Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Wranglerusa]

The Russian navy is withdrawing ships from Krasnodar, probably worried about the missiles that will soon fly there.

[DaRude]

^^^ The interesting thing is that in the Russian dictatorship, the people might overthrow Putin for not acting decisively enough. The people want results. But Putin wants peace to grow his country. So, he is taking his time with Ukraine in the hopes that Zelensky will cave in, and he can start trade with a REAL Ukraine. If only the Russian people can figure this out. Putin is the best deal they ever had... at least since Stalin.

What kind of world? Putin doesn't want anything! I would like peace, I would not start this mess. Peace... I laughed!

Well, you are kinda right. When you are ruler of the world like Putin is, there isn't much more to want.

Peace is the reason Russia went into Ukraine in the first place. Ukraine had been messing with Russia since at least 2014. Russia finally stopped it in 2022. Peace at last now that Ukraine has finally used up all its troops.
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Peace is the reason why Ruzzia sent 250 thousand troops with tanks, aviation, anti-air and all the required means to fight into a foreign country? You can repeat the lie over and over, but it remains a visible lie. Should Putin be about peace, he has all the tools required to create that peace right here and right now.

But alas, as usual, the explanation is far simpler: Putin wants more territory, more power and if possible rebuild the USSR under Moscow's rule. Simply think that this is his objective and you will see that all his actions make sense. Think he wants peace and you will see all his actions do not make sense.

I know, I know... you are not about logic and trying to be logic is beyond your capabilities. Ask a friend to do it for you.

BTW BA, I think most of this newbies writing here are probably AI generated content, but sure, feel free to use them to serve your conspiracies.

And by your logic, peace is the reason why the "west" initiated the coup detat in Ukraine and then planned and stuffed Ukraine with so many US weapons before Russia even sent in those 250 thousand troops to stop them? And then we all act surprised as if madman Putin just randomly decided to invade because Russia just needs more territory? 

[paxmao]

^^^ More territory, more power and rebuild the Ruzzian domains. If you are going to argue do it correctly.
I do not see Ukrainians massively taking the streets in favour of Putin's puppet, so there must be some reason why - who knows, maybe they are absolutely ok with getting rid of Moscow and what you call a coup is simply the people taking over their own destiny into their own hands? Maybe is not about cookies after all, but about having  a future?

Your whole philosophy is built on the people of Ukraine not having an opinion nor a will of their own and that is being proven wrong.

Meanwhile the situation in Kursk is extremely fluid, with a contingent of Ruzzians near encirclement after a failed counter-attack.

[Branko]

Good news. Borki in Kursk region has been completely cleared of enemies.

https://t.me/intelslava/66515


Results of an ambush against a Ukrainian convoy in the Kursk region.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEbpiRo3yE


UK army fast disarming itself:

https://x.com/ForcesNews/status/1835332748157890611


Ukrainians fleeing in panic in Kursk region:

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/76986


NATO Powerless as Ukraine's Kursk Offensive Collapses – Catastrophic Losses!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pTnaMJ7SNviB

[DaRude]

^^^ More territory, more power and rebuild the Ruzzian domains. If you are going to argue do it correctly.
I do not see Ukrainians massively taking the streets in favour of Putin's puppet, so there must be some reason why - who knows, maybe they are absolutely ok with getting rid of Moscow and what you call a coup is simply the people taking over their own destiny into their own hands? Maybe is not about cookies after all, but about having  a future?

Your whole philosophy is built on the people of Ukraine not having an opinion nor a will of their own and that is being proven wrong.

Meanwhile the situation in Kursk is extremely fluid, with a contingent of Ruzzians near encirclement after a failed counter-attack.

It's refreshing to see that even you don't consider people in Crimea and Donbas as Ukrainians now, this is a great indication for me that there's a good chance that negotiations can happen by November.

Yes people taking their own destiny into their own hands, while a third top senior US politician just happened to give out cookies to them that day while saying "Fuck the EU", and then more javilins magically showed up per square meter in Ukraine than in any other place on earth, which were enough to stop Russian initial offense of 250k soldiers. It's as if they planned this all along and were actually expecting the Russian offense, and armed Ukraine to the teeth with all they could after giving out those cookies. But guess you're going to try and convince everyone that it's all just a coincidence, right?

