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June 08, 2024, 04:57:24 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.

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June 08, 2024, 05:33:56 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.

England have big names on their squad that's why many will see them as one of the favorite to win the tournament and I don't see that happening with the manager Southgate, he has been inviting same set of players and nothing to show for it. Players that ain't suppose to make the list he'd invite them, someone like Jack Grealish, he hasn't proven himself since the big money move to City only drinking, partying and while in the pitch he only throws himself to be tackled but he's been added to the squad, Harry Maguire isn't fit but he's included.
My worry is the players who are fit but won't get to showcase their abilities to help the 3 lions go forward. And if care isn't taken they might be kicked out too soon because we have stronger countries that are also favorite to win and I don't think England can withstand them when the time comes.

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June 08, 2024, 05:37:56 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.
I support this notion of yours as I also believe that this English team is just merely full of hype and I don't feel they can even achieve such height again although am still not writing any team off just dropping my personal opinion. England is so filled with talent no doubt but there is something with managing the national team and selection of players that can blend up with a short period of time than taking of boys you are fund of for 38 weeks to be successful with them.

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June 08, 2024, 05:57:05 PM
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Their tactics are all wrong, and they can't keep a clean sheet, which will be costly against top teams.
I believe that coaches always like to experiment during friendly games. Argentina lost their first game in the world cup and went onto win it because the loss brought the awareness to them that they can fail out of the competition. This loss can help England take every other game more seriously starting from the group stages.
England's problem is that there are too many talented player's in England's team for any coach not to get confused. Southgate is overwhelmed, making decisions is hard.

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June 08, 2024, 05:57:14 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.
I really agree with you, England does have quite good squad depth in almost every line, but personally I don't think they are in the top three favorite teams. England latest match against Iceland can be a reference, even though it was a friendly match that was not taken seriously. Southgate doesn't seem to be the right person to coach these star players, because the average English player has a big ego and finds it difficult to appear solid. England once had a golden generation which in my opinion was better than the current generation, but they failed to achieve success.

I think Germany and France deserve to be more favorites this time, followed by Portugal, England, Spain, Italy and Belgium. Of course, everyone has their own assessment, and it is possible that the list of favorite teams is completely wrong, because it could be that this time at Euro 2024 we will see a surprise team. Germany is a little lucky because it acts as host, and Italy is also the same because it has the status of defending champion.

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June 08, 2024, 06:45:02 PM
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To be fair, friendlies are there to test some players in some positions and it is not there to make sure that you win the games. I agree that it may not look like a good "sign" that they lost and that's understandable, it is always normal to be afraid of having a bad result, we are talking about a team we are likely bet to win and seeing this would make you question if you should bet on them at all.

But, I think it would be overreaction if we stop betting on them at all, it would make more sense if we could just simply let that game go, and we could just focus on how to get better in the end. We are not going to get anything that would be all too crazy, it is going to be just England facing trouble only near the end of the tournament at quarters or semis.

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June 08, 2024, 06:54:09 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.
This will be difficult for us to see before seeing their matches, although I also have the same thoughts as you but we cannot yet claim that England has a greater chance or not to be the winner this time, we may need to see a few games to judge a team, especially a national team that has the best players.

Having the best players does not mean that it will produce a good match, especially in an international arena like this where basically the training that these players have they don't have much time to improvise with each other and the adaptation of these players is also quite short so it will be very difficult to combine a difference and egoism in each player to get a very good game cooperation, this can also be seen from who trains them and how to make sure there are no discrepancies in the newly collected players, combining the styles of play from players in different clubs with a short time is quite difficult at the beginning. I also don't understand why the bookie is confident in England.

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June 08, 2024, 07:03:41 PM
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To be fair, friendlies are there to test some players in some positions and it is not there to make sure that you win the games. I agree that it may not look like a good "sign" that they lost and that's understandable, it is always normal to be afraid of having a bad result, we are talking about a team we are likely bet to win and seeing this would make you question if you should bet on them at all.

