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December 08, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
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Just to spread the good news... even though its not big news, its big to me.

I successfully have accumulated 1 XMR by mining with my own Xeon 771-775 sticker-hacked ebay-built rigs on monerohash... after having learned enough linux (or copy and pasting code into terminals... can't tell you how many times I've killed a program by ctrl-c'ing in a damn terminal... btw, thank you all you nice linux people for putting terminal code on the interwebs so I can just copy-paste.. or copy-shift-insert, as the case may be).

and then to see it pop up on my wallet as my client was catching up to the network.

very satisfying. Yay. My very first self-mined cryptocurrency.

now if I could only snipe some 750 ti's.

Welcome, though you're kind'a late...

Better late than never.  I didn't mine my first XMR until August.   But have mined a good bit now.  Matter of fact have a 290x GPU coming in today to run on my latest rig.  5x 280x and 1x 290x as a flagship card on that rig.    

You're mining XMR. On AMD cards. Why? Mining something else (pretty much anything else) and buying XMR would get you more.

I'm buying them too, especially now with the price at rock bottom.  Price will go back up though.  Hold them coins for days ahead.

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December 08, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
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Just to spread the good news... even though its not big news, its big to me.

I successfully have accumulated 1 XMR by mining with my own Xeon 771-775 sticker-hacked ebay-built rigs on monerohash... after having learned enough linux (or copy and pasting code into terminals... can't tell you how many times I've killed a program by ctrl-c'ing in a damn terminal... btw, thank you all you nice linux people for putting terminal code on the interwebs so I can just copy-paste.. or copy-shift-insert, as the case may be).

and then to see it pop up on my wallet as my client was catching up to the network.

very satisfying. Yay. My very first self-mined cryptocurrency.

now if I could only snipe some 750 ti's.

Welcome, though you're kind'a late...

Better late than never.  I didn't mine my first XMR until August.   But have mined a good bit now.  Matter of fact have a 290x GPU coming in today to run on my latest rig.  5x 280x and 1x 290x as a flagship card on that rig.    

You're mining XMR. On AMD cards. Why? Mining something else (pretty much anything else) and buying XMR would get you more.

I'm buying them too, especially now with the price at rock bottom.  Price will go back up though.  Hold them coins for days ahead.

Well, yeah - but you'd probably 1.5x or more the amount of coins you'd get from mining... odd that you're directly mining it.

Its good that he is supporting the network, in dollar terms he wouldnt make much more if he switched.

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December 08, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
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Just to spread the good news... even though its not big news, its big to me.

I successfully have accumulated 1 XMR by mining with my own Xeon 771-775 sticker-hacked ebay-built rigs on monerohash... after having learned enough linux (or copy and pasting code into terminals... can't tell you how many times I've killed a program by ctrl-c'ing in a damn terminal... btw, thank you all you nice linux people for putting terminal code on the interwebs so I can just copy-paste.. or copy-shift-insert, as the case may be).

and then to see it pop up on my wallet as my client was catching up to the network.

very satisfying. Yay. My very first self-mined cryptocurrency.

now if I could only snipe some 750 ti's.

Welcome, though you're kind'a late...

Better late than never.  I didn't mine my first XMR until August.   But have mined a good bit now.  Matter of fact have a 290x GPU coming in today to run on my latest rig.  5x 280x and 1x 290x as a flagship card on that rig.    

You're mining XMR. On AMD cards. Why? Mining something else (pretty much anything else) and buying XMR would get you more.

I'm buying them too, especially now with the price at rock bottom.  Price will go back up though.  Hold them coins for days ahead.

Well, yeah - but you'd probably 1.5x or more the amount of coins you'd get from mining... odd that you're directly mining it.

Its good that he is supporting the network, in dollar terms he wouldnt make much more if he switched.

Are you kidding? Mining Neoscrypt gets you LOADS more than Monero right now.

Actually, it's a great idea to mine-and-sell some other coin/s, and then buy XMR with the earnings. That way, Monero would get some buy support!
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December 08, 2014, 08:15:26 PM
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Just to spread the good news... even though its not big news, its big to me.

I successfully have accumulated 1 XMR by mining with my own Xeon 771-775 sticker-hacked ebay-built rigs on monerohash... after having learned enough linux (or copy and pasting code into terminals... can't tell you how many times I've killed a program by ctrl-c'ing in a damn terminal... btw, thank you all you nice linux people for putting terminal code on the interwebs so I can just copy-paste.. or copy-shift-insert, as the case may be).

and then to see it pop up on my wallet as my client was catching up to the network.

very satisfying. Yay. My very first self-mined cryptocurrency.

now if I could only snipe some 750 ti's.

