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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4548637 times)
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December 10, 2014, 04:02:54 PM
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How am I spinning anything?

If CZ wanted a CN coin which is POS instead of POW why wouldn't he switch BBR over to POS?  Poor BBR bagholders.

This doesn't really belong in the XMR thread so this will be the last time I reply to this subject in this thread.

Maybe because it would be a betrayal to just radically change BBR like that.  Many of us don't care for POS coins.    

How does CZ working on another project negatively effect his work on BBR?  Do XMR devs work only on XMR?  No they work on other things to generate an income.  That's what CZ is doing and he's fortunate to be able to work on a project based on BBR code.  He's brought in another developer as well which is something that people have been concerned about.  I see more good than bad but you can spin it anyway you want I suppose.

I can't speak for CZ so I'll quote him instead.


I'll write it only once for all who interested.
There was two ways to survive:

1. Transform BBR to some kind of scam with hard fork (any radical changes gonna be scam, including converting BBR into a PoS, since many people don't like PoS coins) and to seize money from BBR. This would be true betrayal. As you may know, i've decided to not kill this project in that way, since i have a future plans for this project.

2. The second was to work out some other interesting project with the same codebase, to cover live spendings, and to keep BBR as it originally was conceived.

I've chosed second way. Befor new year we going to release new GUI, and next release will be the new wallet mode, that actualy utilize fully anonymouse outputs feature. But still, if someone don't like this my attitude - i don't have time and intention to convince you - feel free to quit.



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PS About Boolberry: In any case Boolbery is my primary project, and since both this projects based on the same code base - it will be win-win for both of this project from technology point of view. ATM scruffy is working on BBR new wallet version since i want to have second developer who familiar with BBR code, so this took more time that i expected, but this is need for project safety, a lot of people were talked about it before in this thread.


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December 10, 2014, 04:21:32 PM
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How am I spinning anything?

You can read all about it in their thread, please don't bring it here.

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December 10, 2014, 05:15:23 PM
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I hope to see you all at the future XMR party when XMR hits $1000
https://forum.monero.cc/14/events/49/1000-usd-monero-party
 

I'll be there!  Grin

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December 10, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
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Many of us don't care for POS coins.
I am a strong proposer of turning Bitcoin into a pure POS coin!  Cool
Seriously, BTC is doomed due to it's ASIC mining monopolys. And some other facts.
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December 10, 2014, 06:10:24 PM
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Many of us don't care for POS coins.
I am a strong proposer of turning Bitcoin into a pure POS coin!  Cool
Seriously, BTC is doomed due to it's ASIC mining monopolys. And some other facts.

I don't think POS solves anything.  POS has plenty of it's own flaws. 
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December 10, 2014, 06:35:21 PM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.  Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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December 10, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
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I think POS would serve a purpose if it was the end result after long periods of POW for distribution. It is to be seen whether miners mining strictly for tx fees will be enough to support the network.
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December 10, 2014, 06:57:49 PM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

When the wallet will support enough features, I have no doubt the darknet community will adopt Monero.
Just wait.
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December 10, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
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Can anyone help me update my monero wallet, it been long since i updated the chain. The keys file is updated last in may 2013. How should i proceed

I had the same issue. This is what I did.

This is in no way an official method but it worked for me.

Make sure you backup your files before you do this.

What I did was use version 8.8.4 to open the keys file.  I copied the .keys file into the directory that had the 8.8.4 daemon and simplewallet.  I then launched the daemon and waited for it to sync.  After it synced I opened the .keys file in simplewallet.  The simplewallet returned "unable to connect to daemon" and there was some red errors in the daemon window and would not sync.  I then typed save in simplewallet and it created a .bin file.  I was then able to open that wallet file in the latest version 8.8.6 and voila! I had access to my coins.



  
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December 10, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
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Great potential for Monero.  Those sort of DNA tests you would want done anonymously, if not it could have dire consequences.  Quite likely that anyone who has one of these tests perfomed today has their DNA stored in some kind of a Database (illegaly) which could have consequences ranging from Health insurance implications to possible criminal charges based on DNA.  We all know how America treats its citizens privacy.

Anonymous cotton swab sent with anonymous XMR payment and an anonymous email address or postal box for results.



Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.

Little off-topic, but what was their "official" justification for banning 23 and me from reporting on your genetic risks? (Other than to keep the U.S. sick-care monster chugging along.)

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December 10, 2014, 07:22:36 PM
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Great potential for Monero.  Those sort of DNA tests you would want done anonymously, if not it could have dire consequences.  Quite likely that anyone who has one of these tests perfomed today has their DNA stored in some kind of a Database (illegaly) which could have consequences ranging from Health insurance implications to possible criminal charges based on DNA.  We all know how America treats its citizens privacy.

Anonymous cotton swab sent with anonymous XMR payment and an anonymous email address or postal box for results.


Mailing some cash would work.

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December 10, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
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I'm not sure how wise sending 1000 dollars cash in the mail is, there is a chance it could go missing in transit.

Great potential for Monero.  Those sort of DNA tests you would want done anonymously, if not it could have dire consequences.  Quite likely that anyone who has one of these tests perfomed today has their DNA stored in some kind of a Database (illegaly) which could have consequences ranging from Health insurance implications to possible criminal charges based on DNA.  We all know how America treats its citizens privacy.

Anonymous cotton swab sent with anonymous XMR payment and an anonymous email address or postal box for results.


