[SOLVED] Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan!

[yahoo62278]

Nobody frauded or cheated on Betnomi. Betnomi just doesn't want to pay their customers, which I already told from the beginning.
SCAM ALERT

We get it, you hate Betnomi. Maybe take a day off from spamming the thread with your hate. We all wanna see everyone get paid, but you screaming scam every other post doesn't make it happen any faster. If anything, you're giving those guys less of a chance to be paid.

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[Hispo]

When I saw the topic title with the word "SOLVED" with brackets which truly sent the message across, I went in and I was about to post my congratulations to OP and Betnomi's admins. I was very disappointed to read that, if verified true, there are still many users who have not received their withdrawals yet. I thought it would be another good ending like BC.Game. Bad play, Betnomi, bad play. It was probably better for you to stay quiet while fixing the issue.

I also believe it was too premature of Betnomi to label this thread and issue as Solved, while there is still people who had not received their refund. It would have been better if Betnomi showed a little bit more of transparency and showed talked about the progress of the refunds in terms of percentage of users already refunded, instead being this much binary about the situation. One is supposed to only tag a problem as Solved when there is no clarification whether all those who applied to refunds were already refunded.
I can get Betnomi wants to move on from this fiasco as soon as possible so they can start to make money with their new project of casino, but that is not an excuse in any way shape or form to mistreat former costumers and gamblers.

Is there any chance Betnomi will openly publish statistics on how many people applied to get their money back, how many were accepted as legitimate and how many of them are being refunded in a daily basis? That would help for people not to assume something shady is going on 

[notblox1]

Well, no response since December 2023, is that a good receipt for you?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63322540#msg63322540

Dont be surprised about this, I asked them many times to explain what happened with leaked email addresses and personal information, and they never once replied anything!!
Now they created new casino and I guess he wants to start the same thing again and erase past by saying everything is solved 

[nutters]

We are uncertain why people continue to present their opinions as facts. The claim that we hand-select users for refunds is outright silly; every user has been refunded, except the five users we mentioned earlier. For the sake of transparency, we will release the usernames of these five users.

The refund requests of the following two users have been denied due to fraud (and this is not up for debate):

1. hubbypub
2. Pgermaine1413

These users have been forwarded to our external risk management team for verification. We will process or deny their requests based on the outcome of the third-party review.

1. Eggs96
2. faramutsi
3. Anccik
4. nutters0n

Aside from these cases, we are currently in contact with one other user privately and are actively working on resolving their case.

There is no other user or individual to whom any money is owed in any way, shape, or form. If someone has requested a refund and hasn't received it, we encourage them to come forward and provide us with a receipt.

I got kinda confused when I saw this thread has "SOLVED" tag as I'm one of the 4 users forwarded for "external risk managment check" and  I can confirm that I still not received any part of my balance which was 0.12586btc

There is my scam thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5455713.msg62373244#msg62373244 with all screens and everything described.
The refund request from my side was sent in designated time, my account passed based kyc ID verification and somehow I ended up on the "high-risk list"

If they won't process my refund I can only say that this is a very well-executed scam that they can easily straighten out by sending refunds of smaller amounts and simply calling the largest ones an attempt at extortion or at the discretion of management team as fraud.

I'm pantiently waiting for my refund but the action is constantly being postponed which doesn't really mean anything good,
If, according to the external management, there are any inaccuracies regarding my case, I would ask for a private conversation before making a decision as I'm open to talk.

[Poika5]

Thank you for letting us know Nutters.

Paid:
Betwrong 400$-500$
Ahoybruise 'a rather small amount'

Not paid:
Gekkebelg 0.9btc
Stayzor 0.4btc & 4.5eth
Nutters 0.12586btc
= 105,453$

(As of February 29)

If anyone else has gotten paid by Betnomi please let us know.

[Haunebu]

Thank you for letting us know Nutters.

Paid:
Betwrong 400$-500$
Ahoybruise 'a rather small amount'

Not paid:
Gekkebelg 0.9btc
Stayzor 0.4btc & 4.5eth
Nutters 0.12586btc
= 105,453$

(As of February 29)

It's hilarious seeing them mark this shitshow as solved when they didn't return big amounts to certain players and many forum members congratulating them without using their brains properly.

