[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014

[iCEBREAKER]

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BBR, aside from the optional 1% tax does not really have any baggage like that. Monero was very aggressively pumped at the start. They did not get their marketcap from anything good, they used a lot of offensive marketing to push their way up. If this were the early 20th century automobile industry that wouldn't matter but in the internet age Monero will probably get a lot of negative press when crypto goes more mainstream.

no-ice-please, I appreciate you bringing an outside perspective to the huntercoin thread, but I totally disagree with you here. What kind of offensive marketing are you referring to? I agree that it was pumped at the beginning, and iCEBREAKER is a douchebag, and maybe a few others, but I don't think there's any real concerted effort to market the coin at all, let alone offensively market it. And what do you mean the didn't get marketcap from anything good? Monero has the best database solution of all cryptonotes, BBR has none, and Monero has developed RingCT which will allow for non-zero mixin ring signatures, something that no other cryptonote has. No offense, but I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about here.

I may be considered a douchebag for calling fraud by those pushing scams like Paycoin (gone), Neucoin (also gone), and Dash (soon to be gone) but have always been very supportive of Boolberry.

No offense, but I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about here.   

BBR is a solid and extremely undervalued coin.  It will either be the Coke or Pepsi of Cryptonote coins. 

[papa_lazzarou]

and Monero has developed RingCT which will allow for non-zero mixin ring signatures, something that no other cryptonote has.

I think you meant non-zero mixin multi-sig, right? 

I am not interested to start a fight so I will not list here the big list of Monero advantages over BBR. Those who want to can hop over Monero thread on bct or reddit.

BTW, I hope BBR gets moving soon and become a strong member of the CN family.

[papa_lazzarou]

Thanks for that information. Very interesting news. Would it be worth considering forking to cryptonight. Then again i guess it isn't or else they would have done it by now. Anyway good news about CZ possibly getting involved again. A friend of mine (who is much smarter than myself and knows some thing about this at a deeper level than I do) once told me he suspected that CZ was one of the very smartest devs on this board.

The POW algo is not a problem. And I find the it one of the strengths in BBR. Diversification is good. 

The real problem is the massive divergence of the Monero code related to standard CN.

[jwinterm]

and Monero has developed RingCT which will allow for non-zero mixin ring signatures, something that no other cryptonote has.

I think you meant non-zero mixin multi-sig, right? 

I am not interested to start a fight so I will not list here the big list of Monero advantages over BBR. Those who want to can hop over Monero thread on bct or reddit.

BTW, I hope BBR gets moving soon and become a strong member of the CN family.

Yes, you're correct - meant to say multisig.

In other news, some shadowcash guys contacted me about getting reddit admin privileges so they could fix it up and make it look fancy. Added them as mod a few days ago, so maybe there will a reddit facelift in the not too distant future.

[iCEBREAKER]

This BBR is XMR's silver crap is just propaganda. Its now just a matter of time before the crypto world knows the facts.

* Le 2 Years Later *

Silver:Gold ratio = 72:1

BBR:Monero ratio = 82:1

So my predictive syllogistic model is working, and not "just propaganda."   

[Johnny-Bravo]

If all the transactions are anonymous then what's the reason for block explorers like chainradar letting you explore transactions? I assume you can't prove you sent money from one address to another with it. Can you use it as proof of making a transaction if an exchange disputes you made a deposit?

http://chainradar.com/bbr/blocks

[iCEBREAKER]

most people completely miss the implications of BBR being the selected CryptoNote currency for SuperNet. Supernet is primed to become a huge community of crypto enthusiasts sharing the latest and greatest crypto technologies. Everything from private betting to instantaneous transaction in decentralized marketplaces like the Nxt Asset exchange, means that BBR will be the coin of choice when wanting to complete purely anonymous transactions. As SuperNet has the potential to be used by 1000s or 10000s of crypto enthusiasts in the short term (long term plans for BBR are more for non-crypto mass adoption) this partnership is "killer app" like in its utility.

Anonymous transactions will be included in these shared technologies, so I dont think XDN has leapfrogged anyone. Its one thing to have a technology. Its an entirely other situation to have the technology and a user base eager to adopt it.