Your whole philosophy conveniently disregards the roll US played in all of this from the very beginning. You base your arguments on absolutes, totally disregarding the realities of this world and double standards. I'm yet to hear a reason why Ukrainians should be able to take destiny into their own hands while Cubans are not allowed to?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Edit:
Wondering why more people don't voice their opposing positions, it's not like someone is oppressing them from even speaking in their mother tongue, and now to this... 

The city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine is to be patrolled by “language inspectors” tasked with limiting the use of Russian while simultaneously promoting the use of Ukrainian among its residents, Mayor Ruslan Martsinkiv announced on Monday.

Martsinkiv attributed the decision to introduce language inspectors to the increasing frequent use of Russian in the city, which he described as a problem for Ukraine that would be solved by “introducing a public initiative”.

“Because, unfortunately, the Russian language is being spoken more in Ivano-Frankivsk, and this is a problem for our country and for our city in particular,” he added.

Nothing says freedom like "language inspectors"  

[Marseliesa]

Good news. Borki in Kursk region has been completely cleared of enemies.

https://t.me/intelslava/66515


Results of an ambush against a Ukrainian convoy in the Kursk region.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEbpiRo3yE


UK army fast disarming itself:

https://x.com/ForcesNews/status/1835332748157890611


Ukrainians fleeing in panic in Kursk region:

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/76986


NATO Powerless as Ukraine's Kursk Offensive Collapses – Catastrophic Losses!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pTnaMJ7SNviB

Thanks, I laughed heartily from these headlines
I read z-bloggers, they have chaos, so you have a lie.

[DeathAngel]

Well I am seeing lots of very concerning news coming out of G7 countries media. Seems the UK & EU are potentially backing the use of serious weapons against Russia. An escalation in this war is not a good idea, Russia is not a power to be messed with. I would really prefer if we all stayed out of this war.

[Branko]

Thanks, I laughed heartily from these headlines
I read z-bloggers, they have chaos, so you have a lie.

I'm glad you liked it, here's some more:


Captured Maxxpro in Kursk area
https://t.me/voenacher/71827

Another two captured in the same area:
https://t.me/voenacher/71811

Ukrainian column faces heavy attack by Russian FPVs from Group North.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/77097

KA-52 Aligator scores a kill in Kursk region
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/33672

[paxmao]

Front update: Ruzzia has slowed down the already slow advance in the East, while there are signs of Ukraine succeeding at getting more Pow at Kursk.

On the rumours side, the conscripts that surrendered to Ukraine and are exchanged are sent back to the front (I am not sure how they expect a different result?) and the Tik-tok army of Ahmad is saying that they are not interested in recovering captured soldiers. So... I guess they pow from Chechenia need to apply for Ukrainian citizenship.

^^^ More territory, more power and rebuild the Ruzzian domains. If you are going to argue do it correctly.
I do not see Ukrainians massively taking the streets in favour of Putin's puppet, so there must be some reason why - who knows, maybe they are absolutely ok with getting rid of Moscow and what you call a coup is simply the people taking over their own destiny into their own hands? Maybe is not about cookies after all, but about having  a future?

Your whole philosophy is built on the people of Ukraine not having an opinion nor a will of their own and that is being proven wrong.

Meanwhile the situation in Kursk is extremely fluid, with a contingent of Ruzzians near encirclement after a failed counter-attack.

It's refreshing to see that even you don't consider people in Crimea and Donbas as Ukrainians now, this is a great indication for me that there's a good chance that negotiations can happen by November.

Yes people taking their own destiny into their own hands, while a third top senior US politician just happened to give out cookies to them that day while saying "Fuck the EU", and then more javilins magically showed up per square meter in Ukraine than in any other place on earth, which were enough to stop Russian initial offense of 250k soldiers. It's as if they planned this all along and were actually expecting the Russian offense, and armed Ukraine to the teeth with all they could after giving out those cookies. But guess you're going to try and convince everyone that it's all just a coincidence, right?

Your whole philosophy conveniently disregards the roll US played in all of this from the very beginning. You base your arguments on absolutes, totally disregarding the realities of this world and double standards. I'm yet to hear a reason why Ukrainians should be able to take destiny into their own hands while Cubans are not allowed to?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Edit:
Wondering why more people don't voice their opposing positions, it's not like someone is oppressing them from even speaking in their mother tongue, and now to this...  

The city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine is to be patrolled by “language inspectors” tasked with limiting the use of Russian while simultaneously promoting the use of Ukrainian among its residents, Mayor Ruslan Martsinkiv announced on Monday.