But, I think it would be overreaction if we stop betting on them at all, it would make more sense if we could just simply let that game go, and we could just focus on how to get better in the end. We are not going to get anything that would be all too crazy, it is going to be just England facing trouble only near the end of the tournament at quarters or semis.
I agree with you that we need to look at some friendly matches to test some players and see how they perform on the pitch which might be able to see where the weaknesses and strengths are that can be relied upon and evaluated for a team. It doesn't mean that they are bad because they lost although we can call it a sign, but who knows that the coach is experimenting.

I think it's too early to say that England will have obstacles and problems until that stage, we can't conclude it today, if the thought is so, what is the right reason that can confirm it, in fact that scenario might be England can even get better, right?

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June 08, 2024, 07:09:50 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Actually, it is not too wrong because the qualifications and depth of the squad that England currently has are really very good and indeed they are quite worthy of being favorites, it's just that sometimes for big competitions such as the Euro and World Cup, England is sometimes not too conspicuous and even some other countries are much better in terms of performance.

Now they have a capable squad but the problem is that doubts about Southgate are also still quite large until now which makes this a little complicated.

Currently they are joined by Serbia, Slovenia and Denmark which are actually quite favorites to qualify from the group phase but on the other hand this is like an early view of whether Southgate is able to maximize their current talented squad because even though the players are good but when the scheme and formation do not match then there could be a gap in the end that makes England difficult.

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June 08, 2024, 07:17:05 PM
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Their tactics are all wrong, and they can't keep a clean sheet, which will be costly against top teams.
I believe that coaches always like to experiment during friendly games. Argentina lost their first game in the world cup and went onto win it because the loss brought the awareness to them that they can fail out of the competition. This loss can help England take every other game more seriously starting from the group stages.
England's problem is that there are too many talented player's in England's team for any coach not to get confused. Southgate is overwhelmed, making decisions is hard.


Friendly games are a no gambling definition because players won't give 100% to actually win the game or to risk an injury before important games. Usually in friendly games , they like to test what they learned in practice and trainings but England losing against Iceland was actually a surprise and Romania losing 1.04 odds against Lichtenstein was even a bigger surprise that left a lot of bettors mad.

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June 08, 2024, 07:20:10 PM
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Are you proud of your country?
Can they do well in the presence of Germany, England, Brazil, Belgium, and others?

I am not in support any team, because I am a Nigerian, but I hope I enjoy watching the entire tournament because I am supporting some certain number of players because of their league performances.

I can't say that I'm proud of my country in football. At least these days I mean. I have given an example from Euro 2008. We did great by reaching the semi finals and making big difficulties for Germany then.

But since then we couldn't reach the same level either in a Euro or World Cup.  Sad  We are similar in basketball also. We are more like a volleyball country. Maybe you might have heard about the successes of our national team and domestic teams in big tournaments if you follow this sports.

If we come back to Euro 2024, I don't think we are strong enough to beat any of the teams you have mentioned. But we have young talents so our future could be much better than this - hopefully.  Roll Eyes

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June 08, 2024, 07:24:45 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.

Even they have had great players nowadays they just can't make it. This doesn't mean they won't ever be champions of course. But with Southgate? No I don't think so.  Sad  There has been a big need of a manager change for quite a while.
But strangely, in terms of squad depth, I actually always see that the English national team is one of the national teams that has a lot of good players in it. So the depth of their squad is undoubtedly one of the best. So I feel it's natural for them to be favourites. But I personally don't want to play favorites with them. Because yes, I also always see how the English national team always fails to go any further in the end. So I might also agree with everything you say. And what's more, yesterday the English national team also played a friendly match against Zealand. And the result was that the England National Team lost. Although the result of the match is not that important. But from this match I can say that what the English National Team lacked was in finishing attacks. But in the group phase, the English national team will face Serbia. And I think England can win the first match of the group phase.

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June 08, 2024, 07:43:29 PM
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I don't believe England deserve to be called as the biggest favourite by the bookmakers. Just because they reached the finale in Euro 2020 we can't say they are the closest team to the title again. Before anything else this isn't a thing they do regularly. Besides they have an unsuccessful history. They won a World Cup like 60 years ago and that's all.
This will be difficult for us to see before seeing their matches, although I also have the same thoughts as you but we cannot yet claim that England has a greater chance or not to be the winner this time, we may need to see a few games to judge a team, especially a national team that has the best players.
I think England is the favorite because the bookmaker predicted that England will reach the semifinals/final easily based on their matches schedule since the group stage.
England will win the Group C and in the round of 16 they will face 3rd Group D/E/F (Poland/Slovakia/Czech).
In the quarterfinals, they will face the runners up of Group A or B (Switzerland/Italy), then in the semifinals they will most likely meet France or Belgium.
And it looks like Bookmaker has confidence that England will be able to beat France, and progress to the final.