Sorry but I don't share you and 777's vision for Supernet, Nxt, and all that overcomplicated Rube Goldberg hoopla.  It's a beautiful theory but I don't see it coming to fruition.

BBR will succeed or fail on its own merits, not those of another party.

XDN's anon msg feature leapfrogged other CN coins by offering genuinely novel functionality in addition to anon token transfers.  That's why its market cap correspondingly leapfrogged BBR's.

./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"sendmessage","dest":"13434315136155299987","msg":"hello"}'

Not sure why you call something like the above "overcomplicated Rube Goldberg hoopla"
Adding new functions to the API parser takes a few minutes, of course the code to do anything useful needs to already be there to interface to.

    static char **commands[] = { sendpeerinfo, getpubkey, getpeers, maketelepods, transporterstatus, telepod, transporter, tradebot, respondtx, processutx, publishaddrs, checkmsg, placebid, placeask, makeoffer, sendmsg, orderbook, getorderbooks, teleport  };

The above is the current list of commands.

{"name":"BTC","conf":"/home/ubuntu3/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf","asset":"4551058913252105307","rpc":"127.0.0.1:8332","clonesmear":1,"minconfirms":3,"estblocktime":600}

adding the ability to access another coin is as easy as adding a line like the above in the SuperNET.conf file
Once that is there, then a coin's blockchain can be accessed.

So encrypted onion routed messaging between any two computers on the SuperNET, plus all the API functions I am doing, plus all the API functions all the other core coins/websites are doing.

vs. DarkNote.

you decide which has a brighter future

James

P.S. I take offense at your constant calling what I do pumping.  A pump implies a subsequent dump. This is not what I do at all. I keep adding value so it might rise like a pump, but the dump it is missing. I think a better term would be a revaluation

* Le 2 Years Later *


The market decided "which has a brighter future."

As I predicted, SuperNET went nowhere (24 hour volume = $111) and took BBR nowhere, at it was merely yet another jl777 pump and dump scam-asset.

Meanwhile, DarkNote (now DigitalNote) enjoys continued development and an order of magnitude higher volume than the SuperNET abandonware.

[jwinterm]

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The market decided "which has a brighter future."

As I predicted, SuperNET went nowhere (24 hour volume = $111) and took BBR nowhere, at it was merely yet another jl777 pump and dump scam-asset.

Meanwhile, DarkNote (now DigitalNote) enjoys continued development and an order of magnitude higher volume than the SuperNET abandonware.

But, but, but...Komodo! Seriously though, how many ICOs has that guy run?

[crypjunkie]

iCEBREAKER, WINDJC, papa_lazzarou, It's really good to see you guy's back on the Boolberry thread again and talking about boolberry, I've been accumulating BBR for the past 3-4 months and have considered myself lucky to find this coin with such good possibilities for future development. So far i have found that there seems to be a bit of a divided community since 1Blockologist has came on the scene, bit like new and old members. Have you all still got a vested interest in the coin and are any of you still open to further development of the coin? What's your thought's on things as they stand and expectations for the future? Doe's anyone see CZ coming back and if so what way will that effect be on  the community that has been building slowly since 1block has came on the scene? Any thoughts would be good, cheers....

[CryptoRambler]

Thanks for that information. Very interesting news. Would it be worth considering forking to cryptonight. Then again i guess it isn't or else they would have done it by now. Anyway good news about CZ possibly getting involved again. A friend of mine (who is much smarter than myself and knows some thing about this at a deeper level than I do) once told me he suspected that CZ was one of the very smartest devs on this board.

The POW algo is not a problem. And I find the it one of the strengths in BBR. Diversification is good.  

The real problem is the massive divergence of the Monero code related to standard CN.

Isn't it true that once the db is rebased and out of ram, that each update from that point on should be a lot easier?