Welcome, though you're kind'a late...

Better late than never.  I didn't mine my first XMR until August.   But have mined a good bit now.  Matter of fact have a 290x GPU coming in today to run on my latest rig.  5x 280x and 1x 290x as a flagship card on that rig.    

You're mining XMR. On AMD cards. Why? Mining something else (pretty much anything else) and buying XMR would get you more.

I'm buying them too, especially now with the price at rock bottom.  Price will go back up though.  Hold them coins for days ahead.

Well, yeah - but you'd probably 1.5x or more the amount of coins you'd get from mining... odd that you're directly mining it.

Its good that he is supporting the network, in dollar terms he wouldnt make much more if he switched.

Are you kidding? Mining Neoscrypt gets you LOADS more than Monero right now.

I might be noob and late to the game, but in my mind supporting the network by hashing directly will ultimately support the coin, right? Whereas mining some other cc and then buying xmr could only potentially support the coin if you bought at a relatively high price to drive the market valuation up (somehow pulling this off without priming a pump dump bump).

And also, while i'm waiving my noob flag, i just want to get a final clarification - participating in hashing secures the network by driving up the difficulty (preventing the 51% attack), whereas running a node secures the network by holding a copy of the ledger to participate in ledger comparison / verification.

It'd be interesting to rank the available cryptocurrencies by # of nodes. I know this exists for BTC: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ .

Interesting. You take the network hash rate of BTC (311 ph/s) , divide that by # of nodes (6549), you get an average of 47 th/s per node.  Noob flag again: a pool is essentially 1 node, right?

Could one thwart the bitcoin network just by building (6549 / 2 + 1) nodes and modifying these nodes ledgers simultaneously? (or am I just describing a 51%??)

(lowers his noob flag and goes back to hiding)

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Just to spread the good news... even though its not big news, its big to me.

I successfully have accumulated 1 XMR by mining with my own Xeon 771-775 sticker-hacked ebay-built rigs on monerohash... after having learned enough linux (or copy and pasting code into terminals... can't tell you how many times I've killed a program by ctrl-c'ing in a damn terminal... btw, thank you all you nice linux people for putting terminal code on the interwebs so I can just copy-paste.. or copy-shift-insert, as the case may be).

and then to see it pop up on my wallet as my client was catching up to the network.

very satisfying. Yay. My very first self-mined cryptocurrency.

now if I could only snipe some 750 ti's.

Welcome, though you're kind'a late...

Better late than never.  I didn't mine my first XMR until August.   But have mined a good bit now.  Matter of fact have a 290x GPU coming in today to run on my latest rig.  5x 280x and 1x 290x as a flagship card on that rig.    

You're mining XMR. On AMD cards. Why? Mining something else (pretty much anything else) and buying XMR would get you more.

I'm buying them too, especially now with the price at rock bottom.  Price will go back up though.  Hold them coins for days ahead.

Well, yeah - but you'd probably 1.5x or more the amount of coins you'd get from mining... odd that you're directly mining it.

Its good that he is supporting the network, in dollar terms he wouldnt make much more if he switched.

Are you kidding? Mining Neoscrypt gets you LOADS more than Monero right now.

What coin(s)?

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December 08, 2014, 09:27:25 PM
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Could one thwart the bitcoin network just by building (6549 / 2 + 1) nodes and modifying these nodes ledgers simultaneously? (or am I just describing a 51%??)
Block-chain! Stringed up one block following another, beeing in a mathematical relation with it's predecessor that is currently impossible to forge.
You network would have to present something conclusive beginning from block #1 and the nodes have checkpoints with known checksums coded in, so can differentiate between "the blockchain" and "another blockchain".
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December 08, 2014, 09:35:36 PM
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roight roight roight. I feel sheepish.  Lips sealed

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December 08, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
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This Re-doubles my faith in Monero.

https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/brs-arbitrary-output-sizes.txt

Unless I have read this incorrectly it is a simple addition to Cryptonote coins?

Not, not really, and whether or not it's a security improvement is questionable as it adds a new level of associative data to transactions (outputs are exponentially more likely to be smaller mixed in inputs than larger ones). At best you reduce bloat by a constant while introducing a property whose application to forensics is unknown.

Is there a rebute to this "possible" security issue that this purports to address. And when you say no you did not mean it would not be an "easy" integration?