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June 08, 2024, 07:45:42 PM
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England have big names on their squad that's why many will see them as one of the favorite to win the tournament and I don't see that happening with the manager Southgate, he has been inviting same set of players and nothing to show for it. Players that ain't suppose to make the list he'd invite them, someone like Jack Grealish, he hasn't proven himself since the big money move to City only drinking, partying and while in the pitch he only throws himself to be tackled but he's been added to the squad, Harry Maguire isn't fit but he's included.
My worry is the players who are fit but won't get to showcase their abilities to help the 3 lions go forward. And if care isn't taken they might be kicked out too soon because we have stronger countries that are also favorite to win and I don't think England can withstand them when the time comes.

Good Points made. But them, these names mentioned have both been axed from the squad representing the three lions at the UEFA European Competitions in the next couple days.

Jack Grealish, James Madison and Harry Maguire all has been removed completely.... Another name I expected not to be on that list would be Luke Shaw who I think has not even done anything for Manchester United not to talk about playing a full game ever since he returned from Injury.
We've got names like Hall and Ben Chiwell who I think deserves a better place than Luke Shaw in that squash. Hall former Chelsea defender should have ended immediately.

As usual Southgate is already sentimental with that, he'll never win then too

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It’s very close to the start of Euro 2024, and teams are playing their last friendly matches before the tournament. Tonight, there was a friendly match between Portugal and Croatia, two important contenders for the cup. Croatia beat a 2-1 victory. Luka Modric scored from the penalty spot in the 8th minute, and Ante Budimir added another goal in the 56th minute. Portugal’s lone goal came from Diogo Jota.

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It’s very close to the start of Euro 2024, and teams are playing their last friendly matches before the tournament. Tonight, there was a friendly match between Portugal and Croatia, two important contenders for the cup. Croatia beat a 2-1 victory. Luka Modric scored from the penalty spot in the 8th minute, and Ante Budimir added another goal in the 56th minute. Portugal’s lone goal came from Diogo Jota.
The warm up matches before the main event kicks off next week might not be so important for many but the truth is that we can't shy away from the fact that the some of the results we've witnessed so far weren't expected. We know that Portugal would've fielded a stronger lineup which would've definitely included Cristiano Ronaldo if the match was to be a very strong one but we also shouldn't see as a reason why Portugal should lose to Croatia. I love the Portuguese national team and would want them to have a great tournament in upcoming UEFA Euros Championship so I think the coach of the side should as a matter of urgency try improve the team so they don't underperform like they did today.

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June 08, 2024, 08:04:06 PM
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It’s very close to the start of Euro 2024, and teams are playing their last friendly matches before the tournament. Tonight, there was a friendly match between Portugal and Croatia, two important contenders for the cup. Croatia beat a 2-1 victory. Luka Modric scored from the penalty spot in the 8th minute, and Ante Budimir added another goal in the 56th minute. Portugal’s lone goal came from Diogo Jota.

I couldn't follow the match properly but from what I heard, Portugal did have at least another clear opportunity to score but failed, same goes for Croatia, so at the end there wasn't big difference and Croatia merit that victory.
After all, this remains an unofficial game since their last official face to face matches ended with Portugal victories if I am not mistaken.

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June 08, 2024, 08:29:37 PM
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Spain are looking a bit good today after going 1 goal behind in the 2nd minute of the game vs Northern Ireland. Spain have managed to turn around the deficit by a huge margin, they've scored 4 goals in the first half alone, two goals from Pedri, with Morata and Fabian Ruiz also finding themselves on the scoresheet.

That should be another positive result and performance for them to onto ahead of the Euros, they're looking somewhat good, I'm not just very convinced ahead of the main showpiece, but maybe it's something to do with all teams having had a long season already.