Martsinkiv attributed the decision to introduce language inspectors to the increasing frequent use of Russian in the city, which he described as a problem for Ukraine that would be solved by “introducing a public initiative”.

“Because, unfortunately, the Russian language is being spoken more in Ivano-Frankivsk, and this is a problem for our country and for our city in particular,” he added.

Nothing says freedom like "language inspectors"  

why are you so eager for peace? Is anything not going plan?

I consider people in all the regions Ukrainians under a military invasion by Moscow. Are you trying to imply that the fake referendums are anything but a mockery of democracy? I am not surprised, as said you mind does not accept free people taking decisions. They have to be under a tyrant - you probably justify it to yourself in terms of that's how it works or it is all the same or most likely, I do not care. Is like a medieval world and it is the reason why Ukraine wants to move on from it.

And here we go again with the narrative that Putin is going to protect Ruzzians, that they were mistreated, bla bla bla... Not a single part of it is true and we have gone through it a million times.

Regarding peace:

a) I do not see Putin accepting only the taken terriotories. I do not see Ukraine accepting the statu=quo on the terrain as permanent.
b) I do not see Ukraine accepting to be neutral to wait for the next invasion, I do not see Putin accepting Ukraine in NATO.
c) I do not see Ruzzia being able impose the stated objectives (4 regions) by force. I do not see Ukraine stopping to create economic pain and stiff resistance.
d) I do not see the US loosing anything by keeping the fight ongoing.

Too many things to solve in just a couple of months.

[cpu6502]

Thanks, I laughed heartily from these headlines
I read z-bloggers, they have chaos, so you have a lie.

I'm glad you liked it, here's some more:


Captured Maxxpro in Kursk area
https://t.me/voenacher/71827

Another two captured in the same area:
https://t.me/voenacher/71811

Ukrainian column faces heavy attack by Russian FPVs from Group North.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/77097

KA-52 Aligator scores a kill in Kursk region
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/33672

Why bothered trawling through all these links, let alone wasting time finding them in the first place? Just a time waste. You must have plenty of time on your hands. Too much time.

As I mentioned before, if you want a good indication how Russia's invasion is progressing, just monitor how much puffing and blowing is coming out of the Kremlin.
Last week, after (their Trump) bungled the debate panicking the Kremlin, the nonsense really cranked up to another hysterical level. Nuclear this, nuclear that, don't do this, you do that....... blah, blah... etc...  

It's all telling. Very, very telling.

[Branko]

Thanks, I laughed heartily from these headlines
I read z-bloggers, they have chaos, so you have a lie.

I'm glad you liked it, here's some more:


Captured Maxxpro in Kursk area
https://t.me/voenacher/71827

Another two captured in the same area:
https://t.me/voenacher/71811

Ukrainian column faces heavy attack by Russian FPVs from Group North.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/77097

KA-52 Aligator scores a kill in Kursk region
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/33672

Why bothered trawling through all these links, let alone wasting time finding them in the first place? Just a time waste. You must have plenty of time on your hands. Too much time.

As I mentioned before, if you want a good indication how Russia's invasion is progressing, just monitor how much puffing and blowing is coming out of the Kremlin.
Last week, after (their Trump) bungled the debate panicking the Kremlin, the nonsense really cranked up to another hysterical level. Nuclear this, nuclear that, don't do this, you do that....... blah, blah... etc...  

It's all telling. Very, very telling.

USA used same rhetoric during Cuban crisis...what was it telling to you back then, or, in retrospective, today?

[suchmoon]

USA used same rhetoric during Cuban crisis...what was it telling to you back then, or, in retrospective, today?

It's telling us that you're desperately coping.

No, Putin will not come to liberate you from your horrible slavery of democracy. You're doomed to suffer the rest of your vatnik life trolling the system that is allowing you said trolling capabilities.

[DaRude]

Front update: Ruzzia has slowed down the already slow advance in the East, while there are signs of Ukraine succeeding at getting more Pow at Kursk.

On the rumours side, the conscripts that surrendered to Ukraine and are exchanged are sent back to the front (I am not sure how they expect a different result?) and the Tik-tok army of Ahmad is saying that they are not interested in recovering captured soldiers. So... I guess they pow from Chechenia need to apply for Ukrainian citizenship.

