What's wrong with eating meat?

[the joint]

Eat meat every day, there's nothing wrong in eating it. Human needs meat, as needs vegetables and fruits.

Have you read a single post in this thread? Humans can live without meat, and you can get the necessary proteins and such in other foods.
Note: Another day without eating meat at all, fish tastes quite good. I feel a bit better today. 

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Fish meat is meat.  I never understood why people think eating fish means they're giving up meat.  If you eat fish, you're not a vegetarian.

Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.

Note:  Had three steaks last night, a glorious eggs benedict with canadian bacon for brunch, and out for more steak tonight.  I feel fantastic!

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[hashman]

Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.

If you are interested you will find several amusing accounts of doctors during the last few hundred years who have tried to prove just that.  Vitamin C can be found in raw liver, etc.  Raw sheep brain suggested by one for other necessary vitamins.  Generally they don't ever do as well as the Inuit apparently do.  Cheers to OP!     

[the joint]

Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.

If you are interested you will find several amusing accounts of doctors during the last few hundred years who have tried to prove just that.  Vitamin C can be found in raw liver, etc.  Raw sheep brain suggested by one for other necessary vitamins.  Generally they don't ever do as well as the Inuit apparently do.  Cheers to OP!     

My vitamin/mineral supplement gives me 8,333% daily intake of Vitamin C; what my body doesn't use, I pee.  Seems like overkill, doesn't it?

[master-P]

Stop lying, those vegan dishes don't take less time to prepare and cook. I cook most of my food from scratch so I have quite a bit of experience. Cooking foods that you prepare from scratch usually takes a lot longer than eating outside or processed junk, but one must make some sacrifices to reap the benefits. You're trying to make it seem like going vegan is a smooth transition, but in reality it's a radical change in one's lifestyle where they would have to make sacrifices in order to gain perceived benefits.

Stop lying? I wouldn't lie to you man. Have you even prepared one of those dishes or not? This is from my personal experience. Cooking meat took a shitload of time, I had to let the meat thaw from the freezer, I had to cut the meat one by one, use up some oil, put it into a frying pan, let it sizzle, wait by the food, flip it over, etc, it just took a shitload of time. That vegan burger literally heats up in a minute or two no oil required. I'm not even lying or exaggerating. To prepare a salad, all you do is grab vegetables from the refrigerator, put it on a plate, add some sauce for flavor, then eat. To eat non-processed foods like fruit, all you do is grab the fruit, open it up, and eat. Where am I lying here? Try it, prepare a vegetarian or vegan food like those above, and it is basically instantaneous. I am surprised you even called me a liar.

The transition to not eating meat varies from person to person. I'm not saying it will be an easy transition for everyone, it depends on how willing you are to do your own research about the subject. See, if you were interested in becoming vegetarian, you would at least look up information about it, then you would try it out. For example pretty much 99% of anything you can eat is vegetarian. Read some more tips and advice from people, apply those, and it makes the transition a lot easier. You assumed I was making it seem like an easy transition, because it is, But like I said, it just depends on how you look at it and how willing you are to apply it.

Also, there aren't any sacrifices man. None. No sacrifices at all. The only thing you would gain from it are benefits and if you think about it, you know that what I'm saying is true.

So for a salad you don't have to wash vegetables? Some leafy greens like parsley and cilantro have lots of dirt in them and need a very thorough wash. That sure takes time. Then the cutting board has to get pulled out; surely those vegetables don't just cut themselves. And who wants unhealthy store-bought salad dressing? Gotta make your own there too.

By the way, your examples don't count because you're eating already prepared food that simply has to be cooked or is ready-to-eat, so there is very little preparation involved. If I brought you raw soybeans and asked you to make me a veggie burger, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of steps involved (soaking the dry beans overnight, then boiling them, then grinding them up with other stuff, then shaping them into patties, etc).

