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February 19, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
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Personally I have no need for such a high mixin count on Poloniex. Why should I pay extra for increased privacy that I don't need?
If I send XMR to myself via simplewallet I can choose mixin count. Seems logical that Poloniex would allow me to as well.
At least lower it, 3 seems a bit high.


AFAIK if there are many transactions with a high mixin the overall anon of xmr rises.

Yes I understand that.
But it's voluntary to contribute to this added "anon" right? Otherwise what would be the point in allowing people to set mixin 0 in simplewallet?

Maybe Poloniex could allow people to lower it but having a minimum mixin of 1? That would be a good compromise.

i see your point, but: no, withdraws from an exchange is not voluntary. remember: you only on coins if you own the privkeys?

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February 19, 2015, 09:03:45 PM
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i see your point, but: no, withdraws from an exchange is not voluntary. remember: you only on coins if you own the privkeys?

Yeah you are right about that. Poloniex can do whatever they want. But it would good for business if they implemented an option where you could change the mixin count.
Otherwise they might lose customers.

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February 19, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
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i see your point, but: no, withdraws from an exchange is not voluntary. remember: you only on coins if you own the privkeys?

Yeah you are right about that. Poloniex can do whatever they want. But it would good for business if they implemented an option where you could change the mixin count.
Otherwise they might lose customers.


When everyone was given the option to chose their mix-in, most were using the lowest which was dragging the anonymity of everyone, so I'm happy with decision. AFAIK the devs asked them to change it and the gui is being set with a similar base setting. Somone please correct me if I am mistaken; I like having the facts set correctly in my mind.

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February 19, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
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All of these mixin/anonymity issues are discussed in MRL-0001 but the math might be a bit much if you aren't so inclined. The tldr is that mixin=0 and mixin=1 cause problems with anonymity on the network (not just for that particular transaction), are discouraged, and will eventually be prohibited (except under very narrow conditions to ensure that coins can't become unspendable).
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February 19, 2015, 09:57:02 PM
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mixin=0 and mixin=1 cause problems with anonymity on the network (not just for that particular transaction), are discouraged, and will eventually be prohibited

Is that 0 and 1 in chainradar terms ? That is, mixin 0 (no signatures from outputs you're not actually spending) in simplewallet terms would still be accepted ?

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February 19, 2015, 09:59:34 PM
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mixin=0 and mixin=1 cause problems with anonymity on the network (not just for that particular transaction), are discouraged, and will eventually be prohibited

Is that 0 and 1 in chainradar terms ? That is, mixin 0 (no signatures from outputs you're not actually spending) in simplewallet terms would still be accepted ?

chainradar uses 1 and 2 for what simplwallet calls 0 and 1. I'm using the simplewallet terminology.

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February 19, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
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mixin=0 and mixin=1 cause problems with anonymity on the network (not just for that particular transaction), are discouraged, and will eventually be prohibited

Is that 0 and 1 in chainradar terms ? That is, mixin 0 (no signatures from outputs you're not actually spending) in simplewallet terms would still be accepted ?

chainradar uses 1 and 2 for what simplwallet calls 0 and 1. I'm using the simplewallet terminology.



Chainradar needs to cut that out.
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February 19, 2015, 10:02:33 PM
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What would be great is a "send btc using xmr.to" option in mymonero.
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February 19, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
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Before the long term solution explained by smooth is deployed, we could find a shorter term one. Currently the reason for people to choose mixin less than 3 is that it's cheaper. What if it was not? Fees in that case would be based on kb, but also on the fact that it's a little privacy cost to everyone.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 19, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
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Coming from someone that has way more Monero than the 20 btc necessary to drop the order book 50% and keep it there, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.

You guys collectively barely have enough bitcoin to buy Monero at firesale prices if I chose to do that, the auto dumping miners would simply hop in front of the remaining parts of my gigantic sell order at .0005btc and keep this downtrend going, while somebody makes an off hand comment about emission schedule

And lets not forget about the upside, anybody want to form a syndicate and get the price back up with a stabilizing bid? PM me

Its about 200k xmr to 0.0005. Feel free to dump at any Time.