Would it make sense to change the PoW to a different algorithm - one that is used more widely than wild Keccak? That seems to be the bottleneck here in the dev efforts, no one understands the BBR codebase well enough

Maybe BBR could implement a (Wild) Keccak/Cryptonight hybrid , which could allow for easier future XMR updates, but with pruning and more botnet resistance than Cryptonight

[DonYo]

Thanks for that information. Very interesting news. Would it be worth considering forking to cryptonight. Then again i guess it isn't or else they would have done it by now. Anyway good news about CZ possibly getting involved again. A friend of mine (who is much smarter than myself and knows some thing about this at a deeper level than I do) once told me he suspected that CZ was one of the very smartest devs on this board.

The POW algo is not a problem. And I find the it one of the strengths in BBR. Diversification is good. 

The real problem is the massive divergence of the Monero code related to standard CN.

Isn't it true that once the db is rebased and out of ram, that each update from that point on should be a lot easier?

Would it make sense to change the PoW to a different algorithm - one that is used more widely than wild Keccak? That seems to be the bottleneck here in the dev efforts, no one understands the BBR codebase well enough

Maybe BBR could implement a (Wild) Keccak/Cryptonight hybrid , which could allow for easier future XMR updates, but with pruning and more botnet resistance than Cryptonight

So then... why don't just focus on AEON?

[alinda]

how to see private key from my wallet?

[CryptoRambler]

Chainradar's Boolberry block explorer and info has been down since the beginning of October. I've been attempting to contact them about this to no avail (through their contact form).

Anyone else know how to reach those guys?


The reason this is important is because several services use Chainradar as a source for what the block height is, as well as how many Boolberry there are in existence.

Minergate is aware that there is a problem, but has yet to fix it. I contacted them and they are having their dev team look at it

It is interesting that minergate and chainradar both stopped at the exact same tx:

Height   Timestamp (UTC)   Size   Transactions   Hash
623703   2016-10-06 10:38:11 (2 months ago)

Chainradar doesn't seem to respond via email.

[slb]

I can help you build an independent blockchain explorer if there is enough interest (in form of bounties).

[papa_lazzarou]

Isn't it true that once the db is rebased and out of ram, that each update from that point on should be a lot easier?

No, because that's just one small piece of the puzzle. The db is "just" the way the blockchain data is stored. It is completely independent of the protocol, and the protocol is completely independent from the database.

Not meaning to spam but here's a not comprehensive list of changes from Bytecoin codebase:
Forget it, it is too big to list. Just check the changes on the releases page in github

(If anyone takes offense with this I will be happy to remove it)

This will never be accomplished without a several people working on it.

[Divorcion]

iCEBREAKER, WINDJC, papa_lazzarou, It's really good to see you guy's back on the Boolberry thread again and talking about boolberry, I've been accumulating BBR for the past 3-4 months and have considered myself lucky to find this coin with such good possibilities for future development. So far i have found that there seems to be a bit of a divided community since 1Blockologist has came on the scene, bit like new and old members. Have you all still got a vested interest in the coin and are any of you still open to further development of the coin? What's your thought's on things as they stand and expectations for the future? Doe's anyone see CZ coming back and if so what way will that effect be on  the community that has been building slowly since 1block has came on the scene? Any thoughts would be good, cheers....

Interesting questions which also would like to ask and i bump it again.

[papa_lazzarou]

iCEBREAKER, WINDJC, papa_lazzarou, It's really good to see you guy's back on the Boolberry thread again and talking about boolberry, I've been accumulating BBR for the past 3-4 months and have considered myself lucky to find this coin with such good possibilities for future development. So far i have found that there seems to be a bit of a divided community since 1Blockologist has came on the scene, bit like new and old members. Have you all still got a vested interest in the coin and are any of you still open to further development of the coin? What's your thought's on things as they stand and expectations for the future? Doe's anyone see CZ coming back and if so what way will that effect be on  the community that has been building slowly since 1block has came on the scene? Any thoughts would be good, cheers....

As I said above, the more successful CN coins there is the better. And it is even better when they're not just dumb forks of the existing ones but actually add value and diversity to the ecosystem.

That being said, I don't have a significant role in monero and don't see how I would be useful in BBR. And I also think that we are all better off without significant community overlap.

[CryptoRambler]

Isn't it true that once the db is rebased and out of ram, that each update from that point on should be a lot easier?