I personally wouldn't want to be eating a meat/meatless burger regularly unless I was the one grinding it up and knowing exactly what goes into it. I guess you're a comfort-food type of person, so you don't really spend much time preparing food. Many types of meals made from scratch are time-consuming, whether they contain meat or not.

Btw, eating a fruit isn't really considered a meal, more like a treat or snack. And some fruits take a bit of work, like pomegranates for example.

[hilariousandco]

There are very few real vegetarians. My niece is vegetarian but she eats ham

Then she's not a vegetarian then, and there are plenty or 'real ones'. Just because you might know someone who claims to be a vegetarian but eats a bit of meat does not make real vegetarians 'very few'.

[hilariousandco]

There are very few real vegetarians. My niece is vegetarian but she eats ham

Then she's not a vegetarian then, and there are plenty or 'real ones'. Just because you might know someone who claims to be a vegetarian but eats a bit of meat does not make real vegetarians 'very few'.

Let me rephrase that for you.
My niece 'says' she is a vegetarian but she does eat ham.
I believe there are far fewer 'real' vegetarians than there are (self proclaimed) vegetarians.

Sudo vegetarians versus real vegetarian numbers. Well, you may have me there. I'm still going with the sudo.

If your uncle was a rapist but said he was a feminist that doesn't make him one  . There are plenty of hypocrites around but plenty of true veggies and vegans too.

[master-P]

The pseudo vegetarians probably far outnumber the real ones. All the vegetarians I know eat some form of meat, or cheat sometimes. Can't really blame them though...

[Bitinator]

never mind. forget it.

[Lauda]

Have you read a single post in this thread? Humans can live without meat, and you can get the necessary proteins and such in other foods.
Note: Another day without eating meat at all, fish tastes quite good. I feel a bit better today.  

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Fish meat is meat.  I never understood why people think eating fish means they're giving up meat.  If you eat fish, you're not a vegetarian.
Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.
Note:  Had three steaks last night, a glorious eggs benedict with canadian bacon for brunch, and out for more steak tonight.  I feel fantastic!

Fish is not considered meat, this is why:

As a generic culinary and butchery term of art, "meat" refers to the muscular flesh of a mammal. This is the definition most commonly applied by governments in meat product regulation and food labeling, and in religious rites and rituals.

Because of this I don't consider it meat, also eating fish is very healthy. Even in my culture in which I live, people don't consider fish as meat. I never said that I'm a vegetarian either. 

[the joint]

Have you read a single post in this thread? Humans can live without meat, and you can get the necessary proteins and such in other foods.
Note: Another day without eating meat at all, fish tastes quite good. I feel a bit better today.  

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Fish meat is meat.  I never understood why people think eating fish means they're giving up meat.  If you eat fish, you're not a vegetarian.
Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.
Note:  Had three steaks last night, a glorious eggs benedict with canadian bacon for brunch, and out for more steak tonight.  I feel fantastic!

Fish is not considered meat, this is why:

As a generic culinary and butchery term of art, "meat" refers to the muscular flesh of a mammal. This is the definition most commonly applied by governments in meat product regulation and food labeling, and in religious rites and rituals.

Because of this I don't consider it meat, also eating fish is very healthy. Even in my culture in which I live, people don't consider fish as meat. I never said that I'm a vegetarian either.  

You can spin it however you want, but fallacy isn't made truth through multiplied propagation.

Let me ask you this -- if the muscular flesh of a fish isn't meat, what is it?

Edit:  Seems more like artful butchery of the term rather than a butchery term of art.

[counter]

Ractopamine is a drug used as a feed additive to promote leanness in animals raised for their meat. Pharmacologically, it is a beta-adrenergic agonist. It is the active ingredient in products known as Paylean for swine and Optaflexx for cattle, developed by Elanco Animal Health, a division of Eli Lilly and Company, for use in food animals for growth promotion.

Ractopamine has been banned in the European Union, mainland China and Russia.[1][2]

I'd say things like this would be a problem with eathing meat but that is just me.  Doubt anybody even knows it's in there haha, let alone what it is doing to those eating the stuff.