There is no such issue. There are only around 100 possible coin sizes with the current denomination scheme (which could be reduced with something like a 1+2+5 system), so there is no issue with not being able to find matching output sizes for any reasonable non-dust amount.  I don't think they understood how denominations worked when they wrote that (are denominations in the cryptonote white paper?) or simply wanted to write a paper about an application of cryptography and didn't care.

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December 08, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
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Yes, it does support the coin - however, it raises the difficulty, too. If everyone mined, no one would be profitable - by buying coins, you're lowering the difficulty, and someone else will become profitable because of it and begin mining. It's not like mining will cease.

I agree. Buying also supports the coin.

I disagree a bit with what you are saying though about this or that being more profitable to mine. It doesn't necessarily make sense for a hobby miner to switch around constantly to the most profitable coin/algorithm and deal with getting everything working properly and optimized. If you consider the coins that have come and gone since Monero, its pretty reasonable to ignore the hot coin of the day and just stick with something having some longevity if you aren't running a big operation.

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December 08, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
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it's not really a flavor of the day, like most, more a flavor of the month, which makes it worth the effort.

That is totally subjective. GPU mining really isn't worth the effort at all to me, so if I had some GPUs and cheap power I'd probably not look for flavor of the month either. I'd rather just set something up and have it run with little or no attention for many months or years. I did this with LTC for example. I'm pretty sure during that time there were more profitable coins that came and went but if I had to pay attention I wouldn't have mined at all, and it was profitable the whole time. I did switch to a multipool at one point though.





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December 08, 2014, 10:58:44 PM
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So will there be the missive & new build today?

Maybe Monday Monero Missive

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December 08, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
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Does anyone have an ETA on the Monero GUI client yet? Not trolling, serious question.

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December 08, 2014, 11:45:28 PM
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If you're GPU mining at all right now, you understand it requires time and attention. If you're not prepared to give it any, then get on a multipool. They have Neoscrypt, too - all you really need to do is get pretty good configs for the algos, then hop on the multipool, and it'll switch both coins and algos according to profitability.

You're still not getting it. GPU mining doesn't require (much) time and attention unless you approach it that way, and you're not in a position to say what other people are "required" to do. Why should I mine a coin I don't want, using a setup that I don't necessarily expect to remain viable for a long time, then deal with exchanges and trading, just to get a small amount of increased revenue?

There are different approaches to mining. If you have cheap or free electricity then mining Monero using a mature miner and a very stable rig, using a well-maintained and stable pool is something that is likely to just keep going without much care and feeding for a long time, either at a profit or at a small loss (but perhaps acceptable given the goal to accumulate coins). You get coins you want right into the wallet you want without much or any time and attention Not unlike BTC mining really. The alternative of messing around with a bunch of other stuff and trading from coin to coin is not necessarily a good return on time investment.

That said, a multipool pool that paid out in Monero and allowed mining other algorithms might be useful.

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December 08, 2014, 11:50:57 PM
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I think you're not getting it - you don't adopt a kid if you don't have time to feed it and take care of it

Mining is not a adopting a kid, it is running a computer. Approached in a low-maintenance manner, it can be very similar to running a file server that doesn't require much attention for months or years.

The break even electricity rate for Monero GPU mining is not even that low (haven't worked it out recently but maybe 10 cents/kwh). Yes I cringe when I see people posting about how "the difficulty is too damn high" because mining isn't profitable for them at 30 eurocents/kwh, but in locations with low rates you will still be profitable or accumulate coins at a small loss with little to no maintenance effort.
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December 08, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
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Hobby miner here. Mining Monero with 5 290's

It makes sense, because it keeps my room warm and it's what I want to do.

Some days I get bored and mess with miners for other things. Maybe two days out of the month.

The other 28 or so days, I'm just happy to have Monero coming in and not have to pay any attention to mining at all.

I just don't see the need to mess with software for hours to squeeze that extra twenty dollars a month.

It can't afford me (especially if it takes longer than an hour) to mess with anyways.

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December 08, 2014, 11:56:00 PM
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Missive!

https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/112/monday-monero-missives-20-december-8th-2014
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December 09, 2014, 12:05:09 AM
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Monero Monday Missives

December 8th, 2014
 
Hello, and welcome to our twentieth Monero Monday Missive! We're combining last week's one with this week's, as last week's Missive was pulled down shortly after being put up due to breaking issues in the Windows build of Monero 0.8.8.5 (since resolved). Thank you for your patience!