Mailing some cash would work.

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December 10, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Lets set up a company in Estonia.

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December 10, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Lets set up a company in Estonia.

As a geneticist, I can tell you this would be difficult to pull off - "interpret your genome" is the crux of the problem here. This is why 23 & me was shut down - there's no consensus on what current consumer-grade genotyping can provide relating to disease. Thats why you can still do 23 & me for "fun" things, like ancestry. Indeed, there's a whole new trade of genetic counseling coming into existence for this exact reason. Say you have a polymorphism that has been associated with parkinsons. What does that mean to you? Well, the SNP is associated with X% of risk.... so........ you have X% greater likelihood of developing the disease.

Sure, it would be easy to set up something where you can just get your hard data and interpret yourself, but we're talking serious scientific frontiers here.

Indeed, this would be something where an encrypted message/key network would be useful. Send monero and DNA to somewhere. Assays performed. Encrypted genomic analysis sent to some server. Encryption key sent to monero address. User enter encryption key to unlock DNA data. Of course, there is a cryptonote cc with encrypted messages out there that I won't mention.

I've been trying to think of something that utilizes the fact that the block chain keeps track of things that are unique. Imagine a way to have digital collectors items. Your an artist, and you want to put out a limited edition... MP3 file. You somehow join the MP3 with a cryptographic something, and create 15 of them (similar to how the algorithm creates coins). Then, there can only be 15 of these MP3's out there on the network. Whether this would mean the wallet would have to also be a media player, I don't know.

I can just imagine some cigar smoking wine twirling upper eschelon type smugly thinking to himself "I'm enjoying this MP3 of which there are only 15 copies in the world." Of course, this would depend on the artist community adhering to a limited edition pressing of their works... and I imagine the artists would be the ones invested in whatever the "mining" component of this network would be.

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December 10, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
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As a geneticist, I can tell you this would be difficult to pull off - "interpret your genome" is the crux of the problem here.

Don't do the hard part.  Do the easy part.  It's incredibly easy to warn people with haplotypes associated with breast cancer risk, for example.  You will save a lot of lives.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.  Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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December 10, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
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I can just imagine some cigar smoking wine twirling upper eschelon type smugly thinking to himself "I'm enjoying this MP3 of which there are only 15 copies in the world."

lol.. guess who?  Grin
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December 10, 2014, 09:26:48 PM
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GingerAle what is a current price for a full human genome? 15 years ago it was a mega project but i assume that now it is commercially viable. Or am i mistaken?


btw something like this, where anonymity is generally favorable, could also one day accept monero:
https://www.ecstasydata.org/send_sample.php
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December 10, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
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As a geneticist, I can tell you this would be difficult to pull off - "interpret your genome" is the crux of the problem here.

Don't do the hard part.  Do the easy part.  It's incredibly easy to warn people with haplotypes associated with breast cancer risk, for example.  You will save a lot of lives.


Indeed.... warn them.... then what will they do? Not to spiral the monero thread into genetic medicine ethics, but yeah.... what? Increased screenings? Don't smoke? Eat healthier? One of the buzzwords in the field is "actionable". How actionable are the results of genetic testing? If they tell you that you have an increased risk, but there's nothing you can do, then all you've done is stress out the individual about something they can't do a damned thing about.

I'm really playing devils advocate here - I'm pro information when it comes to genetic testing, but I get the other side of the monero as well.

(oh the puns)

And I'll admit I'm not up to speed on breast cancer therapeutics.

But back to finding an application of a nascent private cryptocurrency....

not that I'm a fan of tax evasion, but transferring money to tax havens?

GingerAle what is a current price for a full human genome? 15 years ago it was a mega project but i assume that now it is commercially viable. Or am i mistaken?


btw something like this, where anonymity is generally favorable, could also one day accept monero:
https://www.ecstasydata.org/send_sample.php

It depends on the coverage... i.e., how strong you want the data to be. But the number thrown around is around $5k, steadily decreasing. And mind you, this is for sequencing the entire genome.

But SNP chips (what 23&me is) is around 100$.

Good idea on the ecstasydata.org .... I wonder if erowid accepts donations in monero?

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December 10, 2014, 11:06:36 PM
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FYI it was just confirmed in the Poloniex trollbox that the withdrawal fee for XMR will remain unchanged at 0.1

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December 11, 2014, 01:46:50 AM
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once wallet and api extensions are fully matured pharma industry will indeed present explosive future for monero... drug market that really works, saves money and yet cheap is always going to be banned under pretext of cooked up "unknown risks" and fda will follow whatever pharmas tell them to do... anyway this is old news for most of us but here's another confirmation how shadier fda and big pharmas are becoming...

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/12/08/how-doctors-prescribing-meds-based-on-drug-company-payoffs-is-further-evidence-of-systemic-failure/


and this is how big pharma mafia works to crush alternatives...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545360/Pharmaceutical-chief-tries-stop-India-replicating-cancer-treatment.html

so now imagine if you're in a country with FDA like regime and be able to order cheap drugs from India or Thailand using monero... someone could start this venture easily in thailand since startup costs are extremely cheap over there and a lot of expats moved to thailand for reasons like that, in fact some of them are making good money exporting pharmaceuticals... not familiar with india but thailand is very open to foreigners who would like to start a business...

Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Someone should really make a monero based drug market

When the wallet will support enough features, I have no doubt the darknet community will adopt Monero.
Just wait.

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