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England have big names on their squad that's why many will see them as one of the favorite to win the tournament and I don't see that happening with the manager Southgate, he has been inviting same set of players and nothing to show for it. Players that ain't suppose to make the list he'd invite them, someone like Jack Grealish, he hasn't proven himself since the big money move to City only drinking, partying and while in the pitch he only throws himself to be tackled but he's been added to the squad, Harry Maguire isn't fit but he's included.
My worry is the players who are fit but won't get to showcase their abilities to help the 3 lions go forward. And if care isn't taken they might be kicked out too soon because we have stronger countries that are also favorite to win and I don't think England can withstand them when the time comes.

Good Points made. But them, these names mentioned have both been axed from the squad representing the three lions at the UEFA European Competitions in the next couple days.

Jack Grealish, James Madison and Harry Maguire all has been removed completely.... Another name I expected not to be on that list would be Luke Shaw who I think has not even done anything for Manchester United not to talk about playing a full game ever since he returned from Injury.
We've got names like Hall and Ben Chiwell who I think deserves a better place than Luke Shaw in that squash. Hall former Chelsea defender should have ended immediately.

As usual Southgate is already sentimental with that, he'll never win then too

In as much as they do have first list before the final list I still don't think Grealish and Maguire should even come close to those who was called up, Maddison can be allowed to join but it seems truly that Southgate is always finding it hard to make a better selection for the team. I don't know why the injured players are the ones he finds ok to work with. Hall has proven himself but since Chilwell can't make the squad I don't think he can. I just hope we won't be seeing England leaving the competition like Germany in the world cup with a very poor performance after much is expected.

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England have big names on their squad that's why many will see them as one of the favorite to win the tournament and I don't see that happening with the manager Southgate, he has been inviting same set of players and nothing to show for it. Players that ain't suppose to make the list he'd invite them, someone like Jack Grealish, he hasn't proven himself since the big money move to City only drinking, partying and while in the pitch he only throws himself to be tackled but he's been added to the squad, Harry Maguire isn't fit but he's included.
My worry is the players who are fit but won't get to showcase their abilities to help the 3 lions go forward. And if care isn't taken they might be kicked out too soon because we have stronger countries that are also favorite to win and I don't think England can withstand them when the time comes.

Good Points made. But them, these names mentioned have both been axed from the squad representing the three lions at the UEFA European Competitions in the next couple days.

Jack Grealish, James Madison and Harry Maguire all has been removed completely.... Another name I expected not to be on that list would be Luke Shaw who I think has not even done anything for Manchester United not to talk about playing a full game ever since he returned from Injury.
We've got names like Hall and Ben Chiwell who I think deserves a better place than Luke Shaw in that squash. Hall former Chelsea defender should have ended immediately.

As usual Southgate is already sentimental with that, he'll never win then too

In as much as they do have first list before the final list I still don't think Grealish and Maguire should even come close to those who was called up, Maddison can be allowed to join but it seems truly that Southgate is always finding it hard to make a better selection for the team. I don't know why the injured players are the ones he finds ok to work with. Hall has proven himself but since Chilwell can't make the squad I don't think he can. I just hope we won't be seeing England leaving the competition like Germany in the world cup with a very poor performance after much is expected.

Maddison was a complete shit with Tottenham this season, Ben Chilwell couldn't even get a starting spot in a mediocre Chelsea team, Luke Shaw and Kyle Walker are two England players that have good pace and can be used as CB when the need arise in certain matches, England have great pace in attack and wide areas of the midfield but when it comes to playing teams that have also got pace in attack, I really don't see a better choice for them at the back than having either Kyle Walker or Luke Shaw help with CB defensive duties, because the choice of either Trippier and/or Arnold as we all know lack pace and are extremely vulnerable in defense compared to either Walker or Shaw.

Jack Grealish barely played for City this past season and the options called ahead of him are literally very much justified, who would you rather drop for Grealish ?? Foden, Gordon or Eze, each and every of these players had a much better season than Grealish in terms of form and performance... Would anybody pick Maddison over Cole Palmer or Jude Bellingham ?

If you all are mentioning Grealish, Chilwell and Maddison, you might as well just add Raheem Sterling, Reece James and Marcus Rashford since it seems rather just more about the players name, than what they can currently offer or what the squads actually need!

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