What's actually wilder is seeing the Betnomi team actually telling others to think before throwing around accusations when they literally scammed people. Crazy!

[AbuBhakar]

Thank you for letting us know Nutters.

Paid:
Betwrong 400$-500$
Ahoybruise 'a rather small amount'

Not paid:
Gekkebelg 0.9btc
Stayzor 0.4btc & 4.5eth
Nutters 0.12586btc
= 105,453$

(As of February 29)

It's hilarious seeing them mark this shitshow as solved when they didn't return big amounts to certain players and many forum members congratulating them without using their brains properly.

What's actually wilder is seeing the Betnomi team actually telling others to think before throwing around accusations when they literally scammed people. Crazy!

Exactly, Betnomi pick the most active user here with refund requests to be paid and marked the thread solve hoping that other user that is not active will forget about this thread.

They seems in hurry to conclude that the refund was resolved while there’s still a lot of user that is not posting here with their refund are still not refunded despite they apply through email using the format on this thread. I’m not trying to add negativity since users funds is at stake here but I just can’t stand why this thread is marked already as resolved.

[Get-Paid.com]

Well, no response since December 2023, is that a good receipt for you?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63322540#msg63322540

Just saying, "Well, no response since December 2023, is that a good receipt for you?" means nothing. What is the problem? Who is affected? What is their claim? Did they send a refund request and not receive it? What exactly is your point?

If that is your reasoning, then please explain why the biggest one is not on this list? Also, explain why we have paid other people who have multiple times the balance of the users, sent to the risk management team for review?

Sometimes, it is okay to think first before throwing around accusations.

Once again, we replied but there are so many replies in between, by the time you read this you won't even see our response, emails didn't go through (at least we didn't receive any response), how else can we be in touch? If it's too hectic for you guys then we'd just leave it, don't want to add more pressure onto what you're doing.

[holydarkness]

I got kinda confused when I saw this thread has "SOLVED" tag as I'm one of the 4 users forwarded for "external risk managment check" and  I can confirm that I still not received any part of my balance which was 0.12586btc
[...]

With this user coming out, I think the implied question from my previous inquiry needed even more urgent attention and answer: what make those user denied? They have cases that you barely bother to answer so we can get a better understanding from both sides. And two of them happen to have large sum of money. Is that the reason? Lest we got an impression that you paid small amount of fund just for the sake to make people think you show an act of kindness and generosity and thus your reputation got fixed.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I got kinda confused when I saw this thread has "SOLVED" tag as I'm one of the 4 users forwarded for "external risk managment check" and  I can confirm that I still not received any part of my balance which was 0.12586btc
[...]

With this user coming out, I think the implied question from my previous inquiry needed even more urgent attention and answer: what make those user denied? They have cases that you barely bother to answer so we can get a better understanding from both sides. And two of them happen to have large sum of money. Is that the reason? Lest we got an impression that you paid small amount of fund just for the sake to make people think you show an act of kindness and generosity and thus your reputation got fixed.

I think its useless to argue with the betnomi rep.
They seriously believe we have no right to question what they are doing, it's hilarious.
Marking this thread solved because me and 1 or 2 other people got our tiny bankroll back is funny and sad at the same time.
The people with the real money stuck at betnomi have to beg them to finally get paid.

If they come back to our forum with their new site the should get an appropriate trust rating I think, at least the same as their betnomi account. Ok, they maybe then have refunded some players from this forum, but what about the rest worldwide. This question was asked several times and never got an answer.

[holydarkness]

I got kinda confused when I saw this thread has "SOLVED" tag as I'm one of the 4 users forwarded for "external risk managment check" and  I can confirm that I still not received any part of my balance which was 0.12586btc
[...]

With this user coming out, I think the implied question from my previous inquiry needed even more urgent attention and answer: what make those user denied? They have cases that you barely bother to answer so we can get a better understanding from both sides. And two of them happen to have large sum of money. Is that the reason? Lest we got an impression that you paid small amount of fund just for the sake to make people think you show an act of kindness and generosity and thus your reputation got fixed.

I think its useless to argue with the betnomi rep.
They seriously believe we have no right to question what they are doing, it's hilarious.
Marking this thread solved because me and 1 or 2 other people got our tiny bankroll back is funny and sad at the same time.
The people with the real money stuck at betnomi have to beg them to finally get paid.

