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[Trofo]

But I think that casuals are as well interested in a certain level of competitive integrity. As soon as you take skin out of the game for those who can harm the competition even deliberately (like simply not submitting an answer in H2H), you take away some of the least requirement for integrity, which is "if you submit, submit all answers". I think that integrity would actually attract more people than shy them away. I like the competition here and since it is a long-term thing, I think it would be bad if someone gets relegated or not promoted because someone else decided to give away 3 points to a potential direct competitor. But your competition, your rules.

We fully agree with this, yes. We'd like to once again ask all players to be fair to the competition and submit all answers, because skipping some of them directly harms some people in the league and helps others.
There's actually no easy fix for this - because even if we do punish the player who does not submit the damage is still done - it does not change the outcome for the affected party.

Still - we'll take what you said into serious consideration because we understand it's a crappy feeling when a person close to you on the table is getting points for free.

For now think about it like when club like Manchester City wins the title and then in the last 2 league games fields mostly juniors and saves main players for Champions League. If they play against clubs fighting relegation battle is totally unfair situation since they destroyed other clubs from bottom of the table and now they will even possibly loose points. So if organizations like Premier League did not find a way to regulate it how can we?

We will think about it, but whatever we do somebody can still find a way to avoid our measures. Best thing to do is to have a bunch of people playing that mutually respect one another and do whatever possible to uphold fair play. We are quite happy how first season went so far and I think it can only get better in the future as rivalries and friendships form among out group.

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[notblox1]

Cmonn man, cryptofrka wrote about H2H question when free bets are concerned at least 5 times now.

Are you guys speaking the same language or not?
He reminds me on some old people that hear only things they want to hear 

Match 29 : Pulsar77 vs vd309
Match 30 : mv1986 vs mitchr4

Good luck in Cup semifinals guys!
I think I probably messed up things this round and I lost again, NBA question was deciding factor this time and those damn NY Knicks!
Can someone say when exactly next BSFL round start and is it going to be last round of the season?

[Jinetics1111]

Wowsers Verstappen kicking arse today like Arsenal kicked Newcastle's , I didnt know how to answer that question, cheers to who did.

Never mind, I see Perez caught up kinda, let's see how this plays out!!

[Woodie]

Wowsers Verstappen kicking arse today like Arsenal kicked Newcastle's , I didnt know how to answer that question, cheers to who did.

Lol Arsenal try to catch up with their own shadow,  they will not win this title but great game from them and expected a better performance from Newcastle not what we saw today

5.3 seconds what a #$&@ driver, Sergio Perez didn't see this coming after looking like he was taking it home as the hot favourite ,but what can I say team Redbull is doing the most...these cars are destroying the competition at will,  hope team Mercedes will come through stronger in the next meet (EMILIA ROMAGNA GRAND PRIX)

CREDIT:https://racingnews365.com/2023-f1-miami-grand-prix-results

[Jinetics1111]

Wowsers Verstappen kicking arse today like Arsenal kicked Newcastle's , I didnt know how to answer that question, cheers to who did.

Lol Arsenal try to catch up with their own shadow,  they will not win this title but great game from them and expected a better performance from Newcastle not what we saw today

5.3 seconds what a #$&@ driver, Sergio Perez didn't see this coming after looking like he was taking it home as the hot favourite ,but what can I say team Redbull is doing the most...these cars are destroying the competition at will,  hope team Mercedes will come through stronger in the next meet (EMILIA ROMAGNA GRAND PRIX)

I expected a better game from them as well , and yeah I picked between 4-7 seconds so I'm very happy with that result, although I thought when he was up 20 seconds I was fried!!

[Renato297]

This round has come to an end and I won and that was what I wanted the most, to get to my last exciting round against Trofo, I know that my rival did not answer 2 questions and it is an advantage for me, but in the case removing the tennis point and that he would have beaten me in Dota, I would still win the round

[mv1986]

But I think that casuals are as well interested in a certain level of competitive integrity. As soon as you take skin out of the game for those who can harm the competition even deliberately (like simply not submitting an answer in H2H), you take away some of the least requirement for integrity, which is "if you submit, submit all answers". I think that integrity would actually attract more people than shy them away. I like the competition here and since it is a long-term thing, I think it would be bad if someone gets relegated or not promoted because someone else decided to give away 3 points to a potential direct competitor. But your competition, your rules.

We fully agree with this, yes. We'd like to once again ask all players to be fair to the competition and submit all answers, because skipping some of them directly harms some people in the league and helps others.
There's actually no easy fix for this - because even if we do punish the player who does not submit the damage is still done - it does not change the outcome for the affected party.