Major Updates

Monero 0.8.8.6, recommended update, please take note of new download links:
 
Windows, 64-bit (monero.cc/downloads/win64) - SHA: facbeb2e408cf8b9a46534363eba161dbb047654  
OS X, 64-bit (monero.cc/downloads/mac) - SHA: 7069de92083fb7831b063cc152e8f35508ff61bf  
Linux, 64-bit (monero.cc/downloads/linux) - SHA: 16f3f55bcfbfae6135cbeda6574f651890a8be64  
FreeBSD, 64-bit (monero.cc/downloads/freebsd) - SHA: 9fd0005b697e146a26a0bf9e3cd0c89b978f7fbd  

NOTE: When opening your wallet with simplewallet for the first time with this update you will be prompted to choose a language for your mnemonic seed words, and you will be given a new 25 word mnemonic. You will always be able to restore from the old 24 word mnemonic seed, but it is of course recommended that you move to the newer, more robust mnemonic.

1. We are (finally) happy to release Monero 0.8.8.6. We released 0.8.8.5 last week, but due to a breaking Windows bug we pulled the announcement down until we solved the bug on the weekend. The major changes for 0.8.8.5 include: OpenAlias support, per-kb fees, multi-language mnemonics, file-based checkpointing, MoneroPulse DNS checkpointing, a move from MSVC to an msys2 / mingw-w64 build environment for Windows, and brand new build CMake. 0.8.8.6 adds some important fixes to the multi-language mnemonic system.

2. Due to the launch of MyMonero we feel it prudent to add a new section to the Missives, called "External Projects". This is a section to provide updates on other projects that are not an official part of the Monero Project or collectively created by the Monero Core Team, but is related to Monero in some way - thus OpenAlias would not be part of this section, but MyMonero would. If you have an update you would like included in this section, please email dev@monero.cc for inclusion the following Monday, or send any member of the Monero Core Team a message. If this section becomes overly full we may choose to shutter the section, so please keep updates brief and only those that are important. It is not a marketing area, and so every new mining pool launched or minor feature added to a pool will not be eligible for inclusion (although if you've done something cool, let us know;)

3. We're also quite happy to announce the addition of a new feature to Monero: Smart Mining. This is a feature that will evolve over time, but at its most basic it is something that will allow everyone running the client software to support the network in an unobtrusive manner. Smart Mining detects your CPU usage, and if your CPU is idle and you aren't on battery power (for laptops and/or connected UPS devices) it will begin mining. As soon you switch to battery power or your CPU activity picks up it will pause mining until it sees it is safe to start again. You still set your Monero address for Smart Mining, as always, and whilst your chances of solving a block may be relatively small (for now;) it is still an easy way to support the network without needing to purchase expensive equipment. This work is complete (for Linux) and is currently being tweaked to work on our other supported operating systems. Ongoing process can be followed here: https://github.com/oranjuice/bitmonero/tree/smart-mining

External Projects

MyMonero: the various modal windows, such as the login screen, should be displaying correctly across devices now. We are fixing the scroll issues which still plagues these on some devices. Just to make sure everyone is aware after the recent blockchain.info issues: the MyMonero code has unit tests using the Jasmine testing framework for JavaScript, as well as tests for other parts of the backend application. These tests are executed and checked for every commit. We also have had HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) enabled from the beginning, and have various other things enabled for client-side security such as X-Frame-Options set to deny, X-XSS-Protection on, and X-Content-Type-Options set to nosniff.

I2PD: for those not aware, the i2pd project is a new implementation of the i2p protocol in C++, and is the software that Monero will use for its connection to the i2p network. The source code of the project can be found here: https://github.com/PrivacySolutions/i2pd - the regular stream of commits is testament to the ongoing progress being made. The i2pd team will provide regular updates on i2p-specific functionality as it is added and the project grows to a point of maturity.

Dev Diary

Build: tests are now disabled when building the build-release, build-debug, or release-static targets. The default make target (all-release) will include tests, as will all test- targets, obviously.

Account: lots of fixes to multi-lang mnemonics, although UTF-8 on Windows still seems to be a bit shaky.

Core: all 0.8.8.5 and 0.8.8.6 changes have been covered over the past few Missives.

Until next week!

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December 09, 2014, 12:10:49 AM
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excellent , thank you!

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December 09, 2014, 12:21:17 AM
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Smart mining reminds me of what smooth wrote months ago (but even better, since no asking, although there should be an option for explicitely deactivate it, for fragile hardware or competing background programs like BOINC):
The vision here is a wallet that asks you when you want to install: "Do you want to devote some of you CPU power to help secure the network. You will be eligible to receive free coins as a reward (recommended)   [check box]." Get millions of users doing that and it will drive down the value of mining to where neither botnets nor professional/industrial miners will bother, and Satoshi's original vision of a true p2p currency will be realized.
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