What's wrong with eating meat?

[precrime3]

Even if your not of Christiain faith, theres still things that are common sense, and historical truths.

For example
Thou shall not murder? Common sense, happens to be in the bible.
Adultery, lying, all common sense, "happens" to be in the bible. So yeah, "Intelligent" people may or may not get there rules/morality from the bible but does not mean you should dismiss the book altogether. That maybe a reason why its the number one most sold book.....

It's not because there's some exemple of common sense in the bible, that everything in it can be taken litteraly without questioning.
And historical truths? Like that the Earth is 6000 years old?

No like that Jesus is a real person that has walked the earth. Bible never states how many days are in a year, many hours in a day, etc. So yes its completley plausible that Earth is 6000 "years" old.

[lynn_402]

No like that jesus is a real person that has walked the earth. Bible never states how many days are in a year, many hours in a day, etc. So yes its completley plausible that Earth is 6000 "years" old.

Actually, the christian belief that Earth is 6000 years old comes from many believers who made chronological analyses of the events described in the bible and of the descendence of humans from Adam and Eve (even Isaac Newton contributed to these researchs). So it is silly to say the bible contains historical truths; it's rather a book of metaphors.

But this is off-topic.

[CoinGeneral]

Higher IQ study: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

Higher IQ more likely to become vegetarian (and atheists): http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/4721

Another higher IQ study: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

Not to mention that the whole point is bullshit, has no sources whatsoever, and is based on someone's imagination.

Higher IQ study: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

Higher IQ more likely to become vegetarian (and atheists): http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/4721

Another higher IQ study: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

this is the most dumbiest thing i've ever read lol so if you are not eating meat means that you have a higher IQ and open minded i think its depend on people having a close minded is a choice and so the IQ

Take a look at these closed minded people. They both literally quoted reference links and both claim "there are no sources." Come on guys, just learn to accept new information and take it in. Accept that factual information exists regardless of your bias towards your own beliefs.

Have you ever tried what it was like being a vegan? Have you ever put research into the topic? Are you thinking critically with an open mind and challenging your own cultural beliefs? Or, do you just do exactly as the bullet points in the Christiniaty / Meat Eater points say:

- Has only experienced their own side and therefore know everything
- Bases their belief on how they were raised
- Will read the first word of your argument and say you are wrong, no argument given

Also, you guys give no arguments other than "that is bullshit" and "this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen" when you guys are very closed minded into accepting new information.

What is it with new information that scares you? The fact that your old beliefs could be challenged? That maybe the way you were raised was wrong? A lot of people were raised to do things a certain way, and only a few of them question why, and those that find answers dramatically improve their lives as they now have two perspective to go off of instead of just one. Not you guys though, you guys are closed minded and will not see evidence right in front of you.

[cosmofly]

What a load of rubbish, typical fake and desperate stats by vegans who claim to be above everyone. Vegans have been discredited by science constantly but they will never admit.

FYI Einstein turned Vegetation only in the last year of his life this is well documented. He grew up eating meat he  his mind developed eating meat and he had high IQ eating meat. He said those quotes about his slight guilt about eating meat in his final years and only became veg in his last year. Vegans don't have higher IQ its just rubbish propaganda. Notice how the chart says "some of these geniuses were vegans" yet they put them all under vegan list how pathetic.

The vast majority of geniuses throughout history have all been meat eaters except some from India.

Don't bring religion into this as religion is irrelevant to your lifestyle/diet.

http://www.ivu.org/history/northam20a/einstein.html

[CoinGeneral]

Unfair comparison, as you're not doing each one individually. Why is there no combination with Atheists + Meat eaters and Vegetarian + Christian? Results would not be the same.

It's comparing how Veganism and Atheism are very related to each other while Christianity and Meat Eating are just as similar to each other.

For example, to become an atheist or a vegan, you have to challenge your cultural views. You have to view the world with an open mind and research topics that may hurt your original cultural belief but will irregardlessly improve your intellect as you can now see the world from a new perspective.

To stay a Christian or meat eater, you have to keep a closed mind, you have to say every opposing evidence is wrong with no argument.