Still - we'll take what you said into serious consideration because we understand it's a crappy feeling when a person close to you on the table is getting points for free.

For now think about it like when club like Manchester City wins the title and then in the last 2 league games fields mostly juniors and saves main players for Champions League. If they play against clubs fighting relegation battle is totally unfair situation since they destroyed other clubs from bottom of the table and now they will even possibly loose points. So if organizations like Premier League did not find a way to regulate it how can we?

We will think about it, but whatever we do somebody can still find a way to avoid our measures. Best thing to do is to have a bunch of people playing that mutually respect one another and do whatever possible to uphold fair play. We are quite happy how first season went so far and I think it can only get better in the future as rivalries and friendships form among out group.

But would Manchester City ever decide to play with 9 guys instead of 11? That is why I said refusing to provide answers when you even submitted it in a timely manner comes with a very bad taste for several reasons. Again, and then I am closing this discussion on my part, filling out all questions but skipping the H2H when it actually asks for the final participants and the winner of the ATP in Madrid, that's weird. And I am quite sure that a B team of Manchester City is still able to beat an A team of some of those competing in the relegation zone of the table. But let's see if Manchester City decides to only bring on 9 guys instead of 11 and allow their goalkeeper to be an offender, should they secure the Premier League title early. Neither would Manchester City be allowed to do that, nor would they consider it for a second. It is deliberately destroying the competition beyond what is acceptable on any terms.

[ralle14]

I was very close to achieving victory in this round against my opponent @ralle14. Due to the loss of Union Berlin in the German league, I lost a part of the competition, but there is still hope to achieve a tie because my answer to the question about the Miami track is different from my opponent's answer.

You got the F1 question right and almost closed the gap for a potential draw but you made a crucial mistake on the tennis question by not picking a winner.

Nice to have a breather this week and good luck to Pulsar in the cup semi finals, i'm rooting for you to go all the way so that my elimination in the early round won't be wasted.   

[Woodie]

Nice to have a breather this week and good luck to Pulsar in the cup semi finals, i'm rooting for you to go all the way so that my elimination in the early round won't be wasted.  

"The man, the myth, the legend"  Just how has Pulsar77 stayed off the radar while pulling these top drawer performances when it was needed the most...I mean not only is he/she a semi finalist  but just handed out the first defeat to our league leader and surely deserves the support to go the extra mile in division 3..
With what I have seen , feel compelled to rally behind this champ...let's go team P77, do it for division 3 (Possibility of a D3 final 50%)

Btw team cro2, looking at the spreadsheet and those  questions that require us to give a list of names ,[in the future] is it possible to have an extra point for naming all said teams regardless of order besides scoring points for the correct order just to have a tiebreaker...because you can't be scoring the same number of points if someone named 10 players out of 11 against someone that named 1 out 11 ..this is in reference to the  Bundesliga...

[cryptofrka]

The spreadsheet is updated with the results.

The freebet winners are:
joker_josue 20$ freebet (from round 9 against vd309 and famososMuertos)
Jinetics1111 10$ freebet

Freebets to be settled in the final round (there will be a tiebreaker of some sort - no bets will transfer to next season):
Igebots - LTU_btc for 30$ freebet
joker_josue vs strongkored for 20$ freebet
cryptofrka vs mv1986 for 10$ freebet (still from round 9 - in this round was a tie as well)

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We will scroll through the thread to reply to a few of your questions a bit later.

[slackovic]

Wow! Am I seeing this right? Now that cryptofrka lost his game I am the only one who managed to remain undefeated the entire season! I don't know what to say... I was thinking of taking a break this week and not answering the cup questions but now I have a feeling I have to answer them so I don't lose momentum for the final week. I'm not sure who I will be up against. I know that it was posted somewhere in the thread but there's 80 pages and I don't feel like browsing all of them.

[Pulsar77]

Wow! Am I seeing this right? Now that cryptofrka lost his game I am the only one who managed to remain undefeated the entire season! I don't know what to say... I was thinking of taking a break this week and not answering the cup questions but now I have a feeling I have to answer them so I don't lose momentum for the final week. I'm not sure who I will be up against. I know that it was posted somewhere in the thread but there's 80 pages and I don't feel like browsing all of them.

I was horrible at the beginning of the season. However after figuring out the system slowly I managed to get a few striking results. First the semi finals in the cup and now my defeating cryptofrka who was the unbeaten leader. I wouldn't have believed if someone told me 2-3 weeks before that these things were going to happen.


You can check this post for the calendar.