If they come back to our forum with their new site the should get an appropriate trust rating I think, at least the same as their betnomi account. Ok, they maybe then have refunded some players from this forum, but what about the rest worldwide. This question was asked several times and never got an answer.

If they don't bother to clear everything and keep on with their shady practice, ignoring the active and ongoing accusations against them, their new account will quite likely get similar tag from several DT. Not sure if all DT who tagged betnomi account will also tag the new account, but I believe some will. It's what happen with 1xBit and their new platform.

[betnomi]

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

We are revealing our secret approach to the whole KYC situation today. It was our decision not to apply KYC across the platform and only for users engaged in fraud. The idea and reasoning behind this are that if a user engages in fraud and we close their account, they will simply create a new account and do it again. We request KYC even if we intend to close the account; this way, they use their information to complete the KYC for the existing account. If they create a new account in the future, they will fail to pass the KYC because their information has already been used (if they use the same information), or else they must find someone else to provide their information to complete the KYC. In that event, they have to do some extra work to get a new account. Even in that case, we have systems in place to detect multiple accounts, so we can detect them for the most part.

Just for clarity, any user who has been asked to complete KYC without any questions was engaged in fraud of some kind, and we generally close the accounts after the KYC, as explained above.

There are some users who cried previously that their accounts were closed after they completed the KYC. Well, here is your explanation.

Less than 0.3% of our users had KYC, for context, and the fact that you had to complete KYC says it all.

As for the people trying to make it seem like we are making excuses not to pay these users, you have your explanations now. These accounts were already flagged/closed well before we ended our services. We only sent those accounts to the external risk management team for a good measure; we might be able to get some third-party report for those seeking proof.

Again, anyone who has any legitimate claim has been refunded, and the handful of cases above are being taken care of as well.

@Get-Paid.com, please send us a DM, and we will do well to resolve your issue for you.
It is unclear what the problem is as of now.


We cannot take anyone seriously who doesn't even bother to read a page or two before commenting. An issue will be explained extensively, and a few comments later, another person is back asking the same issue, making it seem like the questions are not being answered. If you have any kind of interest in the subject, it behooves you to read before you comment. If you think it's not worth your time to understand the context from previous comments, then it is not worth our time responding to you.

Thank you all for your understanding.

[holydarkness]

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

[...]

Can you assure us that you're doing the right thing by explaining how exactly you determine those users had defrauded you, or that those who had their account already closed prior to your shut-down are scammers that doesn't eligible for a refund? Especially given in one or two cases, what happened was, their account got closed, they tried to get a resolution here, and before we can even hear from your side, any explanation at all, betnomi locked itself from any access. Stayzor's situation seems in an even worse shape, snippets of his complaint on CG,



He got his fund locked because your platform shut down. He... scammed you? How? Please assure us that it is an justified decision and not an empty air, that he scammed you, by providing explanation regarding his situation. Preferably with supporting evidence.

[bislom]

Nobody cheated on betnomi, Betnomi simply does not want to pay the customers. That is the only truth!
This site is the 2nd biggest scam site after 1xbit

[Get-Paid.com]

@Get-Paid.com, please send us a DM, and we will do well to resolve your issue for you.
It is unclear what the problem is as of now.

Done, thank you.

[yahoo62278]

We cannot take anyone seriously who doesn't even bother to read a page or two before commenting. An issue will be explained extensively, and a few comments later, another person is back asking the same issue, making it seem like the questions are not being answered. If you have any kind of interest in the subject, it behooves you to read before you comment. If you think it's not worth your time to understand the context from previous comments, then it is not worth our time responding to you.

Thank you all for your understanding.

Well they do have to get their quotas in for their campaigns. People do not read replies period.

[Stayzor]

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

We are revealing our secret approach to the whole KYC situation today. It was our decision not to apply KYC across the platform and only for users engaged in fraud. The idea and reasoning behind this are that if a user engages in fraud and we close their account, they will simply create a new account and do it again. We request KYC even if we intend to close the account; this way, they use their information to complete the KYC for the existing account. If they create a new account in the future, they will fail to pass the KYC because their information has already been used (if they use the same information), or else they must find someone else to provide their information to complete the KYC. In that event, they have to do some extra work to get a new account. Even in that case, we have systems in place to detect multiple accounts, so we can detect them for the most part.