Here are some more similarities:

Most people are born religious and meat eater - Most people are not born vegan or atheist.
Religious and meat eaters have lower IQ - Vegans and atheists have higher IQ.
Religious and meat eaters don't question their belief - Vegans and atheists question all new information.
Religious and meat eaters only see the world in one way - Vegans and atheists have seen the world in different ways.

Also when you are an atheist debating against a Christian, it is like a Vegan debating against meat eaters. The christian or meat eater will not give strong arguments and will not listen to your arguments. The vegan or atheist will give strong arguments backed with factual information but more than likely it will fall on deaf ears.

Understand now?

[Dogtanian]

Theres Genesis 9:3
 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Theres plenty about eating animals, I don't what bible you are looking in.

He probably wasn’t looking in any bible seeing as intelligent people don't get their rules or morality from such books.

Even if your not of Christiain faith, theres still things that are common sense, and historical truths.

For example
Thou shall not murder? Common sense, happens to be in the bible.
Adultery, lying, all common sense, "happens" to be in the bible. So yeah, "Intelligent" people may or may not get there rules/morality from the bible but does not mean you should dismiss the book altogether. That maybe a reason why its the number one most sold book.....

Thou shall not murder unless you're a homosexual. What does the ammount of copies sold have to do with anything either?

[hilariousandco]

Even if your not of Christiain faith, theres still things that are common sense, and historical truths.

For example
Thou shall not murder? Common sense, happens to be in the bible.
Adultery, lying, all common sense, "happens" to be in the bible. So yeah, "Intelligent" people may or may not get there rules/morality from the bible but does not mean you should dismiss the book altogether. That maybe a reason why its the number one most sold book.....

It's not because there's some exemple of common sense in the bible, that everything in it can be taken litteraly without questioning.
And historical truths? Like that the Earth is 6000 years old?

No like that Jesus is a real person that has walked the earth. Bible never states how many days are in a year, many hours in a day, etc. So yes its completley plausible that Earth is 6000 "years" old.

I'm not sure the bible saying there was a person called Jesus is historical proof/truth.

[kuroman]

• Plants feel no pain, they have no consciousness, they have no nervous system, they don't feel emotion.

How do you know that plants have no conscious and don't feel pain <.< were you a plant before ? hmm , also we eat animals that eat mostly plants, because animals that eat meat are unhealthy to us in general -.-, plants deserves more rights !

You read three words of the second bullet point but not the rest of it and wrote a whole reply saying I'm wrong.

Just to repeat what I already said in the same bullet point: they have no central nervous system, they have no organs that allow them to have consciousness.

Just because your arm is alive doesn't mean your arm can think on its own. It can't even feel pain on its own, you need your brain to feel the pain and to control it aka a central nervous system.

Plus you completely threw out every other bullet point out the window.
1) They evolved to be consumed
2) You don't even eat the whole plant when you eat a fruit or most vegetables, you only eat a small part of it that regrows and the main plant continues to grow too

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Read the last bullet point:



Higher IQ study: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

Higher IQ more likely to become vegetarian (and atheists): http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/4721

Another higher IQ study: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

I suggest reading through the first two pages, they have a lot of pictures and more factual information in them.

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Close minded replies:

There is nothing wrong with eating meat. It is not like if you don't eat meat you will save animals. They will be killed anyway. So if you like meat eat it...

I agree with your opinion, but I don't know if I can agree with that reasoning though. It's kinda like saying you can kill old people because they're going to die soon anyway.

Translation: Even though you are wrong, I like the fact that you are a meat eater like me, so I will side with you.

What's wrong with eating meat?

Nothing.
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Translation: I will just read the question, not read any arguments or facts that you state, and conclude that I was right all along: There is nothing wrong with eating meat.

"What they found was that vegetarians and vegans had average testosterone 6% and 16% higher than the carnivores, respectively"

"And by the way, I'm quite the meat-eater myself, so I don't like it either, but it seems true... vegans have a higher testosterone than us."

That research looks fake paid by grass eaters

Also if what you claim is true, why do vegan men sound like women? Explain that

Translation: Even though you might be right, I'll just say you're wrong because f you, that's why.

I didn't read partialy your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment

As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

[CoinGeneral]

What a load of rubbish, typical fake and desperate stats by vegans who claim to be above everyone. Vegans have been discredited by science constantly but they will never admit.