[casperBGD]

Max pushed his pedal in full go in last two laps, and my win goes with his foot as well
so it is a draw in the end with LTU, and winless strike continues for me

now cup break, and final round against Slissy, chance to show up in last round against leader

CL is back in town, after having midweek football from top leagues, can't imagine that I will think this, but go Real, better than City in finals

[slackovic]

I was horrible at the beginning of the season. However after figuring out the system slowly I managed to get a few striking results. First the semi finals in the cup and now my defeating cryptofrka who was the unbeaten leader. I wouldn't have believed if someone told me 2-3 weeks before that these things were going to happen.


You can check this post for the calendar.

Thanks. It looks like I was a little early in my celebration. vd309 can still catch me if I lose the last game against darxiaomi and he wins his with two points or better difference. That brings me to another question (sorry Trofo and cryptofrka, but I like asking a lot of questions ) - what will happen if I lose my last game and vd309 wins his game with 2 points difference? Then both of us will have the same number of points, the same h2h result (it was a draw) and the same score difference. Maybe then the winner will be the one who scored more points?

[Trofo]

I was horrible at the beginning of the season. However after figuring out the system slowly I managed to get a few striking results. First the semi finals in the cup and now my defeating cryptofrka who was the unbeaten leader. I wouldn't have believed if someone told me 2-3 weeks before that these things were going to happen.


You can check this post for the calendar.

Thanks. It looks like I was a little early in my celebration. vd309 can still catch me if I lose the last game against darxiaomi and he wins his with two points or better difference. That brings me to another question (sorry Trofo and cryptofrka, but I like asking a lot of questions ) - what will happen if I lose my last game and vd309 wins his game with 2 points difference? Then both of us will have the same number of points, the same h2h result (it was a draw) and the same score difference. Maybe then the winner will be the one who scored more points?

Tie break criteria for league is as follows:
1. Points
2. Goal difference
3. Head 2 Head
4. Amount of goals scored
5. Anount of wins in league
6. Coin toss, probably implemented as last digit of unmined BTC block, hopefully it will not be needed, ever

[slaman29]

I would like to add my support to find a way to make the competition fair.

I don't think it has affected me at all, and I know maybe one day I might make a mistake and enter a wrong pick and cause my opponent an unfair advantage but I guess me losing/drawing every game has made it equally advantage for everyone above me lol.

But I also agree it's impossible to find a way to punish those who make it easy on opponents. Many times in La Liga and EPL even teams complain that their opponent made it too easy for other teams but you shouldn't complain.

If you want to win something, you must make sure you rely on your own results.

Eventually, I do think if we see patterns of people not entering picks or just entering "don't know" we should warn them not to do this because we are all giving our best effort, it's really not nice to see some people enter blanks, I totally agree.

I can't wait to start next season and force my comeback to Div1!

Trofo and cryptofrka, this is the best competition ever, and that's me as a loser feeling excited lol

[jayce]

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I know absolutely nothing about Darts, Golf, Table Tennis or Sepaktakraw but if there is a big tournament we will maybe hit you a question from sport like that just to make you all broaden your horizons a bit  Us included.

Am I the only one here who don't know what Sepaktakraw is? I have never heard of that game. I guess it's not that popular in Europe. I guess it's like handball - in some parts of the world no one had heard about handbal l while in Europe it's pretty popular sport. I have nothing against those kind of games include in the questions. It's always fun to learn about other sports so please give us questions about little known sports.

Back to when I was living in Pattaya in the past, sepaktakraw was one of very popular sports in Thailand along with football and kickboxing. It's more like a volleyball game but you use feet and head instead. If you like to see a bicycle kick in football, you'd love this sport where the players do it a lot as strike moves. It's as awesome as beach soccer which the players show so many cool actions but yeah beach soccer is much more popular. Iirc sepaktakraw has been played in Europe already and I saw its Europe tournament banner somewhere years ago.


Regarding the less popular sports in the questions, I think that's the main purpose of this tournament, which not only to test our sports knowledge, but also to encourage us to learn about other sports. I'm sure the cro2 guys also were unfamiliar with some sports but they still spent much time to learn it and provide these questions. I agree with mv1986, you can just guess the answer if you are not familiar with the sports, by just taking minutes to google it. Of course the chance of your answer get right is low, but not zero, and it's also a sign to respect your opponent. It's a lesson for me too to not submit the answer late though.

Last week was my worst performance, congrats to my fellow opponent arallmuus. You really deserved that with 7 damn right answers! What a round man, and winning the poker tourney last night was a great ending of the week for you. Cheers! And good luck to you all guys!

[Igebotz]

I would like to add my support to find a way to make the competition fair.

I don't think it has affected me at all, and I know maybe one day I might make a mistake and enter a wrong pick and cause my opponent an unfair advantage but I guess me losing/drawing every game has made it equally advantage for everyone above me lol.

