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M4v3R
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June 12, 2013, 10:01:47 PM |
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Ok, so you have funds on Bitmarket from before 2013. Our agreement was that we will first reimburse users that lost funds in february's hack (because those were the great people that believed in the site even after it was announced that the funds were lost in december), and also, because that was a much smaller amount. Refunding your and other funds will begin shortly after that. You will receive a small initial payment soon, and after that, monthly refunds until the whole amount is reimbursed.
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mentore
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June 13, 2013, 12:15:11 AM |
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I am, also a person who believed in the site even after it was announced that the funds were lost in december , but do not understand why I have to receive the monthly repayment, would be correct that I get the full refund as soon as possible
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M4v3R
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June 13, 2013, 05:23:20 AM |
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It's just not possible for me to give you (and all the other users) a full refund right now, because I don't have funds necessary. The monthly payments are because I will receive funds on Bitalo on a monthly basis for cooperating with them on creating a great Bitcoins service.
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kakobrekla
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June 13, 2013, 03:41:35 PM |
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It's just not possible for me to give you (and all the other users) a full refund right now, because I don't have funds necessary. The monthly payments are because I will receive funds on Bitalo on a monthly basis for cooperating with them on creating a great Bitcoins service.
I don't see how one who had a part of their clients funds stolen and a part of their clients funds gambled away could be an asset to a great Bitcoin service. This Bitcoin... its like the real world except completely the opposite. |
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M4v3R
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June 13, 2013, 07:16:58 PM |
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Stop spreading FUD and show us what you can do, would you?
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kakobrekla
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June 13, 2013, 07:45:10 PM |
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Stop spreading FUD and show us what you can do, would you?
Can you point out the FUD? |
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M4v3R
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June 13, 2013, 07:52:09 PM |
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The funds weren't "gambled away". If Bitcoinica weren't taken offline and hacked, the whole situation would not happen.
And for your second point - you could say the same about some other Bitcoin exchanges, most notably Mt. Gox, yet they're covered the losses from their pockets and are doing fine. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, and with success - as you can see from the earlier posts - people are getting back their funds.
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kakobrekla
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June 13, 2013, 07:58:54 PM |
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The funds weren't "gambled away". If Bitcoinica weren't taken offline and hacked, the whole situation would not happen.
The way I see it, you suck at money management (the reason you overexposed yourself your clients on Bitcoinica) and prolly more. Such person on a leveraged platform is called a gambler. What else would you be doing there? And for your second point - you could say the same about some other Bitcoin exchanges, most notably Mt. Gox, yet they're covered the losses from their pockets and are doing fine. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, and with success - as you can see from the earlier posts - people are getting back their funds.
At the speed of Bitfloors Shtylman? |
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1CHBhqws
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June 13, 2013, 10:38:13 PM |
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It seems that after starting processing a handful of the payouts, he has now stopped - the last transaction appeared to have change of over 250 bitcoins (and maybe more remains in the wallet?). Why was it interrupted, and why not pay out a batch of them in a single transaction rather than a whole bunch of individual ones...?
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M4v3R
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June 14, 2013, 05:32:30 AM |
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I know that probably no one cares about this, but I'm in the middle of moving to a new flat (which I will finish today). And because every case is different I can't really automate it. For every person I'm double checking his records, payout address, sending the coins, storing a record of which transaction went to whom and notifying him by email. I hope to complete this first batch this week though.
Also, a handful of people requested payouts in EUR, and I have to carefully check what is the best way to process their claims. I could use my personal bank account, but that could possibly raise some red flags in the bank, and I don't want to slow this down anymore. Maybe someone here has a better idea?
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pazor
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June 14, 2013, 06:25:01 AM |
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maybe someone can takes the btc and pays the euro to the guys from his bank account ?
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treuhand-Dienst gewünscht? - frag per PM an
BTC 174X17nR7vEQBQo4GXKRGMGaTmB49Gf1yT
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Stemby
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June 14, 2013, 07:27:11 AM |
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maybe someone can takes the btc and pays the euro to the guys from his bank account ?