Where are your reference points from? Honestly I'm open to all ears, unlike you who will never try being a vegan. You will only live your life life in delusion thinking your viewpoint is best.

I've read a lot of sources that actually said a Vegan diet would not work. Most of them are completely false and stem from the same ideology you fools come at me with. Not enough nutrients. There are no scientific studies that back it up. There is no benefit to avoiding animal products. Yet I tried it out anyway, that's what having an open mind is all about.

I found out those sources were wrong through first hand experience. Then I did my own research, found out you can get all the animal nutrients from a Vegan diet regardless of what those sources say. That there are a TON of scientific evidence that back it up. And that there is a TON of benefit to it too.

FYI Einstein turned Vegetation only in the last year of his life this is well documented.

No shit? In Einstein's entire life he said he always felt guilty eating animals but never adopted a vegetarian diet until later in his life. Meaning he actually thought about his actions.

You on the other hand, don't feel guilty about it nor have you ever thought about why you eat what you eat.

Like I stated previously, a large majority of vegans and vegetarians come from a meat eating diet, such as a majority of atheists come from a religion.

You also obviously ignored Einstein's quote:

"So I am living without fats, without meat, without fish, but am feeling quite well this way. It always seems to me that man was not born to be a carnivore." - Albert Einstein

The vast majority of geniuses throughout history have all been meat eaters except some from India.

This argument holds no grounds as a large majority of the population in general have been meat eaters.

Out of all the geniuses possible, will you not agree that some of the most influential geniuses of all time have been vegan / vegetarian?:

And yes, almost everyone that is a vegetarian or vegan start out as a meat eater but found information that diverted them away from it.

Einstein - Theory of Relativity. Had the most groundbreaking discovery of the 20th century.
Isaac Newton - Created Calculus and Founded Physics. He is considered the father of Physics, the father of Calculus, the Father of Modern Medicine, and even the Father of Modern Science.
Nikola Tesla - Invented the radio and Alternating Current. Has a cult following that many of his inventions were stolen.
Gandhi - Civil Rights Movement
Buddha - Founded Buddhism
Steve Jobs - Created Apple
Ramanujan - Genius mathematician.
Edward Wittin - Einstein's successor and foremost string theorist
Brian Greene - Genius who refuted Einstein's theory that space could stretch but not tear.
Rosa Parks
Thomas Edison
Benjamin Franklin
Prince
Mike Tyson
Forest Whitaker
Natalie Portman
George Bernard Shaw
Leonardo Da Vinci
Leo Tolstoy
Cesar Chavez
Russell Brand
Carl Lewis
Paul McCartney
Bree Olson
Alicia Silverstone
John Harvey Kellogg, etc.

Q: Why do you think so many of the greatest geniuses have been vegetarian?

Greene: From my limited experience, vegetarians typically are people who are willing to challenge the usual, accepted order of things. Moreover, they’re often people willing to sacrifice their own pleasures in pursuit of what they believe is right. These same qualities are often what’s needed to make great breakthroughs in the arts and sciences.

There are so many influential geniuses who have been Vegan / Vegetarian like Ellen Degeneres and the Dalai Lama. Even Hitler was a Vegetarian. These guys were all open minded and challenged the culture they were born in. Unlike you trolls.

Also, you will probably just say everything I said here is BS, which is why it's pointless to argue with you guys. This is how atheists feel when they are arguing against Christians: You can't win, even though you are right every time.

[CoinGeneral]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment

Translation: I am closed minded and chose not to view your other statements yet I still replied saying you were completely wrong.

[hilariousandco]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment

Translation: I am closed minded and chose not to view your other statements yet I still replied saying you were completely wrong.

He's very close minded and never understand logic or facts. Read that post and the following ones he just linked to.

[yatsey87]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

[hilariousandco]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

No they're all atheists and vegans. Just kidding. You're not confused. Carl Sagan & Hawking aren't religious or believe in god and neither does Einstein. Please read the thread after that post.