^^^ More territory, more power and rebuild the Ruzzian domains. If you are going to argue do it correctly.
I do not see Ukrainians massively taking the streets in favour of Putin's puppet, so there must be some reason why - who knows, maybe they are absolutely ok with getting rid of Moscow and what you call a coup is simply the people taking over their own destiny into their own hands? Maybe is not about cookies after all, but about having  a future?

Your whole philosophy is built on the people of Ukraine not having an opinion nor a will of their own and that is being proven wrong.

Meanwhile the situation in Kursk is extremely fluid, with a contingent of Ruzzians near encirclement after a failed counter-attack.

It's refreshing to see that even you don't consider people in Crimea and Donbas as Ukrainians now, this is a great indication for me that there's a good chance that negotiations can happen by November.

Yes people taking their own destiny into their own hands, while a third top senior US politician just happened to give out cookies to them that day while saying "Fuck the EU", and then more javilins magically showed up per square meter in Ukraine than in any other place on earth, which were enough to stop Russian initial offense of 250k soldiers. It's as if they planned this all along and were actually expecting the Russian offense, and armed Ukraine to the teeth with all they could after giving out those cookies. But guess you're going to try and convince everyone that it's all just a coincidence, right?

Your whole philosophy conveniently disregards the roll US played in all of this from the very beginning. You base your arguments on absolutes, totally disregarding the realities of this world and double standards. I'm yet to hear a reason why Ukrainians should be able to take destiny into their own hands while Cubans are not allowed to?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Edit:
Wondering why more people don't voice their opposing positions, it's not like someone is oppressing them from even speaking in their mother tongue, and now to this...  

The city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine is to be patrolled by “language inspectors” tasked with limiting the use of Russian while simultaneously promoting the use of Ukrainian among its residents, Mayor Ruslan Martsinkiv announced on Monday.

Martsinkiv attributed the decision to introduce language inspectors to the increasing frequent use of Russian in the city, which he described as a problem for Ukraine that would be solved by “introducing a public initiative”.

“Because, unfortunately, the Russian language is being spoken more in Ivano-Frankivsk, and this is a problem for our country and for our city in particular,” he added.

Nothing says freedom like "language inspectors"  

why are you so eager for peace? Is anything not going plan?

I consider people in all the regions Ukrainians under a military invasion by Moscow. Are you trying to imply that the fake referendums are anything but a mockery of democracy? I am not surprised, as said you mind does not accept free people taking decisions. They have to be under a tyrant - you probably justify it to yourself in terms of that's how it works or it is all the same or most likely, I do not care. Is like a medieval world and it is the reason why Ukraine wants to move on from it.

And here we go again with the narrative that Putin is going to protect Ruzzians, that they were mistreated, bla bla bla... Not a single part of it is true and we have gone through it a million times.

Regarding peace:

a) I do not see Putin accepting only the taken terriotories. I do not see Ukraine accepting the statu=quo on the terrain as permanent.
b) I do not see Ukraine accepting to be neutral to wait for the next invasion, I do not see Putin accepting Ukraine in NATO.
c) I do not see Ruzzia being able impose the stated objectives (4 regions) by force. I do not see Ukraine stopping to create economic pain and stiff resistance.
d) I do not see the US loosing anything by keeping the fight ongoing.

Too many things to solve in just a couple of months.

"slowed down the already slow advance" is that just another way of saying still advancing?

I'm "eager for peace" because...well because war is bad, people dying/suffering is bad, is that not obvious to everyone? Now why don't you want peace?

Russia didn't close borders, people are free to leave when they wish to. Do you see mass exodus of people from Crimea coming into Ukraine through other countries? What would Ukrainian "language inspectors" even do with all those people that don't even speak Ukrainian? Want to look up statistic on the population of Crimea?

"fake referendums are anything but a mockery of democracy" oh you mean like the Kosovo independence precedent?
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’

Would you mind going through your justification for "language police inspectors" one more time? I must've missed you explaining how democratic and freedom loving that is.