No, because that's just one small piece of the puzzle. The db is "just" the way the blockchain data is stored. It is completely independent of the protocol, and the protocol is completely independent from the database.

Not meaning to spam but here's a not comprehensive list of changes from Bytecoin codebase:
Forget it, it is too big to list. Just check the changes on the releases page in github

(If anyone takes offense with this I will be happy to remove it)

This will never be accomplished without a several people working on it.

Okay great. How can assembling such a team be best accomplished? Should we divide up responsibilities and use a crowdfunding or subscription model to fund dev efforts?

[iCEBREAKER]

iCEBREAKER, WINDJC, papa_lazzarou, It's really good to see you guy's back on the Boolberry thread again and talking about boolberry, I've been accumulating BBR for the past 3-4 months and have considered myself lucky to find this coin with such good possibilities for future development. So far i have found that there seems to be a bit of a divided community since 1Blockologist has came on the scene, bit like new and old members. Have you all still got a vested interest in the coin and are any of you still open to further development of the coin? What's your thought's on things as they stand and expectations for the future? Doe's anyone see CZ coming back and if so what way will that effect be on  the community that has been building slowly since 1block has came on the scene? Any thoughts would be good, cheers....

The Good:

I still am fond the idea of blockchain-based PoW, as it aligns incentives which otherwise may at best fail to be mutual reinforcing or at worst may conflict.  However, I've also come to reject the entire notion of raising the barriers to ASIC production, as that arms race makes the market less competitive/perfect.  Simple PoWs like sha256 are best, so there is (at least initially) a more level playing field.

The nice thing about being at rock bottom abandonware status is there is nowhere to go but up.

Near-death experiences are good for a coin's antifragility, if it survives.  And CZ is still alive and posting, so he could return.

Plus there is a loyal community and the occasional new user/investor, as your post demonstrates.


The Bad:

All that stuff about CZ coming back once he finished Louis d'or never happened.  The fact he's collecting a dev tax is terrible optics, if not ethics.  Even if he returns now, people will suspect he was intentionally running the price down to accumulate.

1Blockologist is shady and part of the Rune (LOL Vikings LOL death metal LOL D&D LOL Druids LOL) crew.  He's not getting along with CZ, although I am not 100% sure he's not CZ and just playing Sybil to get his way on the rejected Rune rebrand.

Development is light years (IE 1000s of programmer hours) behind Monero (especially), Duck/Dark/DigitalNote, and maybe even Bytecoin.

Exchange volume is trivial.  Despite my emotional investment in admiring their technology, I got out of the hobby coins lacking critical mass and useful trade volume (BBR, XCN, XPM, VIA).


The Ugly:

I expect the price will continue to drop as emission dilutes waning investor interest, in standard altcoin fashion.

If left as is, BBR will be lack many significant features vs Monero (RingCT, LMDB, integrated address, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc).

The only path forward would be to fork Monero (or maybe Bytecoin) and replace the PoW with Wild Keccak, but IDK if CZ would be willing to swallow is pride and take that step, much less stick around to keep BBR updated with the latest commits.


The Worst:

Bytecoin, Duck/Dark/DigitalNote, and BBR are suspected to all be creations of the same group, and all display the same damning characteristic of manipulative emission.

BCN had a faked early emission, XDN had a ridiculously quick emission, and BBR while being fairly launched with a slow emission has been seemingly abandoned for most of the last 2 years, which as kept the volume low and price depressed (pumps and dumps notwithstanding).


Conclusion:

If you want to invest in a legit Cryptonote coin, Monero and Aeon are the only two options AFAIK.

[kneim]

All that stuff about CZ coming back once he finished Louis d'or never happened.  The fact he's collecting a dev tax is terrible optics, if not ethics.  Even if he returns now, people will suspect he was intentionally running the price down to accumulate.

STOP!

You are not speaking for me! Without proof this a mobbing attack against CZ. It is ONLY YOUR opinion, as long as no other person agrees to you.

Beside this, CZ can sell his coins whenever he want, if he concludes, that the coin becomes worthless.