I could help you, if you want, for your Italian clients. Ciao! |
“…virtual currencies, could have a substitution effect on central bank money if they become widely accepted.”
ECB Report, October 2012
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mentore
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June 14, 2013, 11:12:27 AM |
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not enough for you, that you stole from me almost 70 btc I would have fetched € 15,000, more or less, not enough for you you left me penniless, and yet you tell me I can not have my btc??
I agreed to wait to contribute to the formation of the new site, and I'm still not even 1 penny, it is not fair, it is not correct
I need my btc, I need my money, I need a fucking, because I have not a penny more
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M4v3R
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June 14, 2013, 12:12:34 PM |
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not enough for you, that you stole from me almost 70 btc I would have fetched € 15,000, more or less 15,000 EUR for 70 BTC? Wow, show me an exchange on which I can get your rates, so I can reimburse everyone immediately. Also, judging from your balance history on Bitmarket I doubt you're "penniless" right now. All I ask is to have a little more patience and you will be refunded. |
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tstang
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June 14, 2013, 05:06:27 PM |
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Well, I wish they would have returned my 55 BTC rather than value it at $10 each.
Since the BTC was used, it's almost impossible to buy them back at the rate now.
I guess, it's the best M4v3R can do at this moment.
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GsR
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June 14, 2013, 06:06:37 PM |
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I still think that there will be no refund, it's just a jack ass
@Mentore this is a quote of your message on April 02, 2013, 11:47:56 AM It is a nice way to support Refunding process... For the future at least avoid to tell lies. |
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M4v3R
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June 14, 2013, 06:54:47 PM |
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Well, I wish they would have returned my 55 BTC rather than value it at $10 each.
Since the BTC was used, it's almost impossible to buy them back at the rate now.
I guess, it's the best M4v3R can do at this moment.
Exactly. Though it's 10 EUR, so approx. $13.34 per BTC. |
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June 14, 2013, 07:56:28 PM |
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Just to remember, the current investors from Bitalo have made a HUGE effort, time-wise and also financially to make these first reimbursements happen! We took this all from our private money and in addition to that we have queued our OWN demands against Maciej/bitmarket.eu behind everyone else. Just one of us investors has lost over 3200 Bitcoins on bitmarket.eu (!) and did NOT demand anything back just to make this new project happen.
Please support the current effort we are undertaking and give Maciej a little more time, he still has 3 jobs in parallel: to do his removal, to reimburse coins AND to consult us in our new project.
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mentore
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June 14, 2013, 08:49:54 PM |
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not enough for you, that you stole from me almost 70 btc I would have fetched € 15,000, more or less 15,000 EUR for 70 BTC? Wow, show me an exchange on which I can get your rates, so I can reimburse everyone immediately. Also, judging from your balance history on Bitmarket I doubt you're "penniless" right now. All I ask is to have a little more patience and you will be refunded. wow  you say wow ? you may have forgotten that the value of btc arrived at $ 230, and if there had not been a certain someone that I stole all my btc, I could sell my btc 70 x 230 = $ 16,100 Math is not an opinion.... you can understand? that I could earn $ 16,000? and instead because of you I have not put a penny? you understand that? you understand my despair? and yet you tell me to wait and be patient, after you've fucked me in all possible ways I need my btc, because I have no money |
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M4v3R
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June 14, 2013, 09:56:46 PM |
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after you've fucked me in all possible ways
I could easily said that Bitmarket was hacked, I have no money to refund and you'll never see your money. You could never tell if I'm telling the truth. Then I would be messing around with you in every possible way. But I didn't. And how exactly would you know that $230 was the top? You could as well wait "so it'll rise more" and then panic sell at $60. That's the point - you can't tell that for sure. That's why you can't blame me for the opportunity lost, because you can't be certain if you would use that opportunity. You *can* blame me for letting this happen and that your funds are frozen right now, but nothing else. And for that I am deeply sorry and I'm doing everything I can to fix this. |
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