a) I do not see Putin accepting only the taken terriotories. I do not see Ukraine accepting the statu=quo on the terrain as permanent.
-Well yeah. Russia is on record saying that this is not about the territory, Russia must have neutral Ukraine and without " language inspectors"
b) I do not see Ukraine accepting to be neutral to wait for the next invasion, I do not see Putin accepting Ukraine in NATO.
-It's really close now, but poll trends indicate it changing anytime now. Plus what are the alternatives you'd recommend to Ukraine? To go into the winter without electricity, with reduced aid from Germany and possible no aid from US? Because you honestly see less people in Ukraine accepting to be neutral coming out of the winter and going into spring in 2025? Same end result but with more suffering.
c) I do not see Ruzzia being able impose the stated objectives (4 regions) by force. I do not see Ukraine stopping to create economic pain and stiff resistance.
-Russia is on the offensive. And mostly has been for almost 3 years now. Do you see financial support for Ukraine from US/Germany reducing or increasing in 2025? And now, do you see financial support for Russia from China reducing or increasing in 2025? Follow the money  
d) I do not see the US loosing anything by keeping the fight ongoing.
-It's in US's interest to keep solidarity in EU. EU collapsing would not benefit US in long term. They must do all they can to stop the spread of ultra rights in EU, this must become a top priority for US policy above all else. The question if they can actually stop ultra-rights from spreading is another matter.

Zelenskyy is being squeezed financially, and it's hard to gauge Ukraines manpower shortages after this Kursk fiasco ends. It's not what he wants to do, but what he can do, and whether waiting will improve or worsen his situation coming out of winter.

[paxmao]

Front update: Ruzzia has slowed down the already slow advance in the East, while there are signs of Ukraine succeeding at getting more Pow at Kursk.

On the rumours side, the conscripts that surrendered to Ukraine and are exchanged are sent back to the front (I am not sure how they expect a different result?) and the Tik-tok army of Ahmad is saying that they are not interested in recovering captured soldiers. So... I guess they pow from Chechenia need to apply for Ukrainian citizenship.

^^^ More territory, more power and rebuild the Ruzzian domains. If you are going to argue do it correctly.
I do not see Ukrainians massively taking the streets in favour of Putin's puppet, so there must be some reason why - who knows, maybe they are absolutely ok with getting rid of Moscow and what you call a coup is simply the people taking over their own destiny into their own hands? Maybe is not about cookies after all, but about having  a future?

Your whole philosophy is built on the people of Ukraine not having an opinion nor a will of their own and that is being proven wrong.

Meanwhile the situation in Kursk is extremely fluid, with a contingent of Ruzzians near encirclement after a failed counter-attack.

It's refreshing to see that even you don't consider people in Crimea and Donbas as Ukrainians now, this is a great indication for me that there's a good chance that negotiations can happen by November.

Yes people taking their own destiny into their own hands, while a third top senior US politician just happened to give out cookies to them that day while saying "Fuck the EU", and then more javilins magically showed up per square meter in Ukraine than in any other place on earth, which were enough to stop Russian initial offense of 250k soldiers. It's as if they planned this all along and were actually expecting the Russian offense, and armed Ukraine to the teeth with all they could after giving out those cookies. But guess you're going to try and convince everyone that it's all just a coincidence, right?

Your whole philosophy conveniently disregards the roll US played in all of this from the very beginning. You base your arguments on absolutes, totally disregarding the realities of this world and double standards. I'm yet to hear a reason why Ukrainians should be able to take destiny into their own hands while Cubans are not allowed to?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Edit:
Wondering why more people don't voice their opposing positions, it's not like someone is oppressing them from even speaking in their mother tongue, and now to this...  

The city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine is to be patrolled by “language inspectors” tasked with limiting the use of Russian while simultaneously promoting the use of Ukrainian among its residents, Mayor Ruslan Martsinkiv announced on Monday.

Martsinkiv attributed the decision to introduce language inspectors to the increasing frequent use of Russian in the city, which he described as a problem for Ukraine that would be solved by “introducing a public initiative”.

“Because, unfortunately, the Russian language is being spoken more in Ivano-Frankivsk, and this is a problem for our country and for our city in particular,” he added.

Nothing says freedom like "language inspectors"  

why are you so eager for peace? Is anything not going plan?

I consider people in all the regions Ukrainians under a military invasion by Moscow. Are you trying to imply that the fake referendums are anything but a mockery of democracy? I am not surprised, as said you mind does not accept free people taking decisions. They have to be under a tyrant - you probably justify it to yourself in terms of that's how it works or it is all the same or most likely, I do not care. Is like a medieval world and it is the reason why Ukraine wants to move on from it.

And here we go again with the narrative that Putin is going to protect Ruzzians, that they were mistreated, bla bla bla... Not a single part of it is true and we have gone through it a million times.