Just for clarity, any user who has been asked to complete KYC without any questions was engaged in fraud of some kind, and we generally close the accounts after the KYC, as explained above.

There are some users who cried previously that their accounts were closed after they completed the KYC. Well, here is your explanation.

Less than 0.3% of our users had KYC, for context, and the fact that you had to complete KYC says it all.

As for the people trying to make it seem like we are making excuses not to pay these users, you have your explanations now. These accounts were already flagged/closed well before we ended our services. We only sent those accounts to the external risk management team for a good measure; we might be able to get some third-party report for those seeking proof.

Again, anyone who has any legitimate claim has been refunded, and the handful of cases above are being taken care of as well.

@Get-Paid.com, please send us a DM, and we will do well to resolve your issue for you.
It is unclear what the problem is as of now.


We cannot take anyone seriously who doesn't even bother to read a page or two before commenting. An issue will be explained extensively, and a few comments later, another person is back asking the same issue, making it seem like the questions are not being answered. If you have any kind of interest in the subject, it behooves you to read before you comment. If you think it's not worth your time to understand the context from previous comments, then it is not worth our time responding to you.

Thank you all for your understanding.

Again, how is wagering my deposit 1x on the biggest sport events fraud?

[nutters]

Just for clarity, any user who has been asked to complete KYC without any questions was engaged in fraud of some kind, and we generally close the accounts after the KYC, as explained above.

Regarding to your secret approach to kyc, I have never used other account in betnomi before nor have I ever been asked to pass kyc there before, It was my only one and first account there.
I was forced to complete kyc when I requested a withdrawal and meanwhile your service got shut down. Even some days before shutdown there was problem to complete it because the kyc validator was not working properly.


I understand that usually sites don't like winning players so they limit them, sometimes to the point where they can no longer play and when the player decides to withdraw his funds, he is asked to go through the KYC procedure so that he will not be able come back and to continue to bring losses to the casino by playing on other accounts. Also some regulators like MGA force on services to request KYC on user when he request withdrawal above 2000€ as anti money laundering procedure.
This is a common practice, however, your explanation is worded in such a way that winning anything in betnomi would mean a fraud.

I have completed KYC at few other casinos/bookmakers and none of them forced me to provide my sensitive details only to close my account and not pay me the balance accumulated on their services.

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

I don't understand your passive-agressive accusation to my person. I was put on list forwarded to external risk management team for verification so I menitoned about KYC to clarify that was only one orginal refund request sent by me with all correct information. in case if there would be real fraud like other refund attempt under my username as my betnomi username was publicly shown in the scam accusation thread. You did not inform us what exactly this external team will check, whether it will be account or refund request verification. why then even mention about it in refund form?

Code:

1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)

I have a slight impression that you are now trying to turn the situation around that the accounts with KYC are most liklely fraudlent and should not be paid. I'm guessing that most of these biggest amounts left belongs to users who have been asked for KYC or have already done so, isn't it a coincidence?

[Haunebu]

Again, anyone who has any legitimate claim has been refunded, and the handful of cases above are being taken care of as well.

You pretty much stated that this situation hasn't been entirely resolved yet which is why I have no idea why you marked it as 'SOLVED' when it's obviously 'UNSOLVED'. This clearly confused many forum members.

Solving some small cases here and there don't really help improve your reputation much within this forum at the very least.

[Mahdirakib]

Well they do have to get their quotas in for their campaigns. People do not read replies period.

I used to respect your opinion as you are a reputable member in the forum. But I'm wondering in which basis you are blindly believing on Betnomi representative (Sorsis) words and saying that we are just posting here to meet our sig campaign quote! You have to look into the details instead of addressing us in this way.

Betnomi is still holding those users fund who had large balance. They accused some users and doing an investigation on some other users account now (with a large balance). The 'gentleman Sorsis' sold our email address to the spammers. Sorsis and his team have kicked out some victims from their telegram group who had complained about their stuck funds in the initial stage. They have also disabled the messages in their telegram group. This isn't a successful refund attempt by them. Still, they marked this thread as solved.