[Slab Squathrust]

Have you read a single post in this thread? Humans can live without meat, and you can get the necessary proteins and such in other foods.
Note: Another day without eating meat at all, fish tastes quite good. I feel a bit better today.  

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Fish meat is meat.  I never understood why people think eating fish means they're giving up meat.  If you eat fish, you're not a vegetarian.
Humans can live without vegetables, and you can get the necessary fiber, vitamins, and minerals from other sources.
Note:  Had three steaks last night, a glorious eggs benedict with canadian bacon for brunch, and out for more steak tonight.  I feel fantastic!

Fish is not considered meat, this is why:

As a generic culinary and butchery term of art, "meat" refers to the muscular flesh of a mammal. This is the definition most commonly applied by governments in meat product regulation and food labeling, and in religious rites and rituals.

Because of this I don't consider it meat, also eating fish is very healthy. Even in my culture in which I live, people don't consider fish as meat. I never said that I'm a vegetarian either.  

So is poultry meat?  Last time I checked, birds are not mammals?  You do realize that at the cellular level, a muscle cell from all animals are relatively indistinguishable.  They all use a homologous set of genes to achieve the same function.  Ultimately, for you to have your fish, an animal must give it's life.  

[Lauda]

Fish is not considered meat, this is why:

As a generic culinary and butchery term of art, "meat" refers to the muscular flesh of a mammal. This is the definition most commonly applied by governments in meat product regulation and food labeling, and in religious rites and rituals.

Because of this I don't consider it meat, also eating fish is very healthy. Even in my culture in which I live, people don't consider fish as meat. I never said that I'm a vegetarian either.  

So is poultry meat?  Last time I checked, birds are not mammals?  You do realize that at the cellular level, a muscle cell from all animals are relatively indistinguishable.  They all use a homologous set of genes to achieve the same function.  Ultimately, for you to have your fish, an animal must give it's life.  

This is something that I've found online. It is not something that I stand by. Like I have said, where I live people don't consider eating meat eating fish. It might not be correct, but it is just how it is. Eating red meat is not healthy, eating fish is though.

[kuroman]

Fish is meat, fish is an animal and fish (the dish) is flesh like red or white meat, fish is composed of proteins like other meats, well is it exactly the same as red meat?, no it isn't, it is as different as white meat is different from red meat. Preferring it over red meat? this can be legitimate and should be respected, but eating an animal and being vegetarian doesn't sound correct to me tho

But anyway, is anything wrong with eating meat? No nothing is wrong as long as it is not abused like with everything eating the necessary quantities of meat is as important as eating the necessary quantities of different vegetables to achieve a balanced diet, our bodies requires different elements in different quantities, and people saying otherwise on this thread are just spouting stupidity and hopefully will see the light instead of arguing just for the sake of arguing.

I can understand and respect, that some vegetarians don't eat meat, because it reminds them of the animals they came from and can't support imagining them being killed, and this should be respected, but from there to say being purely vegetarian is better to health or makes you more intelligent or whatever is perfect none sense

[the joint]

Fish is not considered meat, this is why:

As a generic culinary and butchery term of art, "meat" refers to the muscular flesh of a mammal. This is the definition most commonly applied by governments in meat product regulation and food labeling, and in religious rites and rituals.

Because of this I don't consider it meat, also eating fish is very healthy. Even in my culture in which I live, people don't consider fish as meat. I never said that I'm a vegetarian either.  

So is poultry meat?  Last time I checked, birds are not mammals?  You do realize that at the cellular level, a muscle cell from all animals are relatively indistinguishable.  They all use a homologous set of genes to achieve the same function.  Ultimately, for you to have your fish, an animal must give it's life.  

This is something that I've found online. It is not something that I stand by. Like I have said, where I live people don't consider eating meat eating fish. It might not be correct, but it is just how it is. Eating red meat is not healthy, eating fish is though.

Since when is eating red meat unhealthy?

