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December 11, 2014, 01:49:28 AM
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Inflation is a serious issue, I am afraid it may kill XMR
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December 11, 2014, 01:50:12 AM
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How am I spinning anything?

You can read all about it in their thread, please don't bring it here.

ZOMG TacoTime is working on another coin - MOENARO IS DOOMT!!!11!!1



ZOMG Sunny King is working on another coin - PEERCONE IS DOOMT ALLSO!!!11!!1


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"Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect."  Adam Back 2014
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Is Dash a scam?
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December 11, 2014, 01:53:34 AM
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How am I spinning anything?

You can read all about it in their thread, please don't bring it here.

ZOMG TacoTime is working on another coin - MOENARO IS DOOMT!!!11!!1



ZOMG Sunny King is working on another coin - PEERCONE IS DOOMT ALLSO!!!11!!1


David Latapie works on HYP

I patched AEON.

Satoshi created Bytecoin (just kidding).

Nothing to see here.

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December 11, 2014, 01:54:17 AM
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Inflation is a serious issue, I am afraid it may kill XMR

Sure, but what doesn't kill XMR makes it stronger.

We must navigate between Scylla and Charybda to reach the BTC/AU Parity Parties at Monero Manor.

/antifragile


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December 11, 2014, 04:59:50 AM
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I've been trying to think of something that utilizes the fact that the block chain keeps track of things that are unique. Imagine a way to have digital collectors items. Your an artist, and you want to put out a limited edition... MP3 file. You somehow join the MP3 with a cryptographic something, and create 15 of them (similar to how the algorithm creates coins). Then, there can only be 15 of these MP3's out there on the network. Whether this would mean the wallet would have to also be a media player, I don't know.

I can just imagine some cigar smoking wine twirling upper eschelon type smugly thinking to himself "I'm enjoying this MP3 of which there are only 15 copies in the world." Of course, this would depend on the artist community adhering to a limited edition pressing of their works... and I imagine the artists would be the ones invested in whatever the "mining" component of this network would be.
Okay, the (oh the puns) first: "Monero GUI development would be way to slow for keeping a media player up to date"  Grin

Back on track: Coins exist where the wallet has an inbuilt messenger or phone call App or video conferencing subsystem. Since "sex sells" the later has a market nieche for pron live cams. However, so far, they never do well, just from current observation. Somehow dont get the consumer acceptance inside the crypto realm.
My suggestion is a coin should do one thing, and that only, and in perfection, and with simplicity. And now I get a migraine because of having to start simplewallet for a transfer  Undecided
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December 11, 2014, 10:01:25 AM
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please buy more
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December 11, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
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I've tried everything.  These are old wallets from way back before last summer.  I don't remember how much exactly is in them but I think one has 1000 XMR.   Can a wallet be to old to open? 

I think you need to rebuild from keys file using an older version of binary, maybe 0.8.8.4, and then it should work on newer versions as well. Either that or wait for next release, this wallet formatting issue is being addressed now in #monero-dev, and should be corrected in next release.

That's exactly what I did and it worked.

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December 11, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Lets set up a company in Estonia.

As a geneticist, I can tell you this would be difficult to pull off - "interpret your genome" is the crux of the problem here. This is why 23 & me was shut down - there's no consensus on what current consumer-grade genotyping can provide relating to disease. Thats why you can still do 23 & me for "fun" things, like ancestry. Indeed, there's a whole new trade of genetic counseling coming into existence for this exact reason. Say you have a polymorphism that has been associated with parkinsons. What does that mean to you? Well, the SNP is associated with X% of risk.... so........ you have X% greater likelihood of developing the disease.

Sure, it would be easy to set up something where you can just get your hard data and interpret yourself, but we're talking serious scientific frontiers here.

Indeed, this would be something where an encrypted message/key network would be useful. Send monero and DNA to somewhere. Assays performed. Encrypted genomic analysis sent to some server. Encryption key sent to monero address. User enter encryption key to unlock DNA data. Of course, there is a cryptonote cc with encrypted messages out there that I won't mention.

I've been trying to think of something that utilizes the fact that the block chain keeps track of things that are unique. Imagine a way to have digital collectors items. Your an artist, and you want to put out a limited edition... MP3 file. You somehow join the MP3 with a cryptographic something, and create 15 of them (similar to how the algorithm creates coins). Then, there can only be 15 of these MP3's out there on the network. Whether this would mean the wallet would have to also be a media player, I don't know.

I can just imagine some cigar smoking wine twirling upper eschelon type smugly thinking to himself "I'm enjoying this MP3 of which there are only 15 copies in the world." Of course, this would depend on the artist community adhering to a limited edition pressing of their works... and I imagine the artists would be the ones invested in whatever the "mining" component of this network would be.

Unicity of tokens is only enforced within the blockchain. Outside of it, in the rest of the digital realm, replication of information is free. So your unique MP3 idea is not feasible.
Which is positive in my opinion, what you describe is like a super-DRM.
 

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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December 11, 2014, 10:40:56 AM
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Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Lets set up a company in Estonia.

As a geneticist, I can tell you this would be difficult to pull off - "interpret your genome" is the crux of the problem here. This is why 23 & me was shut down - there's no consensus on what current consumer-grade genotyping can provide relating to disease. Thats why you can still do 23 & me for "fun" things, like ancestry. Indeed, there's a whole new trade of genetic counseling coming into existence for this exact reason. Say you have a polymorphism that has been associated with parkinsons. What does that mean to you? Well, the SNP is associated with X% of risk.... so........ you have X% greater likelihood of developing the disease.