Regarding peace:

a) I do not see Putin accepting only the taken terriotories. I do not see Ukraine accepting the statu=quo on the terrain as permanent.
b) I do not see Ukraine accepting to be neutral to wait for the next invasion, I do not see Putin accepting Ukraine in NATO.
c) I do not see Ruzzia being able impose the stated objectives (4 regions) by force. I do not see Ukraine stopping to create economic pain and stiff resistance.
d) I do not see the US loosing anything by keeping the fight ongoing.

Too many things to solve in just a couple of months.

"slowed down the already slow advance" is that just another way of saying still advancing?

I'm "eager for peace" because...well because war is bad, people dying/suffering is bad, is that not obvious to everyone? Now why don't you want peace?

Russia didn't close borders, people are free to leave when they wish to. Do you see mass exodus of people from Crimea coming into Ukraine through other countries? What would Ukrainian "language inspectors" even do with all those people that don't even speak Ukrainian? Want to look up statistic on the population of Crimea?

"fake referendums are anything but a mockery of democracy" oh you mean like the Kosovo independence precedent?
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’

Would you mind going through your justification for "language police inspectors" one more time? I must've missed you explaining how democratic and freedom loving that is.

a) I do not see Putin accepting only the taken terriotories. I do not see Ukraine accepting the statu=quo on the terrain as permanent.
-Well yeah. Russia is on record saying that this is not about the territory, Russia must have neutral Ukraine and without " language inspectors"
b) I do not see Ukraine accepting to be neutral to wait for the next invasion, I do not see Putin accepting Ukraine in NATO.
-It's really close now, but poll trends indicate it changing anytime now. Plus what are the alternatives you'd recommend to Ukraine? To go into the winter without electricity, with reduced aid from Germany and possible no aid from US? Because you honestly see less people in Ukraine accepting to be neutral coming out of the winter and going into spring in 2025? Same end result but with more suffering.
c) I do not see Ruzzia being able impose the stated objectives (4 regions) by force. I do not see Ukraine stopping to create economic pain and stiff resistance.
-Russia is on the offensive. And mostly has been for almost 3 years now. Do you see financial support for Ukraine from US/Germany reducing or increasing in 2025? And now, do you see financial support for Russia from China reducing or increasing in 2025? Follow the money  
d) I do not see the US loosing anything by keeping the fight ongoing.
-It's in US's interest to keep solidarity in EU. EU collapsing would not benefit US in long term. They must do all they can to stop the spread of ultra rights in EU, this must become a top priority for US policy above all else. The question if they can actually stop ultra-rights from spreading is another matter.

Zelenskyy is being squeezed financially, and it's hard to gauge Ukraines manpower shortages after this Kursk fiasco ends. It's not what he wants to do, but what he can do, and whether waiting will improve or worsen his situation coming out of winter.

No, you are not seeking peace you are seeking surrender. You "care" when it comes to asking Ukraine to give up, but you are all about justifying Putin actually starting this war and give all the "good reasons why Ruzzia invaded and why this war actually exist. Do not pretend to care about peace, it is so hypocritical and evident as things get.

You say:
- Ukraine will surrender because the power infrastructure is damaged and the support will be less in the future. - Both of these are your wet dreams, nothing that is here and now. Ukraine has enough to keep the war going for years.

- Ukraine is ok with not joining NATO - again, your wishes. But if can be some other military alliance or pact, because I think it is NATO that is not ready for Ukraine. What peace are you accepting if it guarantees Ruzzia will invade after recovering.

- EU solidarity is collapsing - You have a massive misunderstanding of the situation. EU is not defending Ukraine, it is defending the EU. Survival comes first and Germany in particular understands it very well as half of it was soviet for quite a while.

I do not need to justify your claims nor argue about them. You say "stuff", anyone is free to check. If it gives you a clue, you rarely present proven facts, just a few cherries here and there, even occasionally saying the opposite of what the source say.

So you are saying that Ukraine cannot go into winter because of the damage to the infrastructure. Ok, so you think Ukraine will surrender in winter or before. Let me quote you on that.

I did not defend other referendums, it is for you to prove that the ones you argue are "valid" or at least "credible" if you need to lower the standard. You despise anything that means people deciding, you belong in the middle ages. Again,  you will never understand why an Ukrainian soldier signs in to defend his country because for you all is a mockery. I suggest you and Branko open a thread about the war in former Yugoslavia so that topics that belong there can be discussed.

