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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4548637 times)
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December 07, 2014, 02:43:51 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It can be implemented as side-chains.
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December 07, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
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Chains?   Smiley



hat an idiot W
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December 07, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said,its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It would be pretty funny if it were the case that little of Satoshi's jumbled code remained today.

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December 07, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
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I have a couple of nice, short (xmr.) domains.
Would like the idea to use them. I don't need to earn, just to make something that can be good for this coin.
So, domain + hosting = I have. Idea = I don't and would like suggestion(s).
I am good in php and SQL. OK with javascript too.
I know it's not much of knowledge, but that I can offer.

we badly need some explorer, chainradar is out there but there used to be a better one called monerochain.info and it disappeared a few months ago.

something nice with charts and stats like transactions per day, hash, difficulty, etc.

May I get the output code please?

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December 07, 2014, 05:02:41 PM
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This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).
Code is technology. Err you got that memo stating "technology evolves" ?
(smallprint I am allowed to troll, too)

In risk of infuriating the orthodox bitcoin believers front I want to point onto that next hardfork of Bitcoin where they change the code to increase blocksize. Arguable that is the smallest possible change doable, and merely meant to allow more transactions carried out through the network in between a ten minute timespan. More throughput.

Until the next hardfork following up afterwards the Orthodox Church of Bitcoin might have settled between all Popes to migrate over onto POS, dropping POW mining entirely. But implementing CN I have not heard even rumors  Cool
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December 07, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It can be implemented as side-chains.

fine, you stick with bitcoin with possible side-chain in the future and I stash xmr now Tongue
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December 07, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
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I made a very simple Windows miner for noobs :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613072.msg9758820#msg9758820

You don't need to know anything, you basically click on a button.
It is for CPU + NVIDIA GPU only at the moment.

There is no virus but a false positive (minerd + ccminer). You must add an exception in your antivirus.


same performance as the standard one? 270 khs(one 750ti), if i remember correclty
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December 07, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?
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December 07, 2014, 06:28:27 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?

no
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December 07, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
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WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
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December 07, 2014, 06:31:11 PM
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WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
Good for Network but just if Miners dont dump  Undecided

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December 07, 2014, 06:36:12 PM
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Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
Good for Network but just if Miners dont dump  Undecided

I think Miners dont dump , but Botnet Miners dump
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December 07, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
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Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?
The team could move quicker than the user base. Which would prep up the gallows, if anyone dares to evolve the code base further. Have that feeling some coin has run stuck.
Just the laws in the technology wilderness are: Evolve, or perish. Cannot help it, that's the law of the tech jungle.
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December 07, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
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Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.

This is exactly what we are doing with Monero.

Greg gets privacy. He's the inventor of coinjoin and definitely wants to make Bitcoin more private. But I also think he is swimming against the tide with wanting to turn Bitcoin in to a more private system at its foundation and then implement transparency on top of that. That is a almost a redesign from the inside out. It is one thing to write papers, but it actually making it happen in the real world is something else. The political and practical obstacles are enormous, and not clearly any less challenging our task of building out Monero and layering transparency on top of it.



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December 07, 2014, 07:37:47 PM
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?

That topic was discussed in the comments:

Quote from: andytoshi
The paper will describe some new cryptographic primitives which could be used in a blockchain to avoid explicit linkage between transactions. It certainly does not describe or advocate how to implement such things in Bitcoin. Indeed, this would dramatically change the efficiency and privacy properties of Bitcoin in ways that would be unacceptable to many existing users.

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Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/
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December 07, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
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Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.
The political and practical obstacles are enormous, and not clearly more challenging our task of building out Monero and layering transparency on top of it.


This is interesting.. has there been any talk of implementing transparency layers, and their potential function?
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December 07, 2014, 07:43:17 PM
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Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.
The political and practical obstacles are enormous, and not clearly more challenging our task of building out Monero and layering transparency on top of it.


This is interesting.. has there been any talk of implementing transparency layers, and their potential function?

Yes there has been. Some of it is right in the original whitepaper, in terms of view keys and auditable addresses. We have also considered other methods of allowing for transparency on specific transactions. People want to be able to selectively prove payments on demand and generally open up to transparency in a controlled manner, without everything being linkable and traceable to the rest of their transactions.

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December 07, 2014, 08:07:11 PM
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I've got a problem trying to run 0.8.8.5 on OSX (10.10.1)...

Code:
dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libevent-2.0.5.dylib

I've tried updating libevent but the most recent version I can find is 2.0.21 - any ideas?

EDIT:
I tried brew unlink libevent && brew link libevent. Now I get a completely different error when I try to launch bitmonerod.

Code:
Illegal instruction: 4


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December 07, 2014, 08:30:31 PM
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WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
Good for Network but just if Miners dont dump  Undecided

I think Miners dont dump , but Botnet Miners dump

dump doesnt matter now because xmr is becoming like bitcoin, a long period of low price is good for legitimacy of the coin if it ever reaches a lot higher in the future no one will be able to say that didn't bought xmr because it was too expensive, they can only say they didnt heard about monero or didnt believe on it.
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December 07, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
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I've got a problem trying to run 0.8.8.5 on OSX (10.10.1)...

Code:
dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libevent-2.0.5.dylib

I've tried updating libevent but the most recent version I can find is 2.0.21 - any ideas?

EDIT:
I tried brew unlink libevent && brew link libevent. Now I get a completely different error when I try to launch bitmonerod.

Code:
Illegal instruction: 4



I can't help but I did get mine working on OSX 10.10.1 using Homebrew. I ran into a bit more trouble than usual. Did you run brew doctor? It advised me to link libevent and zeromq. I also had to brew install makedepend. During the build process I was seeing errors from curl, about certificate problems. But it seems to be working now. 
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