But I also agree it's impossible to find a way to punish those who make it easy on opponents. Many times in La Liga and EPL even teams complain that their opponent made it too easy for other teams but you shouldn't complain.

If you want to win something, you must make sure you rely on your own results.

Eventually, I do think if we see patterns of people not entering picks or just entering "don't know" we should warn them not to do this because we are all giving our best effort, it's really not nice to see some people enter blanks, I totally agree.

I would be more concerned if those leaving no valid answers were not for H2h questions because h2h are for freebets, BUT since it is sometimes used as duel between opponents, I think you have a valid suggestion, I don't like people being lazy, these are strange sports for most of us, but we still put our asses out there to provide a valid answer instead of just leaving a 'i don't know' answer on the spreadsheet. Most of the time, I see someone in Div 1 doing this, which is unprofessional. Let's keep it harsh and real, people.

I would propose a -1 point deduction for a team that purposefully entered an invalid answer into the spreadsheet; there should be some type of penalty for defaulters to avoid questions like this being brought again next season.

I wish you the best in your next game @LFC-Bitcoin

[darxiaomi]

What a bad time for me to have my worst round ever, and what a time for Joker josue to have one of his best rounds (or the better), if i had win against you i can have 1 foot on first division, also you destroy my goal balance.

Now im in a really ahrd one, having to win against the unbeaten slacovik, but well im the only who put a L to vd so im try again to put a L on slakovic.

[Trofo]

So here are the tables after 10 rounds, just one more round left and it is very close in all divisions. Good luck guys.


Division 1

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	Slissy	10	6	3	1	45	33	12	21
2	jeremypwr	10	6	3	1	41	32	9	21
3	cls63	10	4	5	1	37	31	6	17
4	Harkorede	10	5	1	4	40	37	3	16
5	casperBGD	10	4	3	3	37	36	1	15
6	LTU_btc	10	3	5	2	38	36	2	14
7	arallmuus	10	4	1	5	40	38	2	13
8	buwaytress	10	4	1	5	34	39	-5	13
9	jayce	10	3	3	4	34	41	-7	12
10	Igebotz	10	3	2	5	38	40	-2	11
11	LFC_Bitcoin	10	2	2	6	34	40	-6	8
12	slaman29	10	0	3	7	27	42	-15	3

Division 2

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	slackovic	10	8	2	0	48	34	14	26
2	vd309	10	7	2	1	42	32	10	23
3	mitchr4	10	5	1	4	42	37	5	16
4	darxiaomi	10	5	1	4	40	35	5	16
5	dbshck	10	5	1	4	36	34	2	16
6	strongkored	10	5	0	5	35	36	-1	15
7	notblox1	10	4	1	5	41	37	4	13
8	ralle14	10	3	2	5	34	39	-5	11
9	joker_josue	10	3	1	6	35	44	-9	10
10	famososMuertos	10	2	4	4	31	40	-9	10
11	ulven	10	3	0	7	32	38	-6	9
12	DireWolfM14	10	2	1	7	31	41	-10	7

Division 3

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	Cryptofrka	9	6	2	1	42	24	18	20
2	Woodie	9	5	3	1	42	36	6	18
3	Trofo	9	4	4	1	36	28	8	16
4	mv1986	10	4	3	3	40	41	-1	15
5	Renato297	9	4	2	3	38	31	7	14
6	Jinetics1111	9	4	1	4	32	30	2	13
7	leea-1334	9	3	2	4	25	29	-4	11
8	Pulsar77	9	3	2	4	28	38	-10	11
9	entebah	9	2	2	5	32	35	-3	8
10	Dittoup	9	2	1	6	28	37	-9	7
11	MAAManda	9	1	2	6	23	37	-14	5

W - Games Won, L - Games Lost, D - Games Drawn
POS - League Position, SD - Score Difference, SF - Score For
SA - Score Against, PLD - Games Played, PTS - Points Earned





Round 10 - Results

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Division 1 jeremypwr 4-3 buwaytress jayce 3-7 arallmuus LTU_btc 5-5 casperBGD slaman29 2-5 Harkorede Slissy 2-2 cls63 LFC_Bitcoin 3-5 Igebotz	Division 2 vd309 4-3 dbshck ralle14 4-3 ulven mitchr4 5-4 DireWolfM14 strongkored 5-4 notblox1 joker_josue 5-2 darxiaomi famososMuertos 3-6 slackovic	Division 3 leea-1334 3-3 Woodie Jinetics1111 6-4 mv1986 Dittoup 3-5 Trofo Renato297 6-2 MAAManda Cryptofrka 4-5 Pulsar77 Free in this round: entebah