That is a good point, people can leave Ruzzia - unless they are forcibly conscripted and sent to the borders, or they are imprisoned for political reasons or they are so poor that they simply cannot - like most - (to leave a country you need to be able to live somewhere else). And certainly many have take the decision to leave, probably in the range of millions by now - those who can work anywhere because they are qualified.

Russia has not been on the offensive for three years. They have been in the defensive at least three times - when loosing Kherson, during the previous summer and in Kursk as of now. At the pace Russian economy is going, they are not going to be on the offensive in the long term.

"Slower advance" means exactly that, but if you need an interpretation have it: "advancing at such a pace that makes reaching the military objectives impossible within a 5 years framework of time". If you are happy with that you should apply for a position in Putin's General Command.

[BADecker]

^^^ It's simple. Russia has a million troops in reserve for the time the US and/or Nato decides to make it a formal war. What's left of Ukraine could easily be overrun and destroyed by just a part of this Russian reserve military. So, let Ukraine gradually kill themselves off in playing their 'war games' thinking that they have some kind of a chance in this war.

[LTU_btc]

Well I am seeing lots of very concerning news coming out of G7 countries media. Seems the UK & EU are potentially backing the use of serious weapons against Russia. An escalation in this war is not a good idea, Russia is not a power to be messed with. I would really prefer if we all stayed out of this war.

You would prefer to stay out of this war - offcourse, because now you're somewhere far away from it. But current phase of war is leading nowhere, only to more deaths every day. Now basically Ukraine is fighting with their hands tied.
You're talking about escaltion. Yeah, but Ukraine already crossed what was red flag for Russia so many times that long distance missiles wouldn't be big deal.

[BADecker]

Well I am seeing lots of very concerning news coming out of G7 countries media. Seems the UK & EU are potentially backing the use of serious weapons against Russia. An escalation in this war is not a good idea, Russia is not a power to be messed with. I would really prefer if we all stayed out of this war.

You would prefer to stay out of this war - offcourse, because now you're somewhere far away from it. But current phase of war is leading nowhere, only to more deaths every day. Now basically Ukraine is fighting with their hands tied.
You're talking about escaltion. Yeah, but Ukraine already crossed what was red flag for Russia so many times that long distance missiles wouldn't be big deal.

Stay out of the war? What war? It isn't a war. It's a cat and mouse game, at least for the cat Russia.


Russia announces counteroffensive in Kursk, recapture of 10 settlements


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-09-16-russia-counteroffensive-kursk-recapture-10-settlements.html
The Russian Ministry of Defense has announced that its forces have successfully recaptured 10 settlements previously seized by Ukrainian troops during its surprise cross-border incursion into Russia's Kursk Oblast.

This marked a significant shift in the conflict as Ukrainian forces had initially made considerable advances in the region in its lightning incursion.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed the development, stating that the Russian counteroffensive aligns with Ukraine's broader strategy of diverting Russian manpower and resources away from the contested regions of southern and eastern Ukraine.

The Russian counteroffensive began under the command of the "Units of the North," who reclaimed the settlements over a two-day operation around the area of Snagost, a key western flank in the region occupied by Ukraine since the launch of their campaign on August 6. (Related: Russia claims to have destroyed two concealed U.S.-made HIMARS systems near the border with Kursk.)

The first signs of a Russian counterattack emerged when Maj. Gen. Apti Alaudinov, commander of the 141st Motorized Regiment, a unit within the Russian National Guard consisting of ethnic Chechens, reported that six Ukrainian brigades had suffered significant losses amid the regiment's push into Ukrainian-occupied Kursk.

A Ukrainian officer currently involved in the fighting in the Kursk Oblast, speaking anonymously to the BBC, confirmed the scale of the Russian counteroffensive, revealing that the fighting had started some distance west of Sudzha, a crucial area in the conflict.

Ukraine's incursion into Kursk resulted in Kyiv occupying nearly 1,300 square kilometers (500 square miles) of Russian territory.

Russian military expert Anatoly Matviychuk told Moskovsky Komsomolets that Russian forces had reclaimed more than 100 square kilometers (38.6 square miles) of territory and that "the enemy's reserves, reinforcements and logistical supplies can no longer reach Kursk region."

The counteroffensive could have significant consequences for Ukraine's ability to sustain its campaign outside of its borders.

Ukraine's incursion into Kursk unable to divert significant Russian forces from Donbas
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