine is willing to sacrifice it's remaining military force for some PR points now:

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak announced during a national TV broadcast that the surprise incursion was launched to boost Kyiv's position in future negotiations with Russia, Telegram channel Country Politics reported.

The presidential adviser said Russian losses of territory, people and equipment will positively impact potential future negotiations with Russia in the war, launched by President Vladimir Putin in February 2022.

Heading into this winter with power cuts would be suicidal for Ukrainian leadership (and nothing good for EU), they risks full collapse and revolt from its citizens. So this is UA's last hurrah before they must start negotiations with Russia. Like i've been saying, this madness should finally end before 2025

The "suicidal mission" is now equivalent to what Ruzzia can take in more than a month of fighting anywhere else in the front. Yesterday's data shows 18 km of front with a maximum penetration of 20 km.

If there is a nearby negotiation (and it seems Zelensky has pointed in that direction and the last summit in Switzerland seemed to be a preparation to measure positions internationally), there is of course an interest in having as many PoWs as possible and getting as much land as possible.

It also seems there are some strategic objectives around creating a more defensible border and cutting at least one important railway line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-kursk-region-putin-b2593051.html

War monitor the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Ukrainian soldiers had penetrated more than six miles (10km) across the border, breaking through two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.

Russia declared a state of emergency amid the fierce fighting, despite seeking to claim that the situation was under control. Russian state media said that 3,000 people have been evacuated from the area.

This does not look "suicidal" to me. You know... compared to what Ruzzia has to throw in the meat grinder for an equivalent result, one would say that you are trying to make it look the opposite. Just saying.

Let's face it: Ruzzia has been caught on the wrong foot... by a lot.

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Yes yes ingenious war tactic, when you're already stretched thin and giving up territory every day just collect your reserves and throw them in an attack (cause everyone knows you loose less troops when attacking right ) Odd that Zaluzhnyi hasn't done that before, if he had, this would've already been over by now. Totally rational to call it a win even before we find out if UA can hold it for more than 98hrs, you're like UA;s cheerleader squad whatever UA does is totally amazing and a right decision, why, because you're unable to say otherwise and don't even attempt to appear remotely objective

Oh, sure, sure... bad idea, bad tactic meat grinder, reserves... all the buzz words, but at the end of the day Ukraine has freed from Putin a good chunk of Ruzzian land in just a couple of days. If you want it back come take it or... trade it for something Ukraine likes. Keep on you accomplished military genius, move your beers in the troll farm bar and imagine winning imaginary wars.

Meanwhile, surrender of the untrained border troops has been filmed in-mass - again, want them back? I will update on this, it is starting to look embarrasing for Ruzzia to have such a lassitude in defence and I would not want you to miss the opportunity to say something stupid again.

Easy way to spot propaganda is they have to claim that whatever happens, surely happens for the best, and any outcome is surely to your benefit, you're unable to even discuss any costs, downsides or risks. On the contrary my argument is that this doesn't make any military sense, but potentially can destabilize the regime with some rogue general like with Prigozhin so it's a psyop, build up internal pressure on Putin so that his hawks will demand to rush troops from Kharkov to free Russian land right away. If Ukraine manages to hold on to this land when negotiations start, or Russia moves it's troop away from Kharkov i will concede that this was a smart move before negotiations, on the other hand if Russia doesn't overreact and UA retreats in few days this would be a breaking point for Ukraine. But you're unable to do that, you're just parroting how amazing it is that few thousands soldiers with tanks were able to overrun some border guards, on a thousand km border. Goals and outcome of this mission doesn't really fit into your propaganda, does it?

[... stuff that does not return 100 km2 back to Ruzzia ...]

On the contrary, I am absolutely OK to discuss losses, risks and benefits, but I have the feeling you are not and will come out with something else (e.g. your favourite fixations Nuland and Nordstream) or some troll farm parroting. Let's try to see if you actually have any data or you are ... just saying...

1. what do you think are the loses for Ukraine in three days?
2. How many Ruzzian PoW has Ukraine made?
3. How many km2 has Ruzzia lost in these 3 days?
4. What is the benefit for Ruzzia of Ukraine being  (some sources claim) 50km, loosing several localities including Sudzha 5000 habitants?

Let's compare:
1b. How long did it take for Ruzzia to take Avdiivka and how many loses would you say were there?
2b. How many loses would you say takes Ruzzia to take and equivalent bit of land and localities in the Donbas?
3b. How long in advance did Ukraine noticed that there would be a Kharkiv offensive from Ruzzia? Why Ruzzia did not notice the Kursk offensive?

I can tell you about risk to Ukraine is, if they are not able to move forward and later build defences fast enough, having to retreat in a hurry.

There seems to be quite a bit of air defence combined with surveillance and FPV drones, IFVs and some tanks have been seen so threats have been considered as they know now very well how the Ruzzian army operates.

This has been pulled out right under Ruzzia's nose, so I guess one of the risks out there is to the head of the Ruzzian military intelligence. To his head properly said.

[malaker]

It seems that the armed forces of Ukraine have slowed down the offensive, have they been stopped? What's there now?

[Easteregg69]

It seems that the armed forces of Ukraine have slowed down the offensive, have they been stopped? What's there now?

Rockets and drones and kinds of shit that blows up. You wanna stay home.

[BADecker]

Russia: Zelensky Is A “War Criminal” And A “Legitimate Military Target” - https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/russia-zelensky-is-a-war-criminal-and-a-legitimate-military-target


Russia’s Medvedev Says It Should “Go Further” Against Ukraine


https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/russias-medvedev-says-it-should-go-further-against-ukraine
“From this moment, the special military operation should become openly exterritorial in nature,” Dmitry Medvedev, who serves as deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, argued in a post on Thursday. Medvedev has long been a proponent of finishing off Ukraine in the war as a way to quickly bring it to an end and achieve Russia’s goals.

Medvedev, a Ukraine conflict hardliner, said the “terrorist operation” in Kursk Region should “remove any taboo” on declarin[/i]g publicly that the Russian forces “will only stop when we consider it acceptable and beneficial for us.”
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Ukraine needs to push Russians behind the Ural mountains. That is where they belong.

De-Zefication and demilitarization operation is in progress, stay tuned.

The Kerch bridge is next. Slava Ukraini. Smert vorogam.

You are on a good track. Russians need to head behind the Urals, into Siberia more. Siberia is full of raw materials that will make Russia wealthier than ever. The reason they don't is that they don't really have enough people to properly harvest Siberia.

Ukraine doesn't really exist. What is there is a puppet that the US needs to stop being puppet master for.

A thousand times more than Russia and Ukraine working against each other, the US needs to go back to America, and Nato needs to dissolve. Then Ukraine could be resettled by the people who have fled her, and she could become a viable nation once more.

You are almost there. Keep looking at what is going on - the attempted conquest of the world by US bankers - and you will realize that the destruction of Ukraine was a total waste.