Sure, it would be easy to set up something where you can just get your hard data and interpret yourself, but we're talking serious scientific frontiers here.

Indeed, this would be something where an encrypted message/key network would be useful. Send monero and DNA to somewhere. Assays performed. Encrypted genomic analysis sent to some server. Encryption key sent to monero address. User enter encryption key to unlock DNA data. Of course, there is a cryptonote cc with encrypted messages out there that I won't mention.

I've been trying to think of something that utilizes the fact that the block chain keeps track of things that are unique. Imagine a way to have digital collectors items. Your an artist, and you want to put out a limited edition... MP3 file. You somehow join the MP3 with a cryptographic something, and create 15 of them (similar to how the algorithm creates coins). Then, there can only be 15 of these MP3's out there on the network. Whether this would mean the wallet would have to also be a media player, I don't know.

I can just imagine some cigar smoking wine twirling upper eschelon type smugly thinking to himself "I'm enjoying this MP3 of which there are only 15 copies in the world." Of course, this would depend on the artist community adhering to a limited edition pressing of their works... and I imagine the artists would be the ones invested in whatever the "mining" component of this network would be.

Unicity of tokens is only enforced within the blockchain. Outside of it, in the rest of the digital realm, replication of information is free. So your unique MP3 idea is not feasible.
Which is positive in my opinion, what you describe is like a super-DRM.
 
why do you think the future is positive?
all the thoughts the dev described are beaten by facts and other dev such as stellar ,ripple and xcp .come back to reality.
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December 11, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
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Poloniex went dead for me a few minutes ago. There is nothing on their twitter feed. Anyone know anything?
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December 11, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
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Poloniex went dead for me a few minutes ago. There is nothing on their twitter feed. Anyone know anything?
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December 11, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
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Some things being back, like my usage of the ignore button, are usually a good sign.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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December 11, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
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All that being said, I have bought a LOT
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December 11, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
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Inflation is a serious issue, I am afraid it may kill XMR

We've designed Monero to be slightly inflationary and not deflationary (see OP).

A massive increase in Monero's value will not come from us tweaking magical numbers to create fake scarcity so that "investors" are artificially rewarded. It will come from Monero being useful and usable (in time) to an ever larger potential number of users (which right now it isn't, the barrier to entry is still high from a technical perspective) and there being services built around Monero or that accept Monero with whom privacy is an essential aspect (and there are many use-cases for this beyond the Silk Road...what about a younger person who wants to pay for access to a dating site without his parents knowing his sexual orientation from the credit card bill?)

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December 11, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
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Inflation is a serious issue, I am afraid it may kill XMR

We've designed Monero to be slightly inflationary and not deflationary (see OP).

A massive increase in Monero's value will not come from us tweaking magical numbers to create fake scarcity so that "investors" are artificially rewarded. It will come from Monero being useful and usable (in time) to an ever larger potential number of users (which right now it isn't, the barrier to entry is still high from a technical perspective) and there being services built around Monero or that accept Monero with whom privacy is an essential aspect (and there are many use-cases for this beyond the Silk Road...what about a younger person who wants to pay for access to a dating site without his parents knowing his sexual orientation from the credit card bill?)

A dating site is just one of huge number of projects that can be done for Monero usage.

- VPN
- web hosting
- domain names
- porn? (why not - everyone likes a bit of it and everyone likes privacy)

and so on ... only those I mentioned are a large spectrum of wide web of the world.

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December 11, 2014, 03:07:07 PM
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talking about markets and monero - is anybody working on multisigs? can somebody say some words about this?
that is a crucial thing to have with a proper wallet (and i2p integration).
multisigs might make a big difference, new p2p markets are starting and this is a must have feature
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December 11, 2014, 03:31:33 PM
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talking about markets and monero - is anybody working on multisigs? can somebody say some words about this?
that is a crucial thing to have with a proper wallet (and i2p integration).
multisigs might make a big difference, new p2p markets are starting and this is a must have feature


The Monero Research Lab is working through the academic and research portion of this. There's literally no point in implementing multisig without full ring signature support, and so this requires some careful thought to get it right (cryptographically speaking). Just like with everything we do that is integral and deeply tied into Monero, we have to apply the appropriate amount of care, as people's lives and their livelihood can depend on it later on.

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December 11, 2014, 04:58:13 PM
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I'm not usually interested in altcoins myself, but I can see how people can enjoy them. Most altcoin "investing" is a lot like gambling. I can see how trying to navigate and manipulate these tiny markets could be fun for a lot of people. These pump-and-dump altcoins aren't really competitors to Bitcoin: they're really a way of using your bitcoins to gamble. There are also a handful of technologically interesting altcoins like Monero, which I think are very useful for testing new ideas that might one day be incorporated into Bitcoin.

Even theymos finds Monero interesting Tongue
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December 11, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
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I'm not usually interested in altcoins myself, but I can see how people can enjoy them. Most altcoin "investing" is a lot like gambling. I can see how trying to navigate and manipulate these tiny markets could be fun for a lot of people. These pump-and-dump altcoins aren't really competitors to Bitcoin: they're really a way of using your bitcoins to gamble. There are also a handful of technologically interesting altcoins like Monero, which I think are very useful for testing new ideas that might one day be incorporated into Bitcoin.

Even theymos finds Monero interesting Tongue

Nice. Just wait until we can start marketing this next year.  Grin
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Someone needs to update the blockchain download in the OP, the current one is something like 90 days behind.

Edit: The windows one, haven't checked the others.
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