[kuroman]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of proficient scientist that changed the world that are mentioned there ?
Sagan is an agnostic theist end and Einsteins believes in god, the rest of that list, clearly stated they are religious and believes in god, and that list puts to shame, the few scientist mentioned in that so called picture (I also don't consider Thomas Edison as proficient scientist considering what he did but that's another topic).

So to conclude neither religion or being a vegetarian or not add to your intelligence or remove anything from it and claiming such a thing is plain stupidity, just give your body all the substances it needs, and meat is one of them.

[yatsey87]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of profilant scientist mentioned there ?

Yeah I saw it but why is he still there? What about Sagan? And some of the others are religious but I don't know about all of them.

[kuroman]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of profilant scientist mentioned there ?

Yeah I saw it but why is he still there? What about Sagan? And some of the others are religious but I don't know about all of them.

You quoted me pretty quickly ^^, check out my reply, you can check them out, they all are religious with a clear stance, except, Sagan who doesn't follow a religion per say, but he doesn't denies God and he clearly said I quote :"Atheism is stupid" As for Einstein he is a Jew who believes in Spinoza God... these points were discussed in that topic.

[hilariousandco]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of profilant scientist mentioned there ?

Yeah I saw it but why is he still there? What about Sagan? And some of the others are religious but I don't know about all of them.

You quoted me pretty quickly ^^, check out my reply I think, you can check them out, they all are religious with a clear stance, except, Sagan who doesn't follow a religion per say, but he doesn't denies God and he clearly said I quote :"Atheism is stupid" As for Einstein he is a Jew who believes in Spinoza God... there points were discussed in that topic.

Jesus Christ how many excuses can you make for including them on the list? So not denying god makes them religious? You can put Richard Dawkins on the list with your logic. You need to read up on Spinoza's god. It's not what you think. You continually show a misunderstanding of this. Read what Sagan and Einstein said about Spinoza's god.

[yatsey87]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of profilant scientist mentioned there ?

Yeah I saw it but why is he still there? What about Sagan? And some of the others are religious but I don't know about all of them.

You quoted me pretty quickly ^^, check out my reply I think, you can check them out, they all are religious with a clear stance, except, Sagan who doesn't follow a religion per say, but he doesn't denies God and he clearly said I quote :"Atheism is stupid" As for Einstein he is a Jew who believes in Spinoza God... there points were discussed in that topic.

I don't know what spinozas god is but sagan is defiantly not relgious at all. Have you seen Cosmos series?

[kuroman]

I didn't read partial your reply I decided to reply on that part because it's the only part that sounded like an argument in your comment
As for for Atheism + Vegetarian having higher IQ, that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard, I'll let you check some facts here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147
Have a good read.

What's that list of? Karl Sagan & Hawkings aren't religious or am I confused here?

Here we go again, didn't you see the huge striketrough on Hawkings, how about the other dozen of profilant scientist mentioned there ?

Yeah I saw it but why is he still there? What about Sagan? And some of the others are religious but I don't know about all of them.

You quoted me pretty quickly ^^, check out my reply I think, you can check them out, they all are religious with a clear stance, except, Sagan who doesn't follow a religion per say, but he doesn't denies God and he clearly said I quote :"Atheism is stupid" As for Einstein he is a Jew who believes in Spinoza God... there points were discussed in that topic.

Jesus Christ how many excuses can you make for including them on the list? So not denying god makes them religious? You can put Richard Dawkins on the list with your logic. You need to read up on Spinoza's god. It's not what you think. You continually show a misunderstanding of this. Read what Sagan and Einstein said about Spinoza's god.

No How about you answer my last comment on that thread so we can stop this off topic right here. Dawkins is the most Atheist of modern mediated (dunno if it is the correct word) scientist there is heck he is an Atheism preacher and has nothing to do with that list (see when someone is Atheist, I say so clearly, unlike you) and even if we disregard Sagan and Einstein what do you do about the rest of the list? so what's your next excuse here? go ahead and tell us.

I don't know what spinozas god is but sagan is defiantly not relgious at all. Have you seen Cosmos series?

Please reread what I said, and of course I've seen cosmos, and for reference religious doesn't mean Christian, a lot of people makes this confusion.

[Rulishix]

I don't see anything wrong with eating meat. Nothing wrong with not eating meat. We are all different. Why all the hate?