Please dump, so i can buy at that price. Grin

noooo this uptrend makes me feel good  Cheesy

Same, uptrend is making me feel good as well since my BTC is gone and i cannot accumulate any more, I might sell a tiny bit XMR on spikes and buy back cheaper.
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February 19, 2015, 10:09:24 PM
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chainradar uses 1 and 2 for what simplwallet calls 0 and 1. I'm using the simplewallet terminology.

I thought mixin 0 was deemed a good thing to have, for transactions that one wants to be unambiguous in terms of inputs used. Was that wrong then, or is it just deemed not worth the drawbacks ?
How would non ambiguous txes be done then ? Supply the one time key to whoever you want to see it ?

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February 19, 2015, 10:17:31 PM
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Before the long term solution explained by smooth is deployed, we could find a shorter term one. Currently the reason for people to choose mixin less than 3 is that it's cheaper. What if it was not? Fees in that case would be based on kb, but also on the fact that it's a little privacy cost to everyone.

We had that before with fixed fees, and people wanted variable to reduce fees on small transactions. Yes there could be a discount for higher mixing on the same size but let's be realistic about diminishing returns to adding too many short-term patches. Our plan for the most part is to focus on developing the best anonymity improvements for longer term.
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February 19, 2015, 10:27:08 PM
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chainradar uses 1 and 2 for what simplwallet calls 0 and 1. I'm using the simplewallet terminology.

I thought mixin 0 was deemed a good thing to have, for transactions that one wants to be unambiguous in terms of inputs used. Was that wrong then, or is it just deemed not worth the drawbacks ?
How would non ambiguous txes be done then ? Supply the one time key to whoever you want to see it ?

You can supply the one time key or you can sign a message using a one time key. The former would then allow others to sign messages, which might or might not be desirable. There are other ways of doing auditing too. We'll lay all this out in greater detail in the future.


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February 20, 2015, 12:07:42 AM
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I just checked Poloniex and the withdrawal fee is listed as 0.2 XMR

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February 20, 2015, 03:03:19 AM
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Same, uptrend is making me feel good as well since my BTC is gone and i cannot accumulate any more, I might sell a tiny bit XMR on spikes and buy back cheaper.

I'm not trusting my XMR on any exchange. Even though Polo is my most trusted. Tongue

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February 20, 2015, 03:58:20 AM
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Same, uptrend is making me feel good as well since my BTC is gone and i cannot accumulate any more, I might sell a tiny bit XMR on spikes and buy back cheaper.

I'm not trusting my XMR on any exchange. Even though Polo is my most trusted. Tongue

Recently, I was considering putting a bunch of XMR on BTER  to establish another market with decent liquidity.

I also traded on mtgox when it was the only exchange.

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February 20, 2015, 04:02:00 AM
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I've gotten lucky quite a few times in this crypto-game. I try to remember that whenever I'm unlucky.

bitcoin wealth stolen from me: 80% of all i ever had... luckily the price has gone up 100% from my baseprice - so i didnt loose. but kinda frustrating.... biggest reason why i always have fear if i send fiat to an exchange and dont do it as regular as in the beginning.

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February 20, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
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Monero's 1 year birthday is approaching on April 18, 2015. How do you guys want to celebrate?

Party at the castle.

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February 20, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
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Monero's 1 year birthday is approaching on April 18, 2015. How do you guys want to celebrate?

Party at the castle.

I'll be bringing a box of Cohiba torpedo's, been waiting for a special occasion to open it...  So, where's the castle at ? Smiley
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February 20, 2015, 11:31:13 AM
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Monero's 1 year birthday is approaching on April 18, 2015. How do you guys want to celebrate?

Party at the castle.

I'll be bringing a box of Cohiba torpedo's, been waiting for a special occasion to open it...  So, where's the castle at ? Smiley

A google search for "bitcoin castle" will show you quite well where's that, just.. you may need an invitation to actually get in there  Grin

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