Okay, maybe if you're slamming down several pounds of prime rib per day where half of that weight is fat, then sure.  But I DO routinely eat pounds of leaner red meat (e.g. Filet mignon, sirloin, skirt steak, etc.) on a consistent basis and I'm in excellent health.

[rokkyroad]

Fish is meat, fish is an animal and fish (the dish) is flesh like red or white meat, fish is composed of proteins like other meats, well is it exactly the same as red meat?, no it isn't, it is as different as white meat is different from red meat. Preferring it over red meat? this can be legitimate and should be respected, but eating an animal and being vegetarian doesn't sound correct to me tho

But anyway, is anything wrong with eating meat? No nothing is wrong as long as it is not abused like with everything eating the necessary quantities of meat is as important as eating the necessary quantities of different vegetables to achieve a balanced diet, our bodies requires different elements in different quantities, and people saying otherwise on this thread are just spouting stupidity and hopefully will see the light instead of arguing just for the sake of arguing.

I can understand and respect, that some vegetarians don't eat meat, because it reminds them of the animals they came from and can support imagining them being killed, and this should be respected, but from there to say being purely vegetarian is better to health or makes you more intelligent or whatever is perfect none sense

You sum this topic up well. Well done and thankyou.

[Lauda]

Since when is eating red meat unhealthy?

Okay, maybe if you're slamming down several pounds of prime rib per day where half of that weight is fat, then sure.  But I DO routinely eat pounds of leaner red meat (e.g. Filet mignon, sirloin, skirt steak, etc.) on a consistent basis and I'm in excellent health.

That highlighted part is very important.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/how-red-meat-affects-your-health-7-reasons-avoid-beef-253727
http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/nutrition_news_information/is_eating_red_meat_good_or_bad_for_your_health

[LostDutchman]

Bison, a.k.a., "buffalo" is quite heathy!

http://www.chicagonow.com/katalin-fitness-health-driven/2012/02/5-reasons-to-eat-bison-the-new-healthy-red-meat/#image/1

"If a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle is what you follow, then the title of this blog will probably upset you.  There seems to be a very well defined line in the sand between those who eat meat and those who don’t.   If you are against meat and believe it has no nutritional value for humans then my blog today is not a good topic for you.

If you are a meat eater, or love red meat and perhaps have stopped because your doctor told you to give it up, you might want to consider bison (or buffalo) meat as your once a month treat.

    It is taster than beef and richer in flavor.
    It is simply healthier than regular cow beef.   It is lower in saturated fat than regular cow beef.
    Bison is a great source of nutrients, it has the basics: zinc, niacin, iron, vitamin B6 and selenium.  A quick review of some important things these nutrients do:

Selenium – helps prevent cellular damage from free radical.
Zinc- does a lot- helps immune system, hair and skin health and overall cell function
Niacin helps convert food into energy for the body – all at the cellular level
Iron- carries oxygen through the body
B6- tons of value of for physical and even mental health.

4.  Bison cattle are not handled like cows.  They are mostly living in a freer environment compared to cow/cattle.  Although there are many cattle            farms that treat the cows humanly, bison seem to be cared for like the elite class of the farm.

5.  Bison is one of the leanest meats and still has a lot of protein.  But it is the amount of protein you get in bison meat, without the saturated fat               that makes this a great alternative to regular beef."

[androz]

Seriously animals have no rights in this world! They are just like slaves to us, for us to kill and torture as much as we want! Who cares if they are suffering and crying and making squealing noises while bleeding all over the place?

I'm a strong supporter of animal rights and i gladly eat veggies instead of meat.

But unfortunately i read that also veggies could have rights because they could feel pain
Dr. Bill Williams, a botanist at The Helvetica Institute: "Plants are aware," says Dr. Williams, "and they feel pain!" 

[tspacepilot]

What I want to know, after reading this thread, is what's *right* about eating meat?  Now we know all the problems, assuming you guys aren't all becoming vegetarians, why do you keep eating this sort of thing?